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Tsar-Ivor
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posted January 09, 2016 10:59 AM |
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And in the end, US armed forces just came to protect US interests, it was never about peace or ending conflict or bringing happines.
That's an issue of motivation, regardless of that their actions may still inadvertantly promote peace and stability.
I for one and strongly opposed to American imperialism, they have neither been appointed nor accepted as a world leader and frankly anyone dumb enough to swallow the red scare propaganda should do some research, the Soviet Union was in no position to expand or to incorporate any more, they were at breaking point. The social movements in the west had absolutely nothing to do with the Bolshevik regime in the Soviet Union, twas merely American absolutism and paranoia that made them out to be so (Look at Yugoslavia's relation to the USSR in the early 1950s), and I for one am tired of paying the price for America's mental problems, and I'm tired of having to swallow their propaganda (Thank god with the recent landslide election of Labour's new leader we're finally starting to have politicians who agree).
The truth of the matter is, we've been fighting on the wrong side in the war against terror, for the greatest global terrorists reside in the states. Anyone trying to instill widespread fear and hysteria to fuel their ungodly, unjust and illegal wars are terrorists plain and simple. This is most certainly not refuted by a claim that "but it boosts stability and safety". Considering the US is actively trying to destabalize regions with their tactics I'd say this statement is nothing but a bad joke.
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William
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posted January 09, 2016 11:51 AM |
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Yes they should. I'd like my own country, Australia, to also pull out but we can't because we have an alliance with England who, in turn, has an alliance with the United States. Fighting for peace is a ridiculous notion and contradicts itself. Never believed in it and the US always feels the need to intervene like they are the world superpower. That annoys me because then we have to get involved.
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posted January 09, 2016 03:03 PM |
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I concur.
Right now the US stationed some troops in Lithuania, and with the whole maidan bull going on, it's just like a bait for the dead drunk Ivan to attack. Not that it's working, but our dear commie government is trying it's best to provoke the bear.
I live nearby a "top secret" training ground. I can hear the gunshots rather well. Sometimes I find dummy rounds in the woods nearby.
And I often seen soldiers in Lithuanian uniforms, that have zero baltic/slavic features in their faces. And bearded. Lithuanian army prohibits beards.
But hey, that's what you get for living in a buffer state.
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phe
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posted January 09, 2016 03:13 PM |
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Edited by phe at 15:26, 09 Jan 2016.
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Go home and disband with the rest.
They create conflicts to have something to do and to excuse huge spendings in budget.
No one needs an ally who kill and mistreat innocent people by mind control, earthquakes etc.
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Neraus
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posted January 09, 2016 03:40 PM |
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I would love it if Americans got out of Sicily, and demolished the MUOS before they left.
But realistically it would never happen...
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fred79
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posted January 09, 2016 04:09 PM |
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phe said:
They create conflicts to have something to do and to excuse huge spendings in budget.
this. so much, this.
phe said:
No one needs an ally who kill and mistreat innocent people by mind control, earthquakes etc.
what? 
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Kayna
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posted January 09, 2016 06:59 PM |
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I don't know. I snow often about the Americans, but they aren't the only self centered snows around. Plenty of other governments trample on the little people like they don't give a f---. I'd say a good portion of the US military should return home, yes.
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Salamandre
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posted January 09, 2016 07:14 PM |
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Don't know, usually I am inclined to think US military is pissing everyone outside US, nobody is asking them to stay then an overwhelming majority of american citizens are for military expenses cuts.
However, Pakistan and India have the bomb, Iran will probably have the bomb, North Korea is parano and has the bomb, Russia is frustrated, China is growing then Israel is surrounded by people believing they will bang 72 virgins if dying in hero. People were never such irascible and vocal, even on minor topics. If a major conflict detonates, France will run out of bombs and bullets in one day then Germany has no army. Then who we will turn toward? Portugal? Come on.
Peace has a price. And that price is the USA military expenses and international presence.
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posted January 09, 2016 07:17 PM |
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Another question would be, can all US forces return home? Once you tie your economy to your global power, it's not exactly a very easy thing to do. The only empire I can think of at the moment, doing such a thing without a major collapse is the Great Britain and they gradually shifted their power to the U.S.A. while remaining a close ally.
