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VokialBG
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posted February 12, 2016 10:42 PM |
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Send them here. We can be gladly a US state 
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Svartzorn
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posted February 12, 2016 11:30 PM |
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artu said:
What was the original post:
artu said:
Well, I find the whole objection on consumer culture thing a little hypocrite. Everybody allegedly complains about it but when you look at something like the movie thread for example, the very same people only talk about comic book movies or similar big-budget action films, which are like the perfect embodiment of consumer culture. It is easier than ever to follow the world classics or contemporary international cinema today, thanks to the internet, but only a few of us do that.
The truth is, America doesnt exactly force it's popular culture on anyone, people usually consume it because it's easier to consume.
So, unless you live in some tribal commune which doesn't have the technology to produce films, record music or publish books, technological superiority has hardly anything to do with what I mention, does it?
The US can be criticized for many things, I also criticize their politics a lot. But people liking their formulaic, easy to consume products, is not their crime. It's just how most people are, they are usually lazy to dig any deeper. Also, Americans certainly don't lack creativity, the formulaic, shallow stuff feeds and trains the sector and every once in a while, they manage to produce actually good stuff on a very professional level because of that. When the sector is bigger, it attracts more talent. Take their TV shows for example, there is enormous amount of crap but meanwhile in the last decade, some of their shows elevated to the level of quality cinema. My favorite TV shows are American, not Turkish, simply because they are written and executed better, not because globalism shoves them in my mouth.
Consumer culture is one of the aspects, but it's not the only one.
You seem to not acknowledge the fact that people are pushing american culture in a global scale. I do not need to debate with someone that doesn't take an obvious fact into consideration.
I'll concede that americans are indeed very good at producing consuming goods, but that's pretty much it. They have no tradition, period.
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fred79
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posted February 13, 2016 12:27 AM |
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Svartzorn said:
They have no tradition, period.
wrong. we have a tradition of firearms, overreacting, and being overly critical of outsiders. 
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted February 13, 2016 12:49 PM |
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That's Erdogan, not Juncker, btw.
Meh, I think you're right, wish it had a dash infront of the segment though, all it says is "Erdogan says" then a paragraph of speech, just assumed he was asking a hypothetical question then carried on to answer it.
Wait, no I'm dumb, I just read what I wrote, in my essay I attributed it to Erdogan so I thought I made a mistake there lol.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted February 13, 2016 01:00 PM |
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fred79 said:
Svartzorn said:
They have no tradition, period.
wrong. we have a tradition of firearms, overreacting, and being overly critical of outsiders.
And especially in the South which is why I like it. 
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Stevie
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posted February 13, 2016 01:44 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 14:20, 13 Feb 2016.
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artu said:
3 votes, including Herry and Stevie, not exactly a mystery, is it, dear friend. Thanks for the compliment, btw.
You're proving your wisdom right here and now with that petty comment, aren't you? Not a mystery, huh? If anyone we're to see behind that provoking insinuation, the simple truth is that you don't like me and I don't like you (for the most part) and not because of your sophistry on specific subjects, but because you're way too opinionated about yourself and too belittling of others. You have no tact or diplomacy in a debate especially when it gets heated and contradictory, you're just painting a target on the opposition to blast with acidic rhetoric and unwelcome insinuations such as above. And let's make this even more clear than it already is, this is not only an opinion of mine, this is something many people think of you and also the reason you got warned by Corribus himself. Just so I don't end this on unfriendly terms, you can be reasonable at times and you always bring something to the table. Try not to let anything outshine that.
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posted February 13, 2016 02:05 PM |
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Also artu, you are many things, but boring is not one of them for me. Which is why I voted for Slipknot dude in that category.
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artu
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posted February 13, 2016 05:25 PM |
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Stevie said:
artu said:
3 votes, including Herry and Stevie, not exactly a mystery, is it, dear friend. Thanks for the compliment, btw.
You're proving your wisdom right here and now with that petty comment, aren't you? Not a mystery, huh? If anyone we're to see behind that provoking insinuation, the simple truth is that you don't like me and I don't like you (for the most part) and not because of your sophistry on specific subjects, but because you're way too opinionated about yourself and too belittling of others. You have no tact or diplomacy in a debate especially when it gets heated and contradictory, you're just painting a target on the opposition to blast with acidic rhetoric and unwelcome insinuations such as above. And let's make this even more clear than it already is, this is not only an opinion of mine, this is something many people think of you and also the reason you got warned by Corribus himself. Just so I don't end this on unfriendly terms, you can be reasonable at times and you always bring something to the table. Try not to let anything outshine that.
