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DivineClio
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posted August 08, 2015 03:12 PM |
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Nordic states
Hi,
I rarelly write in this forum and i don' t expect people know me;but today i need forum help for an important choose.Let me explain:
I m Fabrizio, 20 age, from Italy and i m studying engennering aerospace engineering (3 years) in Milan, with a master's degree space/aeronautical engennering (2 years). I have already decided to leave Italy for search better future in foreign state, and i couldn't not put an eye on nordic states.So i ask you:how is the life there?
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kiryu133
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posted August 08, 2015 03:29 PM |
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High living standards. Good welfare. Real problem with racists. I think that would sum it up pretty well. Some things can be rather expensive but it shouldn't be too much of a problem. Very pretty nature.
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OhforfSake
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posted August 08, 2015 03:37 PM |
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Sweden = cold
Finland = cold
Denmark = hates foreigners and also pretty cold
Norway = cold
Iceland = epic
Estonia = what is this?
To be honest I don't know the bureaucracy of my own country, only that the current political state of affairs is that foreigners are bad, sadly.
The positive of Denmark is that the distances are small I guess, but apart from a general nicer weather (coastal and closer to the equator) than Sweden and Norway, I imagine big brother Sweden wins out in educational possibilities and openness to foreigners, while Norway is a wealthier country.
I don't know what's most important to you, but I imagine it's educational options and possibility to integrate you and potentially your family in our society. For this I think all countries have this to offer, with a good security network, but what country offers this the best I don't know and sadly if we were competing on this, in stead of anti foreigners politics, I think our countries would be much more awesome.
I don't know, but I don't think e.g. Iceland have much to offer, mainly because their largest city is rather small compared to average European, or just Nordic, cities.
I don't know anything about Finland, except their language is completely different.
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The people in general are introvert, but friendly.
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kiryu133
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posted August 08, 2015 03:46 PM |
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Currently I'd say Norway is the friendliest to foreigners simply from the apparent lack of large anti-foreign groups.
we also had a heat-wave earlier this summer with degrees up to above 40 c. Do with that what you want.
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OhforfSake
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posted August 08, 2015 03:59 PM |
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Well perhaps, but I think Sweden is more cultural and more used to adopting people from all cultures.
Of course it's nothing compares to e.g. France.
About the weather, I don't think the maximum is that usable. Not if you're staying there the entire year. I mean it's nice if the Summer gets warm, but to be honest that's maybe 1-2 months in the entire year that's worth speaking about and even an ordinary winter can be pretty bad if you're not used to it.
We haven't had the winters we used to in a long time, so our winters have been very mild lately.
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Nitramar
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posted August 08, 2015 07:29 PM |
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Edited by Nitramar at 19:50, 08 Aug 2015.
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I don't think any of the Nordic countries have any major problems with foreigners, at least in large cities/academic circles and especially if the foreigners are highly educated European ones.
Language should not be a problem as almost everyone speaks English here. That said, there's been quite a lot of stories in the news recently about how difficult it is to get a job in Finland if you don't speak Finnish, so... I don't know. If you do want to learn the language, Swedish might be the easiest (Finnish is probably the hardest, certainly the most different).
Sweden and Finland are pretty similar on all levels, really, except that Sweden has a bit more of everything (for better or worse). Norway is the most expensive one to live in as far as I've heard. I don't know much about Denmark, but it seems a bit more European. Iceland is a complete mystery to me. I'm pretty sure Finland is the most boring one (though I may be biased).
kiryu133 said:
we also had a heat-wave earlier this summer with degrees up to above 40 c. Do with that what you want.
Meanwhile in Finland, this has been the coldest summer in over 50 years (and I still think it could be cooler  ).
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Salamandre
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posted August 08, 2015 07:38 PM |
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"Foreigners"?
Those countries have no problems with "foreigners", they have problems only with afro-arabs, more specifically muslims. Denmark just banned halal meat because they consider animal rights above religion(s).
I applaud.
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properkheldar
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posted August 08, 2015 07:56 PM |
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kiryu133 said:
Currently I'd say Norway is the friendliest to foreigners simply from the apparent lack of large anti-foreign groups.
we also had a heat-wave earlier this summer with degrees up to above 40 c. Do with that what you want.
Really? Norway has an populist/anti immigration-party in goverment and take in alot less asylum seekers then say, Sweden.
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DivineClio
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posted August 08, 2015 08:06 PM |
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Salamandre said:
"Foreigners"?
Those countries have no problems with "foreigners", they have problems only with afro-arabs, more specifically muslims.
I applaud.
Why?
Italy have this problem too; massive migrant from north africa,sadly most of them are exoploied by mafia in Sicilia/Puglia, or blocked in Lampedusa (google lampedua problem).
OhforfSake said:
Sweden = cold
Finland = cold
Denmark = hates foreigners and also pretty cold
Norway = cold
Iceland = epic
Estonia = what is this?
1)Only that the current political state of affairs is that foreigners are bad, sadly.
2)....but I imagine it's educational options and possibility to integrate you and potentially your family in our society.
Cold isn t a problem for me.
1)Could you explain more about?
2)yeap, you have centered my concerns plus burocracy and things in general.
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kipshasz 
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posted August 08, 2015 08:09 PM |
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Norway: government institutions can legally kidnap children.
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kiryu133
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posted August 08, 2015 08:09 PM |
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properkheldar said:
Really? Norway has an populist/anti immigration-party in goverment and take in alot less asylum seekers then say, Sweden.
