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Damacon_Ace
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posted December 15, 2014 06:28 AM |
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Terror in my City
I cannot think that it will happen in my city, in my lifetime but it finally happened.
Sydney Siege in Pictures
Islamic terror group ISIS has struck Sydney with this despicable act of keeping up to 50 people hostage in a chocolate cafe in Martin Place, Sydney, a pedestrian mall that I frequent. Fortunately a few hostages have fled to safety and the gunman is under increasing pressure to turn himself in as the police presence gets very heavy and the media becomes more demanding.
Gunman starting to get identified, hostages flee scene
Awww...this world is now VERY dangerous.
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kayna
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posted December 15, 2014 06:59 AM |
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Edited by kayna at 20:34, 15 Dec 2014.
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What was Australia's part in the recent war on Muslims? They should at least do that snow in the US or England.
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artu
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posted December 15, 2014 07:06 AM |
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Edited by artu at 07:07, 15 Dec 2014.
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Well, it's not an official IS attack yet, according to the link. So, it can be irrelevant from that particular organization. Since it's just one man, it can even be one immigrant with mental problems or culture shock or who knows what... I wouldn't be surprised if this organization or that declares responsibility though, it is also possible.
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Trogdor
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posted December 15, 2014 11:35 AM |
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It's probably the worst act of terrorism ever to occur here in Australia, and yet the motives remain as clear as mud.
At the moment negotiators are in the midst of talking to the man involved and that one of his demands was an Islamic State flag, a demand that has not been met.
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kayna
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posted December 15, 2014 05:20 PM |
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artu said:
one immigrant with mental problems
Islamia
artu said:
or culture shock
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Stevie
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posted December 15, 2014 05:34 PM |
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artu
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posted December 15, 2014 05:41 PM |
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Islamia
You mean burying your head in the ground, denying social progress, observable reality, then trying to compensate it with delusions of moral and philosophical superiority that is enabled by blind faith, which leads to even a higher level of ignorance that results in disabling you to comprehend the magnitude of ridiculousness in your ignorance and traps you in an arrogance without valid reference that is used as a lame defense mechanism. C'mon now, we have imbeciles like that from all religions. I'll give it to you, Islam deals you a Full House of those, though.
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Fauch
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posted December 15, 2014 05:46 PM |
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Trogdor said:
At the moment negotiators are in the midst of talking to the man involved and that one of his demands was an Islamic State flag, a demand that has not been met.
the guy goes through all that trouble only for a flag?
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kayna
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posted December 15, 2014 05:54 PM |
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Edited by kayna at 17:56, 15 Dec 2014.
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artu said:
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Islamia
You mean burying your head in the ground, denying social progress, observable reality, then trying to compensate it with delusions of moral and philosophical superiority that is enabled by blind faith, which leads to even a higher level of ignorance that results in disabling you to comprehend the magnitude of ridiculousness in your ignorance and traps you in an arrogance without valid reference that is used as a lame defense mechanism. C'mon now, we have imbeciles like that from all religions. I'll give it to you, Islam deals you a Full House of those, though.
Hey, let's just create a new mental illness for each religion then! A subject to put on the table next year's global psychiatric reunion.
Fauch said:
Trogdor said:
At the moment negotiators are in the midst of talking to the man involved and that one of his demands was an Islamic State flag, a demand that has not been met.
the guy goes through all that trouble only for a flag?
According to Sydney's cops, he lighted his ex girlfriend up or something in the past and also sent hate emails to families of dead soldiers. Although I'm gonna turn a blind eye on the latter. Anyways. He's little to no credibility. "He is well known to the Australian police and is currently on bail for being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife. He is also facing more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges."
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Stevie
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posted December 15, 2014 06:08 PM |
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OhforfSake
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posted December 15, 2014 06:11 PM |
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It's not only in religion, I'm pretty sure bad behavior, or the reasons behind it, is not limited to belonging to any particular group.
I e.g. like the ideals of science, that to find out how the world works, you measure and you see if those measurements allows you to predict the future.
But that wouldn't prevent me from being an idiot.
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Stevie
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posted December 15, 2014 06:34 PM |
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Science doesn't predict the future, nor reveals the past. Science observes and repeats, scientific method, hypothesis tested and then formulating a theory. Operational science, not historical, which is based on other means. For example, I can't prove using operational science that the person called Napoleon Bonaparte existed, but I can using history. Nor can I prove what you will do tomorrow. Those are not areas under science, science shows you what happens NOW in CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
Off topic aside, it's still Islam's fault. We need to exterminate every religion on this globe and their followers if we are to live in peace.
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artu
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posted December 15, 2014 06:46 PM |
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Edited by artu at 19:03, 15 Dec 2014.
