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moko86
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posted December 21, 2015 06:18 PM |
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Looking for most challenging,difficult and impossible Heroes 3 SOD map like Wayfarer
Looking for most challenging,difficult and impossible Heroes 3 SOD map like Wayfarer
Hi everyone,
I played an incredible map called "Wayfarer" created by Chinese player "ustcers". This is the most enjoyable and interesting map i have ever played. It has lots and lots small details about the gameplay that if you are not familiar you can not even play day 1 of the map. Map is in chinese so no story line for me but still the best. I am looking for more maps like this one (much more difficult than unleashed the blood thirsty) so if anyone know any please give me a list. And if you are a fan of Heroes 3 you MUST PLAY "Wayfarer".
http://www.maps4heroes.com/heroes3/maps.php?keywords=Wayfarer&type=&size=&difficulty=&sort=2
Probably the best friend for this map will be a Walk through if you are not a hard-core player.
Please share impossible and chalinging maps
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moko86
Hired Hero
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posted December 21, 2015 06:20 PM |
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Needed few tries to get this topic in the right place. I hope there is still players who are intrested in Heroes 3 SoD maps.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted December 21, 2015 06:34 PM |
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moko86
Hired Hero
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posted December 21, 2015 06:46 PM |
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Thank you very very much :-). I am starting Rise of the Sun King right away. I was just bashing my head looking for good map and you came with answer like christmas presant. Hohohoho Merry Christmas
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RoseKavalier
Admirable
Supreme Hero
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posted December 22, 2015 03:35 AM |
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moko86
Hired Hero
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posted December 22, 2015 09:14 AM |
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Thank you  nice to have good maps around. Nautilus maps are amazing and the Rise of the Sun King is exactly my type of maps spend 4 hours playing yestarday and i am still at day one but i love the ridles.
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Maciek
Known Hero
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posted December 22, 2015 01:29 PM |
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Since you don't seem to mind maps being in foreign language, I'll go ahead and recommend Limes Inferior. Haven't played it myself, but I've heard it's very hard. And also that it gets harder with time and that you're supposed to play it on 130% or 160% at most, because it's probably unwinnable on 200% (yeah, like anyone would listen to such warning  ). Not sure if you'll like it, it's certainly a different kind of challenge.
Word of warning about Rise of the Sun King: some battles are very long (AFAIR, one battle on day 1 has expected length around 300 turns with a lot of running around), so you better get Era with 'Safe SoD' and 'Turbo WoG' mods to speed up the animations. Also, if you're using HD mod, don't use HD+ option, it changes battlefield layouts and that could make some fights unwinnable. In a way, that map gets harder from day 2, less linear. I hope Der Operator won't refuse to move in your game. Good luck!
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moko86
Hired Hero
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posted December 22, 2015 02:20 PM |
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Maciek said:
Since you don't seem to mind maps being in foreign language, I'll go ahead and recommend [url=http://mapy.heroes.net.pl/mapa/505]Limes Inferior[/url]. Haven't played it myself, but I've heard it's very hard. And also that it gets harder with time and that you're supposed to play it on 130% or 160% at most, because it's probably unwinnable on 200% (yeah, like anyone would listen to such warning ). Not sure if you'll like it, it's certainly a different kind of challenge.
Word of warning about Rise of the Sun King: some battles are very long (AFAIR, one battle on day 1 has expected length around 300 turns with a lot of running around), so you better get Era with 'Safe SoD' and 'Turbo WoG' mods to speed up the animations. Also, if you're using HD mod, don't use HD+ option, it changes battlefield layouts and that could make some fights unwinnable. In a way, that map gets harder from day 2, less linear. I hope Der Operator won't refuse to move in your game. Good luck!
Thank you Maciek for the map. I read all yours and Salamandre cooments about the Rise of the Sun King. I founf v24.2 of the map in Biobob/Nautilus web site
https://sites.google.com/site/biobobslaboratory/games/heroes-3/nautilus-maps
and It looks that Der Operator is functional in it. I am stuck now on champions fight i try over 100 saves and still no moral :-(. By the way Maciek i got one of your saves on day one but unfortunatly before you fight the dead knights which on my first play i couldnt do bacause of all that waiting. Did you manage to fish the map ?
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Maciek
Known Hero
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posted December 22, 2015 04:03 PM |
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Nope. I didn't have a functional Operator and besides, I got somewhat confused on day 2, because there were so many places to go. Thanks for pointing me to a more recent version. I'll probably try the map again someday.
If you mean the fight between Boneman with 1 Champion and 200 Grand Elfs, then you don't need morale. It requires a different, 'Tactical', trick.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted December 22, 2015 04:48 PM |
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lol, looks like no one played Nautilus's maps more than one turn -me too, got stuck there for one week and when finished I felt no longer the force to continue.
I think he should vary his design, because a exclusive puzzle map isn't so entertaining to the point of reloading 50 times every battle.
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RoseKavalier
Admirable
Supreme Hero
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posted December 22, 2015 05:57 PM |
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Fight vs Elves you will need spirit of oppression (or insane RNG where you get Morale but elves don't).