The more you know...
we have one in government as well (third largest. third snowing largest. WTF!?) but we never hear about our nice, friendly neighbor Norway that way like we hear about Denmark from time to time. I mean, there was that guy some years back but he was an extremist amongst extremists.
i think we can all agree Finland is the best place in every way, if only the language wasn't so different from anything else...
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Nitramar
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posted August 08, 2015 08:10 PM |
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Edited by Nitramar at 20:21, 08 Aug 2015.
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properkheldar said:
Really? Norway has an populist/anti immigration-party in goverment and take in alot less asylum seekers then say, Sweden.
I think the rise in popularity of anti-immigration politics is quite a global phenomenon in Europe and has nothing specifically to do with any Nordic country. Sweden probably has more problems with immigration precisely because they have been taking too many immigrants, so some of the criticism is even rather justified. It's just that the way these parties present their views is not exactly considered politically correct (and by the way, Sweden seems to be espacially fussy about political correctness), so they are seen by some as a threat because of that.
Oh, and Finland also has a large populist anti-immigration party in the government (and btw our ministers of defense and foreign affairs are from that party). Recently one of their members of parliament made an unfortunate post on facebook (or twitter, I don't know/care which one) and the press is all over it... But the reason these people get into parliament has more to do with our voting system (one popular candidate brings a lot of seats for his party) than with what the average Finn thinks.
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DivineClio
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posted August 08, 2015 08:17 PM |
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kipshasz said:
Norway: government institutions can legally kidnap children.
wat? Is that some kind of joke?
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kipshasz
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posted August 08, 2015 08:31 PM |
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DivineClio said:
kipshasz said:
Norway: government institutions can legally kidnap children.
wat? Is that some kind of joke?
Unfortunately not. Norwegian goverment really does that, though it's under a guise that the kids taken away have crappy parents who suck at parenting.
But as an Italian you shouldn't worry about that. they only target immigrants from the Eastern Bloc.
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OhforfSake
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posted August 08, 2015 08:38 PM |
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DivineClio said:
OhforfSake said:
1)Only that the current political state of affairs is that foreigners are bad, sadly.
2)....but I imagine it's educational options and possibility to integrate you and potentially your family in our society.
Cold isn t a problem for me.
1)Could you explain more about?
2)yeap, you have centered my concerns plus burocracy and things in general.
Sadly I don't know which of the Nordics have the smoothest bureaucratic process. Right now politicians are discussing if we should send out pamphlets about how difficult it is to get support, etc. with new rules coming in. I don't know where to find this information, but it ought to be publicly available.
About the current state of political affairs, I don't know what triggered it, and I fear Nitramar is correct in that it might be all over Europe. All I can see in my own country is that the latest election was heavily focused on anti-immigration promises from both sides of the spectrum.
Finally about education, security, jobs, etc. in my country.
Higher educations are centered in the larger cities, if you're not from one of the four largest cities, you typically have to move to go to university. The country however is rather small, so it's not as horrible as it sounds (though it +politicians favoring the larger cities has meant that the smaller cities have a lot of problems with losing people to the larger cities and the larger cities have a lot of trouble finding enough houses for everyone).
For lower level security (if you make a family and your children is to go to school), more or less all towns I'm aware of have a school nearby, high school however might require longer distances, depending on where you live. Though not as bad as with uni of course.
I don't know about jobs, but it's my impression that there is low unemployment rates and high job security, though I can't really say for sure.
I'm sorry I can't help more.
properkheldar said:
Norway has an populist/anti immigration-party in goverment and take in alot less asylum seekers then say, Sweden.
I guess that more or less goes for all the Nordics countries then.
kipshasz said:
Norway: government institutions can legally kidnap children.
But isn't this a sad fact in every country more or less?
kiryu133 said:
we have one in government as well (third largest. third snowing largest. WTF!?)
And ours is second largest now.  Only topped by one that isn't even in the government.
Nitramar said:
I think the rise in popularity of anti-immigration politics is quite a global phenomenon in Europe and has nothing specifically to do with any Nordic country.
I didn't know that, but I guess you're probably right. I didn't really consider it, always thought hostility towards foreigners was more common in southwestern European countries which are more or less bordering poor countries, such as Spain and Italy.
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Darkshadow
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posted August 08, 2015 08:45 PM |
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It's pretty ok here 
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posted August 09, 2015 12:21 AM |
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Why would you move to northern Europe when you can move to northern Iraq?
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alcibiades
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posted August 09, 2015 12:31 AM |
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Always funny to hear your country descriped by foreiners. ^^,
Things are fine here in Denmark. Taxes are high, and living expenses are high, however. You'll need to have a job, otherwise you'll find it hard I think.
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Salamandre
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posted August 09, 2015 12:35 AM |
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How is the life is the wrong question, imo. First you should try to contact and talk with people in your job field, see if there is need of what you do then what salary you can get and what you can do with. Nordic countries look fabulous, for instance my dream was Canada. However, in my field, all northern Europe, as well as Canada, are off interest, the musical education there is below mediocre and pays bad.
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kiryu133
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posted August 09, 2015 12:42 AM |
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would people from scandinavia talking about other scandinavian countries really count as "foreigners"?
Fun fact: I've been in all nordic countries, even if Norway and Finland were just visited briefly. fancy that.
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