Salamandre said:

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And yes, the lack of coherence in Europe policies is the clash between emotional and real. Yes, we want to help. Oh, not them again!

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EnergyZ said:

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xerox said:

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There are 500 millon in the European Union, that's what I meant.

EnergyZ said:

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xerox said:

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For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.

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Oh? And when the country has too much of an unemployment rate, and they have to stay, it is a blessing?

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Economics is not a zero-sum game. By that false logic, baby booms would cause mass unemployment. Instead, a larger population makes for a larger economy, which benefits all.

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Even today people are raising issues that in some dozen years, Earth will be overcrowded, meaning more water, food and other things will be even in greater demand. In other words, one should severly reduce unemployment rate before starting to accept so many people at once, for ours and their sake. It just isn't practical that a bunch of people are waiting months for a job and now have to wait with 200 more people.

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Stevie said:

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xerox said:

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Stevie said:

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xerox said:

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For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.

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So according to you, Europe needs more mouths to feed and unemployment rate? Let alone crime rate, cultural and religious dissensions and the very real terror threat?

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What Europe needs is more people to support those that do not support themselves. Primarily the huge number of growing elderly people. We need immigration to keep up the work force but OF COURSE we can't just let people in and then do nothing. There will be cultural tensions and there has to be policy changes regarding the naturalization of these new citizens. But closing the borders will only cause the doom of these people, and in the long-term, the doom of European prosperity aswell.

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Em, no, what Europe needs is more people that do not support themselves to support themselves. And in what world do you associate the already high unemployment rates of European countries with a necessity of supplementing demographics?

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xerox said:

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When I said people who do not support themselves I wasn't refering to unemployed people on welfare, I support only a limited welfare state - not a nanny state - bur rather, the massively increasing number of retired people. Europe needs working migrants to balance the ratio between the people who live off pensions and such, and the people that support those benefits. For that, immigration is an absolute necessity.

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xerox said:

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Europe needs working migrants to balance the ratio between the people who live off pensions and such, and the people that support those benefits. For that, immigration is an absolute necessity.

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xerox said:

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EnergyZ said:

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xerox said:

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There are 500 millon in the European Union, that's what I meant.

EnergyZ said:

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xerox said:

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For Thor's sak, it's a few hundred thousand people and we're 500 million people in a Europe, a continent with a massive demographic deficit that is only getting worse. That people choose to come here is a blessing, not a problem.

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Oh? And when the country has too much of an unemployment rate, and they have to stay, it is a blessing?

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Economics is not a zero-sum game. By that false logic, baby booms would cause mass unemployment. Instead, a larger population makes for a larger economy, which benefits all.

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Even today people are raising issues that in some dozen years, Earth will be overcrowded, meaning more water, food and other things will be even in greater demand. In other words, one should severly reduce unemployment rate before starting to accept so many people at once, for ours and their sake. It just isn't practical that a bunch of people are waiting months for a job and now have to wait with 200 more people.

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Which means increased migration makes even more sense. Europe is not getting overcrowded. Europe needs more people to weigh up for its demographic deficit. By opening the borders, it can help decrease overpopulation in other parts of the world.

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artu said:

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I'm not sure exactly what you're refering to here but if by local Greeks you mean the conquest of Byzantine by the Ottomans, they were neither slaughtered nor assimilated (in the bad sense of the word.)

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artu said:

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back in 16th or 17th century, being a Dhimmi was quite a comfortable situation compared to how the Church treated minorities, it literally means protected person, non-muslims (if they belonged to an Abrahamic religion) had to pay a special tax called Cizye, other than that, they could live and practice their religion anyway they see fit as long as they didnt revolt against the empire.

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xerox said:

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For Thor's sak

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Salamandre said:

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Then it says that studies show the asylum seekers proved to be people who work hard, and I am sure of that. But it deliberately skips the fact that the "excellent" french bureaucracy accepts one asylum demand from 10. Which would mean that only 400 000 from the 4 millions would be accepted. And it skips the part about what EU will do with the 3 600 000 remaining after the demands are rejected.  

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Herry said:

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Regarding the so-called Refugee crisis

Yep, that wraps up soo much of the discussion, at no cost of arguements.

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