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jhb
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posted November 04, 2014 09:55 PM |
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Edited by jhb at 21:56, 04 Nov 2014.
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Stormcaller said:
I just told my friend to vote for shield and its back up to 32% xD
Cmon we can do this!
You must have an army of friends lol
About the Medusa art, I was expecting something a bit less humanoid and more monster like.
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xerox
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posted November 04, 2014 09:55 PM |
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Kimarous said:
xerox said:
faces of malassa is the best
blades is terrible, to many generics dark elfs
shield makes dungeon a defensive faction, which I don't want
I wish the boring Stalker in Faces was replced by a beholder though...
also disappointed we have H6 style black dragons
1) Debatable. I disagree.
2) It has exactly as many dark elves as Faces: 2.
3) Don't fall into the trap of believing the arbitrary labels.
4) (Never mind; I misread your comment)
5) That isn't the final art; hopefully, at worst, concept will be similar but the execution will be a lot better.
2. yeah but the dark elf in blades has strike and return which is annoying + faceless already has that. I think the main strength in shield is that theres only one dark elf but its the boring crossbowman instead of the cool assassin
5. but the description describes the h6 alteration
hydra looks amazing tho
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Stormcaller
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posted November 04, 2014 09:55 PM |
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Worst line-up? Thanks, but i prefer classical dungeon with some other units but boring " dark " elves.
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Stevie
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posted November 04, 2014 09:58 PM |
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meroe said:
Lots of cheat voting going on now. I really don't think a defensive Dungeon's is the way to go. Too plodding and boring - and safe. Looks like we are going to end up with a real mess.
Don't worry, there's gonna be a vote recount before the official results are posted. Cheat votes are gonna get removed.
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xerox
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posted November 04, 2014 09:58 PM |
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also i like medusa better than manticore
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meroe
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posted November 04, 2014 09:58 PM |
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GenyaArikado said:
anyway if faces gets kicked out im voting blades
This is exactly what will end up happening.
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Fauch
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posted November 04, 2014 10:02 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 22:08, 04 Nov 2014.
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that's what's great about voting. you know that at the end the worst possible choice will win 
so they can put medusa, trog and manticore in DLCs, and moreover say : you voted for it guys
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What you guys think if we could switch Minotaurs for Striders in Blade? I think it would be awesome - Faceless and Striders in one army with all thoose offensive options, hit and run and so on. Ubisoft please hear me.
yay! because, seriously, who wants minotaurs? ...
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GenyaArikado
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posted November 04, 2014 10:13 PM |
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Stormcaller said:
Worst line-up? Thanks, but i prefer classical dungeon with some other units but boring " dark " elves.
"classic dungeon" one snowing game, two at best if you count h4 (and trogs and beholders werent actually in the town and manticores werent even)
You could make a better case with a dungeon lineup with snowing centaurs.
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War-overlord
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posted November 04, 2014 10:14 PM |
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Whoah, I go to one meeting and the board is nearly balanced?
This is getting surreal.
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Stevie
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posted November 04, 2014 10:15 PM |
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Gonna get even more surreal after the Recounthammer.
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War-overlord
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posted November 04, 2014 10:21 PM |
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Stevie said:
Gonna get even more surreal after the Recounthammer.
I dunno, everytime I go away and am not able to check on the vote, it does well for Shield. I've made no secret of my preference for that. So, see y'all friday, I'm gonna book a trip to the middle of nowhere.
In all seriousness though, I'm not sure what and if the recount will change much. It didn't last time.
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Pawek_13
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posted November 04, 2014 10:33 PM |
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War-overlord said:
Stevie said:
Gonna get even more surreal after the Recounthammer.
I dunno, everytime I go away and am not able to check on the vote, it does well for Shield. I've made no secret of my preference for that. So, see y'all friday, I'm gonna book a trip to the middle of nowhere.
In all seriousness though, I'm not sure what and if the recount will change much. It didn't last time.
In case of this voting it may. Every option has nearly equal number of votes and one percent can change the lineup which is in the second phase. This is so exciting! 
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jackson
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posted November 04, 2014 10:36 PM |
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I wrote this in the Discussion thread but I think I should post it here too:
A lot of people seem to think that Shield of Darkness would be a purely defensive faction, which doesn't make much sense... And if you read the descriptions for all three line-ups for Dungeon, and the three for Sylvan too, they're pretty poorly written. They should have done a much better job with all the descriptions.
When the Devs describe Shield as defensive, Faces as balanced, and Blade as offensive, they're comparing them to each other. Shield is defensive compared to Blade, and we don't know by how much. A lot of people seem not to understand this and assume Shield would be a purely defensive line-up. Looking at the Shield line-up, without the defensive label, we would have no reason to believe it's defensive, and that's because it's not. Overall, it's still more offensive than defensive.
