thGryphn said:

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To play a game is not the same kind of effort as to participate in a visual perception practice and improvement program. Those two efforts are neither similar nor compatible. It is very wrong to demand that the player treat the game as some kind of a mix of two.

It is also very wrong to treat a serious perceptional issue, like placing visually very intense focus point on the lower left corner, as some trivial game modification and expect that players accept that as a part of a traditional player-to-game adjustment.

SO, why not avoid not only total game ruining experience, but potentially very serious perceptional issues, and stay true to the game tradition and define the ATB bar as the creature/hero acting duplicated as both a large icon and a small icon?

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Why not make the relevant border movement radius proportional to map size, and make governance faction based only, so that governor can become any hero form the same faction as the city?

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Thanks for this awesome mod. I have a problem that you may solve. When I install heroes5 and expansions from uplay and then install tote patch 3.1, I still see version 3.0 when I open tote. I can then install this mod but we get checksum error when we try to play mmh5.5 maps in multiplayer (but can play other maps fine). I will try installing heroes 5 first then 1.6 patch, then hammers of fate and 2.1 patch then tote and finally 3.1 patch and 5.5 mod. Do you think this will solve the problem or do you have any idea how to solve it? Thanks in advance.

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magnomagus said:

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@ThGryphn: I don't see yet what the disorienting part is of the ATB but i have found one issue that makes me realize we need to change it back or otherwise fix. If you hover the mouse over one creature it is supposed to highlight every position of that creature on the ATB bar, but the creature in the large icon cannot be highlighted. This is important if multiple times the same stack is on the battlefield.

Also if you get into it, i noticed too late the goblin 3rd rage bonus should now just become one cell instead of 3x cell with same text.

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Skeggy said:

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I think you misunderstood me.
I am actually saying that YOU are insisting that players accept modification that changes the way the game battle screen visually worked all these years.
I am actually saying that you are trying to push greater amount of interaction into the bottom left corner, greater than the game had all these years.
I am actually saying that the way game battle screen worked all these years did not make me sick in my stomach, and now it does.
Therefore, I will just remove your mod and use the old one. Perhaps it would be nice that your new mod is placed outside main MMH55-Data file and that game comes with the instructions how to remove your mod if anyone feels sick.
In my opinion, this issue with stuffing too much interaction in the lower left corner is serious issue.
No one really needs that kind of unnecessary visual guidance, it’s just annoying, it disrupts gameplay experience on the whole screen.

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Skeggy said:

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Previous behavior, where you have the large icon duplicated also as a small icon, addresses problems of the lower left corner pretty well. Not only that the player could completely ignore big icon and focus on the small icon, but the same big icon and small icon together, somehow allowed transference of attention from the lower left corner to the actual screen positioning of the relevant creature.
Both big and small icon of the same creature/hero in the lower left corner dissolves perceptual separation of the lower left corner and makes it contextual part of main screen focus without disrupting main screen focus.
Creature/hero switching in the lower left corner without big-and-small icon-visual-buffer separates lower left corner too much from the rest of the screen.

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magnomagus said:

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Thanks for this awesome mod. I have a problem that you may solve. When I install heroes5 and expansions from uplay and then install tote patch 3.1, I still see version 3.0 when I open tote. I can then install this mod but we get checksum error when we try to play mmh5.5 maps in multiplayer (but can play other maps fine). I will try installing heroes 5 first then 1.6 patch, then hammers of fate and 2.1 patch then tote and finally 3.1 patch and 5.5 mod. Do you think this will solve the problem or do you have any idea how to solve it? Thanks in advance.

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hello eadan, it should read version 5.59a when you open the game, you are likely not installing the mod in the right folder. Only TOE is relevant, if you can install it standalone with patch 3.1 it is already enough.

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The large icon does not (and did not before) light up, but when you hover over it, both the corresponding creature on the battle field lights up, and every other representation of that same creature lights up on the ATB bar. Nothing changed there... I literally only hid the repetitive small icon.

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Eadan said:

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I will try installing toe standalone and then patch 3.1 and mmh5.5.

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dredknight said:

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Eadan said:

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I will try installing toe standalone and then patch 3.1 and mmh5.5.

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Let me know what is going on after that. If it still doesnt work I will supply you with a working LAN map to see if this is the issue.

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magnomagus said:

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Ok if a steam version is involved, do not use any steam app to start the game because it will point to wrong exe, load the game from the MMH55 exe directly, check the data folder if it contains  MMH55...pak files (so it was installed properly). if the RMG creates a index.bin file in your data folder delete it, since it can cause sync issues.

I have noticed for some reason the h55 demo maps don't always work in LAN because they are in .pak file. (if you don't need them anymore they can be thrown away) So better use your own made RMG maps after they are patched with reanimation patcher (shortcut in startmenu).

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"RMG TEMPLATE" folder but I only have "RMGTemp" folder. Should I delete it before every game too?

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Eadan said:

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"RMG TEMPLATE" folder but I only have "RMGTemp" folder. Should I delete it before every game too?

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magnomagus said:

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You can ignore the error message about regeneration, you will always have to send a copy of the map to your friend since the MMH55.exes cannot generate maps properly as explained in ARMG.

reanimation patcher does EXACTLY the same thing as activating scripts manually.

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So my friend can't download the map by simply joining my game and I have to send him the map after activating scripts?

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magnomagus said:

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The large icon does not (and did not before) light up, but when you hover over it, both the corresponding creature on the battle field lights up, and every other representation of that same creature lights up on the ATB bar. Nothing changed there... I literally only hid the repetitive small icon.

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Yes I know and it is not correct, I'm not talking about hovering over icons on the ATB bar but hovering over creatures standing on the battlefield. If you do that all instances of it on the ATB bar need to light up, but since the first one no longer exists that one doesn't.

So considering the change already annoys some people and changing it back will not annoy anyone and also fix this isses, my current opinion is that the change needs to be reverted.

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magnomagus said:

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It is not about not seeing which stack is acting, it is for comparing the situation between cloned stacks. If you use split stack strategies it is possible up to 5 times the same '1 peasant stack' is standing on the battlefield, when you hover over a 1 peasant stack it is important for speed of perception that every instance of that peasant is highlighted on the ATB bar including the first, which is currently not working.

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