I had similar problems with Rise of the Sun King, where opponents would always get Morale and I would never get it like Mr Fat vs Gogs. I had to start a new save because hundred of attempts didn't get me Morale once no matter what I did.
The fight vs. Dread Knights has a very nice setup in the first 3~4 rounds but after that it's just running around the same 2 tiles hoping for Morale 32 times. And you better hope you don't roll all low damage rolls 
I think later HDmod versions also have a fixed RNG where you always get the same result... so use at your own risk.
Genius but frustrating to rely on RNG so much.
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moko86
Hired Hero
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posted December 22, 2015 06:10 PM |
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RoseKavalier said:
Fight vs Elves you will need spirit of oppression (or insane RNG where you get Morale but elves don't).
I had similar problems with Rise of the Sun King, where opponents would always get Morale and I would never get it like Mr Fat vs Gogs. I had to start a new save because hundred of attempts didn't get me Morale once no matter what I did.
The fight vs. Dread Knights has a very nice setup in the first 3~4 rounds but after that it's just running around the same 2 tiles hoping for Morale 32 times. And you better hope you don't roll all low damage rolls
I think later HDmod versions also have a fixed RNG where you always get the same result... so use at your own risk.
Genius but frustrating to rely on RNG so much.
I never heard of that to be honest is it from some kind of heroes 3 mod like WoG as i play the oldest SoD version probably.
Maciek I try to look outside the box of your solutio but even that didnt help me pass this elves. Last time i play that map i pass them with moral but now it just doesnt want to happen. if i had a place to find 1000 exp. to gain level of Tactic skill it would be easy but there is nothing.
I started Metataxer's Revenge as well but not sure if it is bug but Mr. Fat gets attack with imps and 20 Rust Dragons by Sit Lock and I have only sharpshooters and 1 crystal dragon so dont see a solution there either.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted December 22, 2015 06:21 PM |
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@Rose Kavalier, you should lose your Era virginity by knocking TEW III. Yes, that one is the closest to tew2 mechanics and design
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Maciek
Known Hero
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posted December 22, 2015 09:14 PM |
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Champion vs Elfs:
AI can place its troops 1 tile further in Tactics phase.
Sir Lock:
There is some discussion of this battle on pages 5 and 6 of that thread. Biobob calls the tactics "full house".
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RoseKavalier
Admirable
Supreme Hero
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posted December 22, 2015 11:16 PM |
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@moko86
Another solution for Metataxer's.
HDmodimproves base SoD UI a lot. Unfortunately later versions have been focused on multiplayer and changes were made to prevent abuse of terrain, luck/morale abuse etc. It is very popular but you need an old version to play SP maps properly.
@Sal
I downloaded TEW4 and played until the first fight. But I got sidetracked after that with ideas for mapmaking...
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Maciek
Known Hero
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posted December 23, 2015 01:42 AM |
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Quote:
Unfortunately later versions have been focused on multiplayer and changes were made to prevent abuse of terrain, luck/morale abuse etc.
Are you sure of that? To me, that sounds like you just accidentally turned HD+ option on.
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RoseKavalier
Admirable
Supreme Hero
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posted December 23, 2015 01:55 AM |
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Yup I'm aware, but I still get random-seed issues without using HD+ compared to no HDmod at all. Genies/enchanters will always start casting the same spells.
In any case I have a pre-3.64 version for using HD+.
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Aionb
Known Hero
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posted December 23, 2015 09:29 AM |
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Edited by Aionb at 15:18, 24 Dec 2015.
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RoseKavalier said:
In any case I have a pre-3.64 version for using HD+.
Do you have such a version available for sharing? I stopped updating my HD mod at version 3.811 but I would like to have an older version (and I don't even have the installer for 3.811 anymore). Thank you.
Thanks again for sharing it.
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RoseKavalier
Admirable
Supreme Hero
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posted December 23, 2015 03:47 PM |
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moko86
Hired Hero
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posted December 24, 2015 01:23 AM |
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Salamandre said:
lol, looks like no one played Nautilus's maps more than one turn -me too, got stuck there for one week and when finished I felt no longer the force to continue.
I think he should vary his design, because a exclusive puzzle map isn't so entertaining to the point of reloading 50 times every battle.
Salamandre I am playing Nautilus other map Metataxer's Revenge and i read all the forums a lot about the map but couldnt get much about the fight with the 2 efrits at day one. Actually there are some contradictions even with Nautilus coments i think. One of those coments he said defeat the efrits on day one but than he explains the tactic and that the Elexir of life regenarate the HP of the unit but I dont have that elexir of life which actualy is located in the red heroes Double Bert. So this means that i need to win agains Double Bert in order to get the Elexir of Life but in this way i can attack efrrits on day 2. Maybe i am missing something big here in the picture. Plus i dont think it is possible to win against efrits without losses if i have no Elexir of life.
I saw in forums Nautilus/biobob said that you explain the solution here in the comunity forum but i couldnt find it. So if you can help it will be much apreciated.
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