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ill stay stupid and amazed lol
thanks im impressed by your posts
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<imo> the religous like peoples, is like to find the simple explanation of the Universe  , right after they have complete studying of the Classic Physics, Philosophy, or something like that, before a Relativity , The Quantum Magic, and so on. Then they taking a simple Mathematics, a very good example a "Golden Numbers" , I mean e - it is usually represented by such letter.
And then they trying to explain anything and everything ... they trying to find a "mega sacred numeric law of life" , and so on, of course without the any of the Scientific experiments, even the observations, or even the any sane attempt to prove it....
The result of all of this, is usually little bit. hmm, useless , and <imo> that have happened with Nikola Tesla too . . .
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posted October 27, 2016 07:42 PM |
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I'm here for 4 year circa, and Frosty is in higher rank. Thats intresting...
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I'm here for 4 year circa, and Frosty is in higher rank. Thats intresting...
offtopic - I am high ranked than you in what? 
Actually Nikola Tesla besides his Scientific skill, have a lot of the self-promote skills . <imo> This is one of the most important reasons why he is a such popular figure in the some beliefs-stuff .
But along with it, it is looks a very weird that the guys from fb-guys have placed some interest in the Nikola Tesla works, I have doubts that the fb-guys have interest in mr Nikola Tesla because if his "3 6 9 Universe" nonsense, I think they have try to find something more practical and close to the reality.
And also there was a times of the Manhattan Project, so the guys from that special agency have a lot of a very smart guys to examine the works of Nikola Tesla (the smart guys, was much more competent in the Science of Electromagnetic stuff than Nikola Tesla was, imho ), so the questions:
1) Why the fb-guys have expropriated the mr Tesla works?
a) They asked their Scientific-guys, of the works of the Nikola Tesla, and the Scie-guys answered that inside of this works can be something interesting.
---Controversy: If that so, the fb-guys will take the all of the works of mr Tesla, including the mr Tesla himself  , without the any confirm or even asking of the very mr Tesla, or the anyone else, before they do it , they will not need to wait until mr Tesla's death, this is ridiculous.
b) The fb-guys "working" with mr Tesla for a long time, and he was a part of their Sci-guys.
---Controversy: well, mr Tesla have some problems in the Psychology of Mind field, and he also like the public stuff, the combination of the above mentioned factors can give a large probability to mr Tesla just screw up the all of secrecy . This is a very unlikely to fb-guys accept such way of things.
2) Was the works of mr Tesla a very innovative and can it used as a successful weapon of someking?
a) The true, mr Tesla' "toys" can be used as an effective weapon.
---Controversy: A very unlikely, because modern Physics of the Electromagnetic stuff is on the a much more advanced level than it was in the time of mr Tesla, in combination to it, the many peoples nowadays have a much more better knowledge and the labaratories than mr Tesla have, if the mr Tesla has find something interesting, we have a huge probability that it may rediscovered through a very long time period after a mr Tesla death ~70 years, the modern Scientist have a access to the Internet, so they can easily publish their discoveries even before that can be "intercepted" .
So again it is a very unlikely that mr Tesla , with his archaic laboratory can discover something revolutionary. Perhaps his experiment is looks a very stylish and cool, but even a very poor EM-stuff laboratory for today have a much more powerful sources of energy , and so on.
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A technician tests one of the suspended mirrors of the Advanced LIGO detector at Livingston, Louisiana.
Has giant LIGO experiment seen gravitational waves?
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Well I am tired to type the things.... perhaps I will read this stuff about mr Tesla from fb-guys - Nikola Tesla (pdf), but <imo> it is looks like it have been obtained from a toilet room of the infantry barracks , but obviously it is a perfect food for the some "conspiracy minds" , and perhaps even the 1% of this toilet-paper is a true .
P.s. anyway a I like a fun conspiracy theories ...
