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| Thread: Who's REALLY to blame for the continuous downfall of the Heroes series? |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT» |
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EnergyZ
Legendary Hero
President of MM Wiki
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posted November 24, 2015 11:59 PM |
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My, that was unique, has a certain flair to it. I also approve of it being a QP post.
Though, how much hours have been spent on that post? Or were it days?
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted November 25, 2015 04:43 AM |
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he casted em as Gothmog, he gets a my QP recomendation :-P
And rarely a post from Verriker I actually liked. Too bad I'm not that much around lately.
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I'm just a Mirror of your self.
We see, we look, we gather, we store, we teach.
We are many, and you can be one of us.
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Brukernavn
Hero of Order
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posted November 25, 2015 07:48 PM |
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I concur with all of the above. A very nice read in these dark times 
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Noll
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 30, 2015 07:45 AM |
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Maybe the problem with this series is that the expectations are so high that developers outsource in the process of trying to achieve more than they can.
If you think about it, heroes 3 was a great game but it build itself upon heroes2, making it in reality a super polished "reboot" of heroes 2 (although not to the level of H7 using H6 models).
Personally I have nothing against reused assets as long as this provides more varieties (and not limitations) to the game.
We can dream of a day when H3 joins H4 in an epic Heroes game.
The complexity of H4 heroes
The customization of H4 cities but with the variety of H3 (7 creatures).
The amount of free map H3 had to offer.
Potentially 3 or 4 more castles (Dwarven fortress, Lizardmen Fortress, Inferno stuffs, Nagas)
H7 let us customize which creature growths more (and that's a good thing), although some choices look obvious to me (like wizards and genies).
Now, I really hope Limbic will improve the game not just to acceptable levels but to great levels.
Games like FFXIV showed that a complete failure can change to a big success, and even though the scale is smaller, I'm looking forward for a two expansions full H7 cicle.
Sorry wall of text!
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted November 30, 2015 09:35 AM |
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Edited by Aionb at 09:42, 30 Nov 2015.
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Noll said:
We can dream of a day when H3 joins H4 in an epic Heroes game.
The complexity of H4 heroes
The customization of H4 cities but with the variety of H3 (7 creatures).
Your dreams may be in vane:
They had the complexity - H5 ToE;
They had the "customization of H4 cities" = H5 ToE alternate upgrades;
In other words, they sure had the foundation you are talking about.
Unfortunately, they also had the "team Erwiny", which decided to flush the foundation down the drain.
(And I don't say anything about Bullshan, as I am perfectly ok with it, as long as it can be ignored - just like in H5)
So, what do we have? Well, we have H6 and H7. Rejoice! (of course H7 has potential, bla, bla, bla - so did H6).
As for what Limbosoft will do with H7 from now on, I hope for the best but refrain from expecting it.
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Noll
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 30, 2015 12:00 PM |
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Well, to H7 defense, H5 became very good with TOTE (second expansion). Prior to that it was not so interesting (at least for me) of a game. It felt a step backward from H4 (I'm one of the rare people that actually LIKED H4).
Now the first thing I'd like them to do for H7 is:
POLISH first
BALANCE second
ADD CONTENT third
If they do that, I'd gladly buy expansions and such.
I'd also Pay 20 bucks for a 2d Mode.
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Laser70
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 30, 2015 08:22 PM |
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Edited by Laser70 at 20:29, 30 Nov 2015.
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Individual ingenuity and creativity can seldom be replaced by large companies. Jon Van Caneghem had all of that. If a small company owned the rights to Heroes, I would have hope, but with a huge company I don't have any hope for any further good games in the series. As large as Ubisoft is, as many competent key people are in there, I only need to look at how the subtitle of a game is designed, and I know what they are doing wrong. Ubisoft as a whole is incompetent. But there have been a few titles from Ubi that I liked, but they failed to finish them, and they were full of bugs. They fixed none.
It seems to me that these bugs are money makers to them, so they have no reason to fix them. Bugs annoy the hell out of people, and when they don't get fixed, they get so annoyed that they buy the next game from Ubi, and they get equally annoyed.
Inside Ubisoft, on the wall is a painting with a text on it "If you fix bugs, our income drops by 50%"
No, there are no such poster, but I would be pleased if there were one.