I don't think this is the place to discuss my personality Stevie, but what you don't get is I'm only "tactless" under certain conditions, as I mentioned earlier, when ignorance is combined with arrogance. I don't feel animosity towards ignorant people when they are sincere and open-minded, I also don't mind arrogance if the person who's being arrogant holds an exceptionally witty or originally clever position while doing that. Defending incredibly shallow ideas with an unshakable conviction that they are cognitive pearls however, sometimes indeed pisses me off. When that happens, and not very often but it does happen, Corribus does interfere. Not because I have trouble with contradictory ideas but, for example, when something as illogical and cuckoo as "BBC knew about the collapse" is presented with a manner of "hah ha, got you," it simply annoys me. I am more than reasonable and ready to be convinced to an alternative idea when the opposition makes sense. I had dozens of arguments with people such as JJ, Sal, Zenofex, Blizz, Markkur, Corribus, Orzie, Meroe etc. and at times we disagreed strongly. I never used "the acidic rhetoric" then, did I. You are being a hypocrite, I remember when you were newbie here, it was you who was being provocative, getting penalty after penalty for it (I never did, btw), but you soon realized you are not the smart ass you dreamed you were and held back. Nowadays, you still make some sneaky comments here and there sometimes and when you do, acid rain's gonna fall. When you don't, bring an opinion or ask something in a normal manner, I reply accordingly.
And what I "insinuated" was only that your vote was based on your personal feelings, which you just approved, since "if I always bring something to the table" your problem with me is certainly not about boredom.
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Stevie
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posted February 13, 2016 08:04 PM |
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fred79
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posted February 19, 2016 09:50 PM |
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artu
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posted February 20, 2016 03:18 AM |
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Svartzorn said:
Consumer culture is one of the aspects, but it's not the only one. You seem to not acknowledge the fact that people are pushing american culture in a global scale. I do not need to debate with someone that doesn't take an obvious fact into consideration.
I'll concede that americans are indeed very good at producing consuming goods, but that's pretty much it. They have no tradition, period
I love how every time you get stuck and someone presents a flaw in your arguments, you try to make it sound like you don't bother to argue anymore, combined with your cocky obsession to always say the last word, you usually blow it and end up in cliches. First of all, I haven't said American culture wasn't invasive, on the contrary, while acknowledging that it was to some degree, I said most people who complain about this were being hypocrites, cause often, while complaining, all they invest their time in was the most shallow products from U.S. However, I wouldn't use the words "pushing culture" so lightly. It's not a new phenomenon. Historically, any economical, hence military major power eventually also has political power, which results in assimilation of others to some degree. Now, to some degree is the important part here, because if a culture is productive and creative enough, even though it will still be open to influences, it will never completely transform out of its characteristics by external force. Actually, in some cases, the "invaded culture" turns out so strong, it ends up assimilating the invaders, such as in Romans adapting to Greek culture, Mongols adapting to the Chinese or the Arabic bedouin Islam turning into an urban religion once they invade the Persians.
America is a young nation, yes, but not that young, they do have some social tradition. That (having traditions) is not necessarily always a positive thing though. There are empires that collapse, nations that fall to pieces, religions that degenerate because they get stuck on tradition. Traditions slowly and naturally, gradually die out once the conditions that cause them to develop, disappear. For instance, in a world with birth control, paternity tests, in a world where women are seen as individuals rather than property of men, in a world where people don't marry when they are 16, the tradition of sanctifying virginity, or to simply giving a damn about it, fades away. Not in a single generation, but it does fade away. In the end , some symbolism in art or religious ritual may be left away stripped out of its original purpose but nobody will care if their wife is a virgin on their wedding night. And it is a really good thing many traditions go down the drain of history that way. Traditions related to nationalism or religion, I wish Americans (or anybody else) didn't have them but they do unfortunately. Many of the traditions dying out in this world of ours only deserve one farewell: Good riddance. Anyway, I guess, you prefer to dream of yourself as a conservative Christian and pure traditionalist in the OSM and keep the girl in bikini posters for the VW only, didn't that calendar girl tradition start in the US, btw...
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