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posted October 28, 2016 12:45 PM |
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It would be a good conversation frosty I would be honored if you and perhaps others wanted to bring it to the next thread lol
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Let's not let frostysh derail this thread with his nonsense. Here's an article that's actually interesting and worth pondering
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The Promise is believed to have only been screened to the public three times (we have contacted production company Survival Pictures for confirmation on this).
Imagine if Germany was that delusional about holocaust, just think about it. Oh Turkey, do you still want into UE?  I guess no, since Erdogan is now on friendlier terms with Putin after the Syrian fiasco.
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Celfious -
I am not syaing that the conspiracy have take no place on the Earth, I am saying that for the casual mortals (but not a government organizations that is fully supplied by a professionals and resources...) it is almost impossible to prove or disapprove this "secret stuff".
Usually "conspiracy guys" taking as a 100% truth, anything that is labeled "TS" , with a proper entourage , even if it is has been made from the toilet paper of the infantry barracks.
As for numerology of (i.e 3 6 9) - it is considered as a pseudoscience, and for a hell good reasons, at least in the Wikipedia article.
Again I am not saying that the relations between numbers have no place in the nature, a very good example of the opposite -
Omg omg this Euler's stuff is cool! , this Holy Saint Sacroiliac equation have a much more importance in the nature, than the any 3 6 9 , I am joking,
I mean the Mathematics is much more larger than just Polygonal Numbers. but what a representation of the all of this stuff in the Nature, well, the Physics can give the answer.
Why Physics of the nowadays so advanced and cool? This is perhaps because the Physicists is leading by the Scientific Method, but not by the "3 6 9 I have obtained a key to the Universe!"
LizardWarrior -
If you want to say something sane about the such common and has a wide spread, in the 20th c. AD government strategy such as the Genocide, but not to say a nonsense that you have posted. You need to be like the Sherlock Holmes
1) Ask yourself what can stop the government fro the genocide politics in that time, in the case of the Armenian genocide - almost nothin.
i.e. in the nowadays, if the government decide to stick with the genocide politics, the mass-media, and the public in the other government (countries) will judge it. Then any one of the formidable governments, such as US, RF, or CPR can easily start a war against "genocide guys", of course with their own motives..., but the result will be next - government that used genocide politics will be destroyed.
2) You need to find a motives, this is will be difficult, usually you will find the "motives" that has been used for make a "good" public way of thinking in the minds of the peoples of the genocide-pol. government. Usually Nationalism and/or Religion, or Communism "reasons" has been used to "whitewash your deeds before the God/Allah/Nation/Peoples. . . and so on.."
3) You need to take in account, that regardless of what actually happened, regardless of the motives of the genocide, in nowadays the genocide historical fact, will be used in the case of propaganda of the many different (even opposite) things.
in this example the Armenian genocide is used by uncle-sam guys, in the propaganda concerns, but this is not changing the fact, that genocide actually have took it's place in History.
4) Usually, the peoples that have never seen the any violence, or something near to killing of the innocent peoples process, in their life (this is especially in the Rich/Stable countries represented) have a controversial theories about the genocide politics, about the geopolitics, and so on, they can easily provide you with their, "mega-true" explanations of the History of 20th c. AD especially..., the geopolitics situation on the Earth, and so on..
Taking all this stuff, I can easily say that your posts is just a speculations. that have a very poor connection to the reality.
Of course the all above text is only <imo> . . .
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If you want to say something sane about the such common and has a wide spread, in the 20th c. AD government strategy such as the Genocide, but not to say a nonsense that you have posted. You need to be like the Sherlock Holmes
Not like this paragraph makes any sense whatsoever. You don't need to be a fictional detective to discuss a mass-murder of 1.5 million people and the fact that Turkey just tries to sweep that under the rug. Meanwhile, you, sir, need to posses a certain amount of common sense to actually engage in a thoughtful conversation, regardless on the platform it is held.
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1) Ask yourself what can stop the government fro the genocide politics in that time, in the case of the Armenian genocide - almost nothin.
