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hayenne
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posted March 14, 2017 03:51 PM |
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Edited by hayenne at 16:58, 14 Mar 2017.
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Don't worry Galaad, we won't stop posting useful stuff here 
Like this:
As posted before, it was noticed by many that recycling 5 identical creatures always produces perfect result, with tokens, evolving materials or tomes. Yesterday I took advantage of half energy cost for Tower 16 and farmed it extensively until I max awakened my ant (which is a great small creature by the way). In the process I got many spare Emberwings and Wyverns and found out I could replenish my Soldier tome shortage by recycling them in groups (because all three: the ant, the Emberwing and the Wyvern share the same basic attack type: the Soldier). I gained some 15 tomes which is not too shabby for a task I needed to do anyway.
It might be better than farming low level quests.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted March 14, 2017 04:39 PM |
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hayenne said:
Don't worry Galaad, we won't stop posting useful stuff here
Like this:
As posted before, it was noticed by many that recycling 5 creatures of the same type always produces perfect result, with tokens, evolving materials or tomes. Yesterday I took advantage of half energy cost for Tower 16 and farmed it extensively until I max awakened my ant (which is a great small creature by the way). In the process I got many spare Emberwings and Wyverns and found out I could replenish my Soldier tome shortage by recycling them in groups (because all three: the ant, the Emberwing and the Wyvern share the same basic attack type: the Soldier). I gained some 15 tomes which is not too shabby for a task I needed to do anyway.
It might be better than farming low level quests.
It doesn't work with creaturs of the same type however.
If you put on 5 random yellow creatures for example, you don't get perfect, if you recycle 5 yellow cat mages however, you always get a perfect.
At least it worked on my (over 80) hyena's. It felt like a 1000 though, there was no end on the 1/2 dot hyena's...
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 14, 2017 04:46 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 16:48, 14 Mar 2017.
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Yes it only guarantees perfect if it's identical creatures.
Rakshasa92 said:
It felt like a 1000 though, there was no end on the 1/2 dot hyena's...
I agree, I don't know why the rate is so low for these, thousands of gnolls, hyenas and kobolds with a maximum of 2 dots. Farming the quest 50 times should be enough to guarantee at least a 3 dot, that is not the interesting part and the game asks for too much playing time for that as it is imo. I don't understand either the limitation of quick battle coins you can buy a day.
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hayenne
Known Hero
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posted March 14, 2017 05:01 PM |
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Sorry guys, that's what I meant. I amended my post.
I guess 3+ dot count is difficult to achieve because it's a rare creature, therefore the chance is really low. It was much better on epic creatures.
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted March 14, 2017 05:10 PM |
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I think when you use a quick coin, you should keep your energy.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 14, 2017 05:12 PM |
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hayenne said:
I guess 3+ dot count is difficult to achieve because it's a rare creature, therefore the chance is really low. It was much better on epic creatures.
Great Wish Quest in King are difficult to achieve. Farming the same event quest over a hundred time is not a challenge and starts to become tedious when actively playing the Event every day lets you with a regular 2 dots from which you have enough dupes to awaken three times. True that the Epic has a better rate so there is at least some guarantee of getting one of these 3 dots fully awakened, but the smaller sizes are awfully needed for dungeon defense which is already as bad as it is.
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dulkan
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posted March 14, 2017 05:16 PM |
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Another interesting thing would be to calculate how much each gem is worth and what you need to get a creature up to 90 immediately. IO'll keep an eyeon that the next time I level creatures.
Those grand wishes on king are a real chore. It takes so long to kill anything in there.
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted March 14, 2017 05:26 PM |
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Galaad said:
hayenne said:
I guess 3+ dot count is difficult to achieve because it's a rare creature, therefore the chance is really low. It was much better on epic creatures.
Great Wish Quest in King are difficult to achieve. Farming the same event quest over a hundred time is not a challenge and starts to become tedious when actively playing the Event every day lets you with a regular 2 dots from which you have enough dupes to awaken three times. True that the Epic has a better rate so there is at least some guarantee of getting one of these 3 dots fully awakened, but the smaller sizes are awfully needed for dungeon defense which is already as bad as it is.
While I agree it's tedious and a chorus at some point I also feel it's sort of rewarding because you are more or less guaranteed of creatures (even if they are only 1 or 2 dots).
I think it's okay rare creatures have a low 3-4 dot rate, else everyone would have them and there would be no variety.
Same counts for 4 dot epics and legendaries although it's pretty annoying when not receiving one!!!! *growls*
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Rakshasa92
Supreme Hero
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posted March 14, 2017 05:32 PM |
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I agree, it is kinda fun that 4 dots are so rare, but 3 dots could be a little less rare in my opinion, like I had 86 hyena's (I already had a few stocked before the event) and they all were like 1 and 2 dots... no single 3 dot one.
