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Steyn
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posted September 23, 2014 10:18 AM |
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For my line-up it would be 2 orcs (normal melee one + shaman), 2 semi orcs (goblin + cyclops), 3 beastmen (harpy, gnoll and centaur) and 1 beast (wyvern). Seems pretty balanced to me, but maybe one beastman can be replaced by a beast, for example a sand shark.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted September 23, 2014 02:37 PM |
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Dave_Jame said:
RMZ1989 said:
Problem is that Stronghold can't live without Goblins. 
I mean they really need core ranged unit, especially now with the new 3-tiers unit system. So my guess is:
Core:
- Core Gnoll/Core Orc
- Desert Harpy
- Goblin
Elite:
- Dreamwalker
- Centaur
- Elite Orc/Elite Gnoll (depending on what they would chose as core unit)
Champion:
- Cyclops
- Behemoth
RMZ if I uderstood you. if Goblins were chosen. you wuld have a Orc faction with only 1 orc, Two semi orcs. 4 beastman and one Beast?
My purposal (With some DoC art as backup
Core:
- Gnoll/JackalMan As range unit
- Desert Harpy
- Orc Brutes
Elite:
- Shaman
- Centaur
- Elite Orc or Wyvern rider
Champion:
- Cyclops
- Behemoth
I don't see the problem with Orc numbers in my lineup. Shamans/Dreamwalkers are Orcs, as are Elite Orcs that I would choose. Goblins and Cyclops are failed experiments, but they still belong to Orcs, so yeah semi-Orcs if you like.
Your lineup would only have 1 Orc more than mine, even if that, because I wouldn't exactly consider Wyvern rider as an Orc. Unlike usual riders(riding Horses/Wolves/Whatever), the highlighted unit here is the Wyvern, not the Orc riding on it. Wyvern could be the same tier and power even without Orc on its back and he is what is so special about the unit, having regeneration, poison attack or whatever they want.
So, my lineup has 2 Orcs, 2 Semi-Orcs, while your has 3 Orcs and 1 Semi-Orc?
Bid deal...
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Stormcaller
Famous Hero
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posted September 23, 2014 02:44 PM |
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I just hope we don't see Jaguar warriors anymore, good god those were horrible. Orc boxers lol.
I also would want an Ogre/Ogre Magi instead of Shaman/Dreamwalker. I know they're essentially the same but still I feel like Ogres would look more brutal.
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RMZ1989
Supreme Hero
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posted September 23, 2014 03:14 PM |
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Stormcaller said:
I just hope we don't see Jaguar warriors anymore, good god those were horrible. Orc boxers lol.
I also would want an Ogre/Ogre Magi instead of Shaman/Dreamwalker. I know they're essentially the same but still I feel like Ogres would look more brutal.
I don't think that we can see them, as they were Orcs from Ranaar, while these are Desert(Sahaar) Orcs.
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Kwarc
Adventuring Hero
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posted September 23, 2014 06:44 PM |
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Edited by Kwarc at 18:49, 23 Sep 2014.
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RMZ1989 said:
Problem is that Stronghold can't live without Goblins. [/qoute]
But there will be Goblins... as elephant riders 
RMZ1989 said:
I mean they really need core ranged unit, especially now with the new 3-tiers unit system.[/qoute]
Gnoll can be ranged unit, imagine him like Saahar Skirmisher.
RMZ1989 said:
I wouldn't put Oliphants in their army because I think that they would be pretty dull
I don't think so. New creature cannot be boring
RMZ1989 said:
Goblins definitely can't ride them because Oliphants are huge. In DoC you have Cyclop hero Acamas that is riding an Oliphant.
Size matters not. Oliphaunts are just bigger elephants and people rode them:
Or if you prefer fantasy:
I think a platform with Goblin archer/riders would be nice
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DarkLord
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posted September 23, 2014 09:19 PM |
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what about Troll as elite for stronghold,
with heavy damage and constant regeneration?
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Stormcaller
Famous Hero
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posted September 23, 2014 09:21 PM |
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Hm, that art is cool, but i think trolls would fit more as elites. Besides, Wywerns have regeneration now.