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Kayna
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posted January 09, 2016 08:47 PM |
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Of course American soldiers could return home. Their economy may depend on it, but half their budget is allocated to their army. Drop that percentage to 10 percent only, tell soldiers to find jobs elsewhere, and you got a totally standard country that works.
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Zenofex
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posted January 09, 2016 09:32 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Peace has a price. And that price is the USA military expenses and international presence.
That'd be true if the US military presence in other countries guaranteed peace but there are plenty of examples for the opposite. Moreover, it's not like the US is not deliberately destabilizing certain countries (5 billions for "building democracy" in Ukraine, for example) to further its own goals so as a peace-keeper it's fairly worthless, even counter-productive. The EU should have started developing its own security and military, independent from NATO, more than 20 years ago, it's still not too late though.
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xerox
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posted January 09, 2016 09:42 PM |
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Obama's weak foreign policy has made the world an unstable mess these last years. We need a larger American military precense in the world, not for it to withdraw.
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posted January 09, 2016 09:44 PM |
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What do you consider a strong foreign policy?
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xerox
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posted January 09, 2016 09:54 PM |
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Long-term military involvement in Iraq, sending the Navy to the Black Sea to counter the Russian annexation of Ukraine territory is some of the things that'd be needed.
Also to anyone who's surprised to see me, I won't be here for long. I am fading from this community and finding life in another world.
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xerox
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posted January 09, 2016 09:55 PM |
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Also no fly zone in Syria. (Sorry can't edit on phone for some reason.)
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blizzardboy
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posted January 09, 2016 09:58 PM |
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I think US policy has been pretty decent in the past 8 years.
Since the US is a leader, it has the power to set a policy and prompt other nations to follow suit. What really could have been better is if the US were to exert its power to establish a safe zone which includes boots on the ground from the US & company, so that refugees can freely move there and ISIS wouldn't be able to follow. That way when the conflict eventually cools off they can resettle in their home environment. Instead you have huge numbers flooding Europe and some into the US, and among other tensions, apparently sexually assaulting women is considered cool.
I think a safe zone would have been a happy medium between telling the refugees to screw off, and letting large swathes of them abruptly land in a foreign culture & environment. Perhaps some of them could still migrate, especially to central Europe which is desperate for warm bodies, but in less dramatic numbers all at once.
But it's water under the bridge.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 09, 2016 10:00 PM |
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xerox said:
Long-term military involvement in Iraq, sending the Navy to the Black Sea to counter the Russian annexation of Ukraine territory is some of the things that'd be needed.
Also to anyone who's surprised to see me, I won't be here for long. I am fading from this community and finding life in another world.
Hi mortal! Bye mortal! 
And your post, maybe, but not on our territory. I don't really feel like becoming a Conscript in an eventual hopeless war in which we'd be in the front line. Didn't go so well when they last tried that against Russia 
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Minion
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posted January 09, 2016 10:02 PM |
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All of the Western world needs USA as a military deterrent. That is a fact. But you don't need to be everywhere...
Especially those lunatic people saying there should be "no fly zones in Syria" - soon we are looking at a WW3. And we do not want that. No sir we dont.
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Zenofex
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posted January 09, 2016 10:06 PM |
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Since the US is a leader, it has the power to set a policy and prompt other nations to follow suit.
In case you ever wonder why so many people around the world consider you guys a bunch of arrogant ignorants who can only run their mouths from a safe distance, just because you've never seen war of European proportions or directly faced the results of your "leadership", you may refer to that sentence.
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blizzardboy
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posted January 10, 2016 01:21 AM |
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Tell you what. Make a serious response claiming that that sentence isn't true, and I'll apologize "for being arrogant". What is your view? That the US doesn't enjoy a leadership position? That it doesn't have influence over other nations' policies?
Otherwise, deal with it. In 40 years or so you can have a jolly good time seeing China be the top dog. You won't have to put up with US supremacy in politics anymore. The long-term survival of the EU (unfortunately) is uncertain at this point, let alone a deeper alliance, so I wouldn't be having any dreams over a grand Europe lurking just over the crest of the next hill.
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