Here you are, totally missing the point. It's not about stopping the Armenian genocide, because it already happened. Additionally you clearly have no further knowledge of the context of the genocide and neither will I bother explaining you years of history and the relations of the Ottoman Empire with its neighbors nor the politics concerning a dying empire, I would waste my time describing the Young Turk revolution, who Sukru Kaya is, the so-called "Russian insurrection" and so on. The main point of the article was the blatant dismiss of the Armenian genocide by quite a numerous number of Turkish residents that gave the lowest possible rating for a movie that only had 3 screenings, all outside of Turkey, solely based on the fact that it portrays the Armenian Genocide, which the Turkish state tries to blatantly sweep under the rug.
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i.e. in the nowadays, if the government decide to stick with the genocide politics, the mass-media, and the public in the other government (countries) will judge it. Then any one of the formidable governments, such as US, RF, or CPR can easily start a war against "genocide guys", of course with their own motives..., but the result will be next - government that used genocide politics will be destroyed.
Stop spewing random nonsense. Turkey wasn't "destroyed", even if it was on the losing side of the war and the trials from the Treaty of Sevres were a total joke.
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2) You need to find a motives, this is will be difficult, usually you will find the "motives" that has been used for make a "good" public way of thinking in the minds of the peoples of the genocide-pol. government. Usually Nationalism and/or Religion, or Communism "reasons" has been used to "whitewash your deeds before the God/Allah/Nation/Peoples. . . and so on.."
Motives aren't excuses. There's no excuse for murdering 1.5 million, period. This moreover has nothing to do with the subject, the article was talking about the backlash a movie got solely based on a controversial subject, that is simply dismissed by certain individuals even though there exists a truckload of evidence.
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3) You need to take in account, that regardless of what actually happened, regardless of the motives of the genocide, in nowadays the genocide historical fact, will be used in the case of propaganda of the many different (even opposite) things.
in this example the Armenian genocide is used by uncle-sam guys, in the propaganda concerns, but this is not changing the fact, that genocide actually have took it's place in History.
Only, that there is a significant amount of evidence coming from different sources that prove the genocide happened. Be it photos, state funded massacres, concentration camps, official telegraphs and documents, 3rd party witnesses, the actual intervention of various nations and people that tried stopping the genocide, including the Pope Benedict.
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4) Usually, the peoples that have never seen the any violence, or something near to killing of the innocent peoples process, in their life (this is especially in the Rich/Stable countries represented) have a controversial theories about the genocide politics, about the geopolitics, and so on, they can easily provide you with their, "mega-true" explanations of the History of 20th c. AD especially..., the geopolitics situation on the Earth, and so on..
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know the context and then come and post some boilerplate stuff and trying to pose as a know-it-all.
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Taking all this stuff, I can easily say that your posts is just a speculations. that have a very poor connection to the reality.
Anyone that denies the Armenian genocide or tries to justify it has a very poor connection to the reality.
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posted October 28, 2016 09:02 PM |
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frosty this is the tesla thread now thanks for your interest
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Not like this paragraph makes any sense whatsoever
it is makes sense if we want to try to objective with such historical precedents as genocide politics.
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Yes yo do not, also you do not need to forgot a useful methods that has been used by this fictional detective, i.e. you can place yourself as a government of the ottoman Empire, and then ask yourself "If I want to involve the genocide politics, what of the well known factor can stop me?", btw 1,5 millions it is a small scale compared to the other examples, and I think such facts can be easily buried under a layers of a lie, fortunately for us, and unfortunately for the Ottoman Empire government of that time, Ottoman Empire was in a conditions that makes a difficult to hide such facts of such genocide politics.
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Did you expected a different habit? I am did not.
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Here you are, totally missing the point. It's not about stopping the Armenian genocide, because it already happened. Additionally you clearly have no further knowledge of the context of the genocide and neither will I bother explaining you years of history and the relations of the Ottoman Empire with its neighbors nor the politics concerning a dying empire, I would waste my time describing the Young Turk revolution, who Sukru Kaya is, the so-called "Russian insurrection" and so on. The main point of the article was the blatant dismiss of the Armenian genocide by quite a numerous number of Turkish residents that gave the lowest possible rating for a movie that only had 3 screenings, all outside of Turkey, solely based on the fact that it portrays the Armenian Genocide, which the Turkish state tries to blatantly sweep under the rug.