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In my experience, science does not result in reproduction of organized ignorance, forfy.There are two kinds of ignorance, one is directly caused by not having the means to reach to the proper sources of information, such as some villager in a mountain who does not even know how to read and write. Then, there is the ideological stance of religions, as in the case of jihadists (this loner looks more of a common criminal with mental problems as I guessed though), where you are trained to deny new data conflicting with your faith and the important part is, to insist on your position no matter what happens, "to stick to your faith" is indoctrinated to you as a good, even a noble thing. Wonderful way to train soldiers, a disaster when it comes to critical thinking though. Scienctific method consists of the opposite, a new explanation if more probable, replaces the old.
A fascist ideology can use scientific data to justify itself but that is not about the methodology of science itself and a completely irrelevant issue.
And if I get what you're hinting at, we have a quite different understanding of what bad behavior is. There are matters that can be considered a difference of opinion and then, there's utter non-sense (such as claiming science can reveal nothing about the past, which gets me back to my previous point, being so ignorant about a subject, not even being able to realize the depth of your ignorance, the kind of learned ignorance based on misconceptions rather than unawareness) and utter non-sense should be vocally classified as utter non-sense. Especially if it's manifested in an annoyingly arrogant manner with some Dunning Kruger effect.
You can keep playing Pollyanna in the trench, just don't expect anyone else to do the same.
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kayna
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posted December 15, 2014 07:01 PM |
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artu said:
Then, there is the ideological stance of religions, as in the case of jihadists (this loner looks more of a common criminal with mental problems as I guessed though),
Whatever mental illness it is, I suggest we give it a certain mechanic, akin to schizophrenia ; "environmental factors activated his mental illness and went in a cafe with a loaded AK 47" because 10 years of American war upon Muslims clearly has nothing to do with what happened. Heck, without it, he would've only burned down his ex girlfriend and flashed his cock here and there. Totally nice guy!
Oh god, why am I defending this guy anyways. >.>
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Fauch
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posted December 15, 2014 07:08 PM |
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Off topic aside, it's still Islam's fault. We need to exterminate every religion on this globe and their followers if we are to live in peace.
isn't it what religious extremists say? 
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Stevie
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posted December 15, 2014 07:12 PM |
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OhforfSake
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posted December 15, 2014 07:21 PM |
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Stevie said:
Science doesn't predict the future, nor reveals the past.
Sure it does. A very simply example, if I have good knowledge of the condition under which I drop a ball I can say to a certain accuracy where it'll be in the future.
If you can't predict, I think a lot of the strength is lost.
Edit: @Artu
I didn't see what I wrote as specific optimistic?
Anyway all I meant was that it's sometimes a little too easy to blame e.g. religion on a matter of a single individual. With that said I do think that e.g. Islamism does produce more extremism than non-Islamic people, but if that's because of the faith itself or the condition the larger part of people of said religion lives under, I do not know.
In the case of science itself, I find it a little problematic that we as a single person on the planet often do not have the possibility to test out many of the stuff that's regarded as truth.. We get the data and we're told how they did, but often there's no way a person either has the money or time to test it by themselves. Then to me it comes back to rely on faith and authority, maybe to a less degree than for religion and for the "world before this", and the world is working, so there isn't any serious problems as it is..
But I was really only talking about that we can find extremist everywhere with whatever reasons..
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artu
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posted December 15, 2014 07:23 PM |
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Yes, ridiculing the claim of a 6000 year old world is suggesting to exterminate religious people, you are right on the spot again, not to mention your immature racist flavor as a topping.
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Rakshasa92
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posted December 15, 2014 07:28 PM |
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I wouldn't go all anti-religion if I were you guys.
I once used a creature from Moslim mythology in one of my many proposals, and I already got a life-threat private post.
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Stevie
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posted December 15, 2014 07:41 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
Sure it does. A very simply example, if I have good knowledge of the condition under which I drop a ball I can say to a certain accuracy where it'll be in the future.
If you can't predict, I think a lot of the strength is lost.
That is still a present experiment, with conditions know as true for the present. Of course the outcome is in the near future you could say, but the conditions are present. And the "if" is everything. Tell me, how do you know what conditions were in the past or will be in the future? Those are realms where operational science cannot tell anything. For example, just a few centuries ago the quantities of oxygen and carbon in the atmosphere were totally different, that's a game changer in many regards, because the conditions were different. Not to mention that even in the present you cannot know all the factors that influence an experiment. Just the Sun being aligned in some way or a supernova in space which you have absolutely no clue about, can change something, such as to say that not even one experiment can be perfectly replicated ever.
But that's going too deep. I'm just reminiscent of a conversation I had with a physics graduate. But you're right, "if" you know, then you can. Problem is you can't know but partially in the present, and you can't know any conditions in the past or the future. Unless you're going to "assume" the conditions, in which case is no longer science.
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT, we really went off-topic now. So, anything new about the incident? Any Obama reaffirming war on terrorism? Nothing?
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