They don't want to create long lasting golden games. Classic games live forever and that is exactly what Ubisoft doesn't want. Huge companies must create problems that press the customer to come back, because they have many products that they need to sell.
When people hate ubisoft, they react in a way they shouldn't react, they buy a different title, I think ubi is aware of that.
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Sempai
Known Hero
Ubi is love
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posted December 01, 2015 01:35 AM |
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A bit late, but great stuff, Verriker!  Glad to be a part of that brotherhood! 
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted December 01, 2015 01:49 AM |
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Noll said:
Well, to H7 defense, H5 became very good with TOTE (second expansion). Prior to that it was not so interesting (at least for me) of a game. It felt a step backward from H4 (I'm one of the rare people that actually LIKED H4).
Now the first thing I'd like them to do for H7 is:
POLISH first
BALANCE second
ADD CONTENT third
If they do that, I'd gladly buy expansions and such.
I'd also Pay 20 bucks for a 2d Mode.
I agree on everything you said there. And I still play H4 often to this day, as well as H3. 5 and 6, less.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted December 04, 2015 12:43 AM |
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The winning formula is still out there. HoMM games = content. You need a lot of artifacts, heroes, monster, spells and map objects to make the game lively and fun. Otherwise, you get a boring, repetetive, predictable game.
For instance, loved HoMM3's artifacts, some of them were really a big "wow" on the map. And there was so many of them...
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted December 04, 2015 12:54 AM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 00:55, 04 Dec 2015.
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[Sarcasm]But H7 has some pretty "wow" artifacts too like the immaculately named "Legendary Boots" does that not just send shivers down your spine with awe and amazement.[/Sarcasm]
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"Don't resist the force. Redirect it. Water over rock."-blizzardboy
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Svartzorn
Known Hero
Dead struggling with death.
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posted December 04, 2015 01:16 AM |
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Doomforge said:
The winning formula is still out there. HoMM games = content. You need a lot of artifacts, heroes, monster, spells and map objects to make the game lively and fun. Otherwise, you get a boring, repetetive, predictable game.
For instance, loved HoMM3's artifacts, some of them were really a big "wow" on the map. And there was so many of them...
If you fill up the game with too much stuff it will blow.
I don't even bother to play HOMM3 mods because they are so full of stuff.
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Death to the world.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted December 04, 2015 01:54 AM |
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I think H3 did it just right. Enough content to make you feel interested, not enough to make you feel confused.
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We reached to the stars and everything is now ours
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted December 04, 2015 02:47 AM |
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Yes. Simple rules. Simple interface. Simple editor. Effective AI. Lots of content. Win.
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later. -Mitch Hedberg
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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted December 04, 2015 11:34 AM |
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H7 let us customize which creature growths more (and that's a good thing), although some choices look obvious to me (like wizards and genies).
I know it is offtopic but pls enlighten me which is the obvious choice here?
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted December 04, 2015 02:08 PM |
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Doomforge said:
I think H3 did it just right. Enough content to make you feel interested, not enough to make you feel confused.
Yes, but what are the chances H8 or H9 or H...13 will be like that again ? 
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Gryphs
Supreme Hero
The Clever Title
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posted December 04, 2015 10:18 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 22:19, 04 Dec 2015.
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Drakon-Deus said:
Yes, but what are the chances H8 or H9 or H...13 will be like that again ?
Oh yeah! Yearly releases anyone? We don't have a yearly strategy game yet. 
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted December 04, 2015 10:34 PM |
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Doomforge said:
I think H3 did it just right. Enough content to make you feel interested, not enough to make you feel confused.
I appreciate the nostalgia, but I think glorifying H3 like this is only half the truth. H3 was great, but going back to the H3 skill system after H4/H5 would be a clear step backwards. Same goes for the magic system (as shown in effect by H7). So while I appreciate the quality of the amount of content in H3, I don't buy the premise that the simplicity is a quality.
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What will happen now?
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted December 04, 2015 10:38 PM |
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I agree about the skill system which is richer in H4/H5 but will disagree with the magic system which I think is rather a matter of taste.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted December 04, 2015 10:42 PM |
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I don't see many people playing H4 nowadays. H5 neither, not much. H3, on the other side, I see several tournaments running on steroids. So not so sure about a step back, at least in terms of popularity.
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