I want Behemots back and their defense shredding ability. Would work perfect against defense heavy factions like Haven.
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EPICUSDOOMICUS
Known Hero
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posted September 23, 2014 09:46 PM |
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 Stormcaller.
I bet there are legions of us Behemoth lovers out there
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Storm-Giant
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posted September 23, 2014 11:44 PM |
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Trolls could be nice, but I always found regeneration alone 'weak'. They would need something more...special 
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Stormcaller
Famous Hero
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posted September 23, 2014 11:51 PM |
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I would love to see Ogres and Trolls in Stronghold. I know people want beasts as well, but remember this is an orkoid faction.
so something like this could work
Core:
1. Goblins
2. Crushers
3. Harpies ( fine, ill' go with it )
Elite:
1. Trolls ( Tank unit, greately reduces damage taken from physical attacks, however receives increased magical damage )
2. Ogre Magi - Damage dealer + some supportish blood magic.
3. Centaurs- Orc shooters
Champion:
Cyclops or Behemoths
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DarkLord
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posted September 26, 2014 05:59 PM |
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Storm-Giant
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posted September 26, 2014 06:06 PM |
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I've never seen the ciclops gif before, lol 
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cleglaw
Famous Hero
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posted September 26, 2014 06:38 PM |
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Edited by cleglaw at 18:44, 26 Sep 2014.
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im so stupid 
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Storm-Giant
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posted September 26, 2014 06:40 PM |
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted September 27, 2014 09:47 AM |
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I really don't know what I want or expect for these new desert orcs, but I do have a couple of hopes.
1) More or less already confirmed: the units I actually care about - the Centaur and the Cyclops - are shown to be in... and Harpy is a bit of a no-brainer. Other than that, only thing on my roster wishlist is Champion-tier Wyvern/Paokai.
2) I'm hoping they don't go super-duper Bedouin with the aesthetic. The card game art... not really my thing. Simultaneously too stereotypical in the aesthetic and too unfitting for orcs IMO. I'm actually hoping for something a lot closer to the H3 Stronghold, at least in city aesthetic.
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Stormcaller
Famous Hero
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posted September 27, 2014 03:51 PM |
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Wyverns would be horrible as champions in my opinion. It would be essentially another flying champion ( like tons of dragons ) so it's a no-no for me.
Leave Wyverin as a elite unit where it belongs. And bring Behemoths back.
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EPICUSDOOMICUS
Known Hero
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posted September 27, 2014 10:33 PM |
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(...)And bring Behemoths back.
At all costs, man, amen to that!!!!!
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted September 27, 2014 10:44 PM |
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Stormcaller said:
Wyverns would be horrible as champions in my opinion. It would be essentially another flying champion ( like tons of dragons ) so it's a no-no for me.
Leave Wyverin as a elite unit where it belongs. And bring Behemoths back.
My concern is that there WON'T be enough dragons. I mean, before the Darkness expansion, H6 had all of ONE type of dragon, and it wasn't even the traditional European type. Thus far with H7, the only dragon slated thus far is the Green Dragon, and everyone is asserting that it won't be a flying type. A major part of the reason I advocate the inclusion of Fortress is because I want THIS:
Bottom line, I do not want the only "flying dragon" creature to be a Necropolis bone/ghost dragon. If that means we need to include Wyverns/Paokai (hey, they're close enough) in any capacity, then so be it.
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Stormcaller
Famous Hero
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posted September 28, 2014 01:55 AM |
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Why Wyverin when we could have epic Behemoths? Somehow a flying unit being a Stronghold's champion wouldn't feel right.
Orcs' main theme is strength and power, and wyverin for all it's potency and what not does not embodies that ideal. Cyclops do, and so do Behemoths.
Wyverin should stay an Elite unit.
ps: Yeah, that would be an epic lava/magma dragon for the dwarves.
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Kimarous
Supreme Hero
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posted September 28, 2014 03:49 AM |
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I wasn't really a fan of Behemoths in H3, but I keep seeing mention and images of them over and over and over and over... are you guys trying to hypnotize me into liking them?
...'cause I think it's starting to work. 
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