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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
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posted October 03, 2015 04:52 PM |
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And there is also a mod in Era -Usain Bolt-, which proposes to the player + 10 movement every 100 battles won (the value-his choice). Which eliminates the need of logistic by rewarding the hero in an elegant way, not blatant cheat.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted October 03, 2015 05:11 PM |
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Galaad said:
That's great and all, but it won't help me in HotA.
Btw why does it say 9th-10th, do you get 9 or 10?
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted October 03, 2015 05:26 PM |
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It means hero gets 9th and 10th skills, 2 additional ones. Yet you can get all 27 in wog, there is an internal plugin to check before game.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 03, 2015 05:31 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
That's great and all, but it won't help me in HotA.
Because HotA's gameplay is VERY CLOSE to original homm3, and almost all your concerns can be solved if you play wog (actually all if you learn to mod it yourself). I am honestly puzzled why you are so reticent towards wog.
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phoenix4ever
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posted October 03, 2015 05:57 PM |
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Thanks Galaad I understand that. But WoG won't give me Cove, Cannon around 20+ heroes, new artifacts and combinations, new adv. objects and terrain. Besides HotA is much better balanced with Conflux and Necropolis nerfed. I would hate to go back to 4 phoenixes a week or that insane amount of skeletons.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted October 03, 2015 06:02 PM |
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Nope, wog can only give you about 120 mods, each one with different features, thousand of new artifacts, skills and actions.
Indeed, it can't stand against a new town and a cannon.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted October 03, 2015 06:05 PM |
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And how do you expect me to figure 120 mods out?, do I download 1, 20, 120? Will they make the game better or worse. I am happy with almost everything in HotA, can't say the same thing about WoG. I like that gameplay is very true to the original.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted October 03, 2015 06:09 PM |
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Hey, not trying to convert you or anything. I am just thinking that this is a perfect example of stubbornness, you talk like wog was something not balanced.
Wog is what you want it to be, it is Heroes modding manual. You want necromancy nerved, you do it, you want phoenix growth nerved, you write it. There are mods extending artifacts, skills, creatures, battle actions, and so on. All are modifiable to the player liking. You just can't do that in hota, you have to take what is offered to you.
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bloodsucker
Legendary Hero
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posted October 03, 2015 06:14 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
But WoG won't give me Cove, Cannon around 20+ heroes, new artifacts and combinations, new adv. objects and terrain. Besides HotA is much better balanced with Conflux and Necropolis nerfed.
HoTA is just another WoG mod. The fact that is backed by russian community along with keeping the code closed may give you different ideas but almost everything they did you can do in WOG (add new heroes, creatures and artifacts being between the cool stuff you can't do without a lot of work).
Have you tried Phoenix? It gives you a complete different experience of the game.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
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posted October 03, 2015 06:17 PM |
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Yes HotA has it's limitation and sadly I can't change much about it. But is there any other mod that allows you to play with 10 (perhaps more?) towns at the same time?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted October 03, 2015 06:22 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
And how do you expect me to figure 120 mods out?
You don't have to, once ERA installed you can already check all wog options (get wog revised from era thread first), there is plenty of toggable modifications you can check out, including skills, heroes, and various options in many areas as you can guess from my screenshot. Then you can feel more comfortable to check the various mods from the 100+ list.
Then if you're not satisfied, as Salamandre said, you can buff this or nerf that to your suit.
Look, I love both Horn of the Abyss and wog, the former for its quality and how is faithful to Heroes III, the other for expanded experience. You keep on shouting about hota, but IMO if you taste it you will like wog. What would be wrong in trying anyway?
Also, there is VCMI.
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted October 03, 2015 06:24 PM |
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@Bloodsucker no I haven't tried it and if I did, I would'nt know where to start.  Also I don't know anything about scripting, though I would do all I could if I knew how.
But it's not happening now, since my PC decided it won't start up today, guess I'll have to take it to a computer store. 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted October 03, 2015 06:31 PM |
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phoenix4ever said:
@Bloodsucker no I haven't tried it and if I did, I would'nt know where to start.
Galaad said:
once ERA installed[...]Then you can feel more comfortable to check the various mods from the 100+ list.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted October 03, 2015 06:37 PM |
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Yeah, especially now when imageshack fu**ed all my uploaded advertising pics. Now is the optimal moment to find each mod what it offers!
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phoenix4ever
Legendary Hero
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posted October 03, 2015 06:39 PM |
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Okay guys, I will check WoG out when I get my computer up and running again. I would really like to have 10 skills possible, but all the other map rules sound ridiculous and have nothing to do with original HOMM 3. And I would really miss Cove and all the stuff from HotA.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
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posted October 03, 2015 06:42 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Yeah, especially now when imageshack fu**ed all my uploaded advertising pics. Now is the optimal moment to find each mod what it offers!
That truly sucks though.
Phoenix4ever said:
but all the other map rules sound ridiculous and have nothing to do with original HOMM 3.
Don't like a script: disabled.
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Salamandre
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Wog refugee
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posted October 03, 2015 06:44 PM |
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Don't force yourself. Usually the people trying wog are those already used or even bored with original and seeking for new sensations. if you still like and play vanilla, you don't need wog except if you want to personally build your own mods and have an orgasm while playing.
Beside, Hota is an excellent add on to original playing.
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phoenix4ever
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posted October 03, 2015 06:52 PM |
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Do you wan't me to play WoG or not? It would'nt hurt to try it, can't really judge it either before trying it. But I have my reservations towards it. But if HotA could do something about those 4 useless skills and maybe Town Portal and DD I would be very satisfied.
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bloodsucker
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posted October 03, 2015 06:54 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Beside, Hota is an excellent add on to original playing.
Yes, I'm with you on that. I just hate their close code policy but it adds much more and better balanced stuff then AB and SoD.
Salamandre said:
And there is also a mod in Era -Usain Bolt-, which proposes to the player + 10 movement every 100 battles won (the value-his choice). Which eliminates the need of logistic by rewarding the hero in an elegant way, not blatant cheat.
I didn't saw this one the last time. Man, it may not be a blatant cheat but is a blatant lye. Your mod is amazing but it rewards Logistics specialists almost as much as Masters of Summoning rewards magic heroes. Just remember that one of the favored arguments for Logistics specialist is "they do more battles per turn".
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted October 04, 2015 05:07 AM |
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Before accusing me of blatant lies, maybe you should read Usain Bolt description, in Era mods thread.
It was not designed for wog usage, as wog already offers double movement for free. It was designed to help people playing SoD to finish long maps before the 12 months free bug limit. This doesn't mean they get move for free, they still have to advance and win battles, without that there is no extra-movement.
Sure one can put in *ini file any value then finish map in one day, but I expect players to be reasonable and play with the default one, 50 battles for 10 movement on XL map.
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