I am not focusing on the motives of the genocide politics, and I have doubts that the reason of this fact can be found so easily... instead I am focusing on the fact itself, but if you want to enlighten me about the the motives, historical pre-history and causes, I will be appreciated.
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Stop spewing random nonsense. Turkey wasn't "destroyed", even if it was on the losing side of the war and the trials from the Treaty of Sevres were a total joke
You are speculating, and using selectivi reading of my post.
1) Of course Ottoman Empire/Turkey was not destroyed, because of beginning of 20th c. AD,
2) You can imagine an extermination of 1,5 millions of peoples by Turkish Government, with same methods as Ottoman Government used in the beginning of 20th c. AD, this will be the last decision that Turkish Government will make...
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Motives aren't excuses. There's no excuse for murdering 1.5 million, period. This moreover has nothing to do with the subject, the article was talking about the backlash a movie got solely based on a controversial subject, that is simply dismissed by certain individuals even though there exists a truckload of evidence.
I am sorry, but I have not saw the movie itself, so I cannot judge. But the genocide politics was a common in the 20th century AD, the Ottoman Empire is not an exception from this list.
<imo> this was one of the worst possible scenarios of human society on the Earth Evolution, denying, whitewashing, hiding, forgot, such things will lead to the horrific results in the future of mankind.
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Only, that there is a significant amount of evidence coming from different sources that prove the genocide happened. Be it photos, state funded massacres, concentration camps, official telegraphs and documents, 3rd party witnesses, the actual intervention of various nations and people that tried stopping the genocide, including the Pope Benedict.
The effective propaganda can make the worth of the all of this facts - something near to zero.
i.e. the neo-natio guys, think that the holocaust was a good things, "a nature selections" of somekind.
the red-ones, think that stalin's purges and the great hand-made starvation was an effective an unavoidable things. and so on . . .
the same will be with the turkish guys, after they become a target of propaganda.
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. You don't know the context and then come and post some boilerplate stuff and trying to pose as a know-it-all.
I have a very good examples of how the peoples in the rich/stable countries feels themselves about such things.
i.e. an euthanasia of a single dog, can gather a millions of the "feel sorrow" guys in the facebook by a short time, but the a vERY low amount of peoples cares about the thousands victims of the everyday slaughtering of the cattle, in the industrial slaughtering fabrics or the tens of dead in horrific suffering children in the Somalia everyday .
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as I said, the propaganda can easily make a millions of the peoples that will deny it ...
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It's true that your average Turkish citizen is in denial about the Armenian Genocide and what had been done is in no way justifiable but the Holocaust and the Armenian Genicode are very different things in every aspect imaginable. Most people have a tendency to paste an assumed Nazi mentality to anything involving the word genocide which is a very misleading oversimplification.
I would like to talk about this in detail with proper links and stuff but I'm not in Istanbul for a few months, they found this old public libary in Ayvalik and I will be transferring its inventory to digital platform. The internet is slow and I connect with a phone on limited quota. So, later...
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I didnt fact check this,
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Utterly lacking normal human restraint, the old Norse berserks, who
lived alone in the brutal Scandanvian wilderness, would enter a
frenzied state of collective groupmind called "berserkgang," theorized
to be brought on by a combination of excessive alcohol intake and
psychedelic mushroom consumption. Entering "berserkgang" flooded their
bodies with pure adrenaline and disregard for survival instincts,
basically turning them into mindless slaughtering machines. One
berserker was said to have become so crazed that he ate his own shield
just so he could continue killing the enemy without protection, and
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artu -
The mentality is just a mentality, the another factor from a many different factors.
If we are talking about genocide with such scale of the victims, in the industrial/early_industrial societies. I think I can make a approximately scheme of it.