What frustrates me is that Shield is losing mostly because of the "defensive" label, which is exactly what happened to Strength during the Sylvan vote. Marzhin even weighed in by saying that the three different line-ups wouldn't play dramatically different from each other, that they're all still Sylvan after all. He basically said that the differences between the offensive, balanced, and defensive labels are being vastly exaggerated.
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War-overlord
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posted November 04, 2014 10:38 PM |
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I wholly agree, but the Shield is losing might be a bit premature ATM.
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Elvin
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posted November 04, 2014 10:43 PM |
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meroe said:
Lots of cheat voting going on now. I really don't think a defensive Dungeon's is the way to go. Too plodding and boring - and safe. Looks like we are going to end up with a real mess.
More defensive, I don't see that. A little tankier maybe.
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Stevie
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posted November 04, 2014 11:07 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 23:09, 04 Nov 2014.
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jackson said:
I wrote this in the Discussion thread but I think I should post it here too:
A lot of people seem to think that Shield of Darkness would be a purely defensive faction, which doesn't make much sense... And if you read the descriptions for all three line-ups for Dungeon, and the three for Sylvan too, they're pretty poorly written. They should have done a much better job with all the descriptions.
When the Devs describe Shield as defensive, Faces as balanced, and Blade as offensive, they're comparing them to each other. Shield is defensive compared to Blade, and we don't know by how much. A lot of people seem not to understand this and assume Shield would be a purely defensive line-up. Looking at the Shield line-up, without the defensive label, we would have no reason to believe it's defensive, and that's because it's not. Overall, it's still more offensive than defensive.
What frustrates me is that Shield is losing mostly because of the "defensive" label, which is exactly what happened to Strength during the Sylvan vote. Marzhin even weighed in by saying that the three different line-ups wouldn't play dramatically different from each other, that they're all still Sylvan after all. He basically said that the differences between the offensive, balanced, and defensive labels are being vastly exaggerated.
And you got told by Acid Dragon on this one.
I think the ones exaggerating here are those who think that voting for a strategy is nonsense. Cuz that's the main problem here, not that somehow someone has a bad understanding on what offensive, balanced and defensive mean. If offensive means 10% or 20% more offence than balanced, and defense means 10% or 20% more defensive than balanced, it doesn't matter.
What matters is the principle, that one will be more offensive than the others, one in between, and one more defensive. It doesn't matter with how much at all, that's just an excuse for you to bring this up. I'm not voting a number because we don't have any, I'm voting a principle. And in principle, Blade is more offensive, Faces is balanced and Shield is more defensive regardless if anyone says otherwise.
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Stormcaller
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posted November 04, 2014 11:10 PM |
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You won't be cool stevie unless you vote for faces or shield.
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Raelag84
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posted November 05, 2014 12:02 AM |
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jackson said:
I wrote this in the Discussion thread but I think I should post it here too:
A lot of people seem to think that Shield of Darkness would be a purely defensive faction,...
I just want to say that I argued that shield wasn't a purely defensive faction, and even put forth the argument that faces is more defensive.
Therefore...
I deserve a cup cake.
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jackson
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Random Spirit Lover
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posted November 05, 2014 12:05 AM |
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Stevie said:
And you got told by Acid Dragon on this one.
I think the ones exaggerating here are those who think that voting for a strategy is nonsense. Cuz that's the main problem here, not that somehow someone has a bad understanding on what offensive, balanced and defensive mean. If offensive means 10% or 20% more offence than balanced, and defense means 10% or 20% more defensive than balanced, it doesn't matter.
What matters is the principle, that one will be more offensive than the others, one in between, and one more defensive. It doesn't matter with how much at all, that's just an excuse for you to bring this up. I'm not voting a number because we don't have any, I'm voting a principle. And in principle, Blade is more offensive, Faces is balanced and Shield is more defensive regardless if anyone says otherwise.
I got told? I certainly don't recall that.
I never said there's anything wrong with voting for a strategy or principle. Like you said, the offensive one will still be more offensive than the defensive one. However, what you said by no means invalidated what I said.
In short, what I said is that a lot of people exaggerate the offensive and defensive labels. Even Marzhin pointed that out.
I think that matters a lot because we really don't know how defensive it is, but a lot of people seem to assume that it's extremely defensive. We know that it's more defensive than the offensive choice, but we have no reason to believe it's extremely defensive.
That's all I said. You're welcome to vote for the most offensive out of principle. But that doesn't invalidate anything that I'm saying.
Also, I hope you're happier with this explanation. I have no intention of getting into a big argument about this and I think what I said was pretty fair and reasonable.
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jackson
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Random Spirit Lover
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posted November 05, 2014 12:06 AM |
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Raelag84 said:
Therefore...
I deserve a cup cake.
I give you a cupcake and a hug. 
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