The information gathering ------------->
The gathering information about the current situation in the state/country, this is including a very wide range of factors and fields, i.e. a diplomatic, the current mentalities in the society, the religious, economical situations, inter-state relations, etc, etc....
The model creation ------------->
On this phase the "guys that is in the rule" creating a model of possible genocidal politics, applied to their state, countries, so on. The many factors counting there, such us different risks, the reaction of the society, of the another countries, the period after the genocidal politics, the benefits, and so on, and so on . . .
The decision, Yes/No? ------------->
This is the time to make a decision, by a single "center", based on the above mentioned models, and information.
Yes ------------->
The many specific orders are giving to the entire "system" of the state/country, etc, to the special services, to the army, and to the anything that can be involved in the genocidal politics, the orders can be a very complicated, but the main thing will be something like this - "Search and destroy...".
The actual process of the genocidal politics ------------->
On this phase, the entire system of the state, trying to apply the the giving to it orders into the life, of course something will going wrong, something will going as it is predicted, the many other different things can happens on this stage. The genocidal politics can be stopped due to this new factor, or even enhanced.
The post genocidal politics measures ------------->
In short - "burrow the truth as deep as possible, the more layers of lie, the better", the important persons of the genocide politic, usually becoming the target of such "measures", and usually their fate is no different from the victims of the actual genocide . Destroying as much data as possible, the falsification as much data as possible, especially the official Archives that will be a primary target for the Historians, and investigators. The Propaganda everywhere, especially in the schools, and similar institutions that involving work with young population.
In the ideal, preventing "the whistleblowers" in the other countries to "wake up this topic, in the mass-media, and so on" .
And many other measures.
In this case, in this general case, the Armenian genocide is same as the Nazi stuff or the Red Ones. It is a different from i.e. a popular in the primitive societies of the Africa kinds of the tribal like, spontaneous genocide. But even there, we can find a evidence of the well-planned stuff sometimes, I think so.
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posted November 01, 2016 01:53 PM |
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In this case it's more about the "create and sustain an enemy" mentality which the US political elite is nurturing domestically ever since World War II. No difference from what the USSR did during the Cold War, Hitler before that, etc.
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artu said:
It's true that your average Turkish citizen is in denial about the Armenian Genocide and what had been done is in no way justifiable but the Holocaust and the Armenian Genicode are very different things in every aspect imaginable. Most people have a tendency to paste an assumed Nazi mentality to anything involving the word genocide which is a very misleading oversimplification.
Agree Artu. I've read that the Empire feared the Armenian's siding with Russia. If that is true than the Religion might have been a convenient brush. Used at the time by the Empire? or if not, later by people telling the horrible news?
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I would like to talk about this in detail with proper links and stuff but I'm not in Istanbul for a few months, they found this old public libary in Ayvalik and I will be transferring its inventory to digital platform. The internet is slow and I connect with a phone on limited quota. So, later...
I for one would like to read the truth surrounding what actually occurred. No matter what the facts are, it is not a story that has received much print or talk and <imo> that is not always but sometimes it can be a sign of corrupted reporting. Btw, How old is the library?
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the Holocaust and the Armenian Genicode are very different things in every aspect imaginable.
a very misleading oversimplification.
Come on Markkur, tell me you don't see the irony behind such bombastic phrasing.
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It's not an ancient library, of course. Most books are from 60's or 70's. It's in one of the periperhical villages surrounding Ayvalik. My grandmother was giving away her old books for charity back in her hometown, when she came upon this village, they said, "oh we have some books." And it turned out they had this forgotten library and now the books will be recorded in a digital inventory. I needed to get away from the inner city blues a while, so I told them, I'd do it.
Religion had almost nothing to do with the Armenian Genocide. Last century of the empire is, as it got weaker and weaker confronting the advancement of Western industrialism and colonialism, a century of struggling with nationalist rebellions. (Which were independence wars from their perspective but they also brought a lot of slaughter of the Turkish folks nevertheless, since they usually involved angry and aggrivated mobs with pitchforks.) Armenian nationalists tried the same thing, right in the middle of WW 1. The answer to that, shouldn't have been to force all the Armenian citizens of the empire to exile, under conditions which meant certain death (more angry mobs again, overzealous local officials who drowened them by throwing them off the boats at the Black Sea, disease, cold, hunger...) But the Ottoman government didn't care, Armenian lives were the least of their worries at the time. However, it's not some ideological wipe out like the Holocaust, their motive was not "to cleanse the world of the Armenian race." For instance, in Istanbul and Izmir, Armenians werent exiled since these were big cities not in danger of any local bloodshed. The Ottoman officers thought of themselves as on defense, unlike the Nazis. They were brutal because they believed that was the only way to save the state, and the way they were traditionally trained, you exist to serve the state and the Sultan.
On paper, the Armenian exile was supposed to be something like USA's imprisonment of Japanese-American citizens during WW 2, on a much greater scale. But it didn't work that way, I think it was pretty obvious it wasnt going to, they just looked the other way because they were desperate and panicking themselves. WW 1 literally ended the empire.
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a typo propaganda junk.
1) Mr. Blum is a victim of a propaganda, in this case he is need move his assist from the kitchen, and look for the real world by himself,
2) Or Mr. Blum is a well known about how things is going on, in this case mr Blum is ahh, . . . is not a victim of the propaganda , but ahh, a source of a poor thing .
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William Blum always hits a nerve when it comes to American foreign policy.
Mr. Blum is far from reality, be more preciously, he is a poor victim of the propaganda in the best of cases .
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In this case it's more about the "create and sustain an enemy" mentality which the US political elite is nurturing domestically ever since World War II. No difference from what the USSR did during the Cold War, Hitler before that, etc.
As for my experience, it is a typo position of the human, that ahh, have a very illusion picture of the SU, and it's history  .
Well, as from my experience, in case of the SU history, sometimes just better to check something by yourself, than read a tons of a junk-paper books .
What can frostysh say about history of the paradise like 20th century AD , in the Eurasia, - well, the Nazi German was a poor noobs, in case of the genocidal politics comparing to the SU .
Just to be remarked, a many peoples in the RF government for today, is actually 50-80 years old .
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The answer to that, shouldn't have been to force all the Armenian citizens of the empire to exile, under conditions which meant certain death (more angry mobs again, overzealous local officials who drowened them by throwing them off the boats at the Black Sea, disease, cold, hunger...) But the Ottoman government didn't care,
It is a a nonsense, or perhaps you have some interest in presenting of this stuff from the one particular side
1) Such operations as a deportations of the lot amount of peoples, is thing that decided on the highest level possible of the government, with counting of the all benefits, risks, and so on, and usually the planning taking a very long time.
2) The government of the Ottoman Empire was fully aware of the situation, and they choosing the methods that will obviously leads to the genocide.
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The correction, not their lives, but the death of the lot amount of the armenians was the primary worries of the government of the Ottoman Empire in that time.
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However, it's not some ideological wipe out like the Holocaust, their motive was not "to cleanse the world of the Armenian race." For instance, in Istanbul and Izmir, Armenians werent exiled since these were big cities not in danger of any local bloodshed. The Ottoman officers thought of themselves as on defense, unlike the Nazis. They were brutal because they believed that was the only way to save the state, and the way they were traditionally trained, you exist to serve the state and the Sultan.
A nonsense, that was a primary military operations the goal of which - to neutralize in any possible way (be more precariously - to kill). The operation itself, has been done by a well motivated peoples, that have received a specific order - in this case, it is no difference from Nazi or SU, or CPR.
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On paper, the Armenian exile was supposed to be something like USA's imprisonment of Japanese-American citizens during WW 2
Yep, in both cases the goal was - to neutralize.
And no, it was not the same, because US government not did it "in the any possible way", there was a many restriction, and this program after some time has been stopped. At least according the Wikipedia.
I think in the realities of US in that time, to kill a lot amount of peoples inside of territory of the US, with such methods as Ottoman Empire used , was almost an impossible. But this is just <imo>
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