I also hate it when I finally fully level a 3 dot creature and then find a 4 dot one... (same with 2 - 3 dots) I just finished a 2 dot Jianshi, and then found afreaking 3 dot one. (Just an example, I wish I would have found a three dot one.
But it happend to me with the war elephant and some others.
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AncientDruids
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posted March 14, 2017 05:38 PM |
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dulkan said:
Another interesting thing would be to calculate how much each gem is worth and what you need to get a creature up to 90 immediately. IO'll keep an eyeon that the next time I level creatures.
Afaik 5 small gems are worth 1 medium. 5 mediums equal 1 large. 5 larges equal 1 brilliant and 5 brilliants equal 1 perfect. The price of the equal worth of gems (100 smalls or 4 larges) is equal. The question is, how much creature-exp one gem is worth. There are no numbers in the creature interface, just a bar and amount of gems used for levelling.
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Lunatic
Hired Hero
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posted March 14, 2017 05:43 PM |
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They could actually change it so at least a full 10 summon with diamonds guarantees you a random 4-dot creature...but I guess that would make the p2w players a bit too fast to powerful...still I will make 40 summons at the summoning event tomorrow (if I ever get free space)
I have except for 2 small and 1 medium creatures I think now a full 3 or 4 dot defense,but that was a lot of work and some of them are not fitting in very good,so still a lot to go 
And ty for your response Galaad,I will finish the event today and say goodbye to where I am,then you will find a new application.
I am looking forward to play with you all and have a load of fun,it's my pleasure!
It greets once more
Luna
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Rakshasa92
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posted March 14, 2017 05:56 PM |
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Lunatic said:
They could actually change it so at least a full 10 summon with diamonds guarantees you a random 4-dot creature...but I guess that would make the p2w players a bit too fast to powerful...still I will make 40 summons at the summoning event tomorrow (if I ever get free space)
I have except for 2 small and 1 medium creatures I think now a full 3 or 4 dot defense,but that was a lot of work and some of them are not fitting in very good,so still a lot to go
And ty for your response Galaad,I will finish the event today and say goodbye to where I am,then you will find a new application.
I am looking forward to play with you all and have a load of fun,it's my pleasure!
It greets once more
Luna
40 times 800 diamonds? how much diamonds do you have
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hayenne
Known Hero
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posted March 14, 2017 06:09 PM |
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Lunatic said:
still I will make 40 summons at the summoning event
40 x 800 diamonds? 
I would advise you against summoning all of them in this single event.
You'd probably do better if you split the summons evenly between other coloured events so you would have a chance to capture great legendaries/epics of different colours.
Say, my strike force is mainly green creatures and I don't have anything to put against red creatures. I would skip this summonning event and wait for the new one (come here, Stegosaurus!).
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Rakshasa92
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posted March 14, 2017 06:13 PM |
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hayenne said:
Lunatic said:
still I will make 40 summons at the summoning event
40 x 800 diamonds?
I would advise you against summoning all of them in this single event.
You'd probably do better if you split the summons evenly between other coloured events so you would have a chance to capture great legendaries/epics of different colours.
Say, my strike force is mainly green creatures and I don't have anything to put against red creatures. I would skip this summonning event and wait for the new one (come here, Stegosaurus!).
Can you even have so many diamonds without paying? I think he means to summon single legendaries (at least I hope he does, if not I don't think my 1390 diamonds can ever compare...)
Even if I kept all the diamonds I gained since I start playing I would only be able to summon the 800 diamond like 3 or 4 times...
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Lunatic
Hired Hero
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posted March 14, 2017 06:47 PM |
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Edited by Lunatic at 18:53, 14 Mar 2017.
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40 Summons! That's 4x10 ^^
I have only around 3500 dias, not over 32000
Edit: And i will definitely go for that event,I lack good green and yellow stuff a lot
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 14, 2017 07:15 PM |
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markmasters said:
While I agree it's tedious and a chorus at some point I also feel it's sort of rewarding because you are more or less guaranteed of creatures (even if they are only 1 or 2 dots).
I think it's okay rare creatures have a low 3-4 dot rate, else everyone would have them and there would be no variety.
Same counts for 4 dot epics and legendaries although it's pretty annoying when not receiving one!!!! *growls*
It's true that you get fully awakened creatures no matter what, but for what use? The most important aspect of dungeon defense is the amount of dots a creature has and at that rate I wonder when I'll be able to have a decent defense. The fully awakened 2 dots don't cut it. Ah, all this will eventually get better once the feature to add dots will be implemented, I'm very curious how and when they will do this.
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AxeTerio
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posted March 14, 2017 07:46 PM |
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Lunatic said:
They could actually change it so at least a full 10 summon with diamonds guarantees you a random 4-dot creature...but I guess that would make the p2w players a bit too fast to powerful...still I will make 40 summons at the summoning event tomorrow (if I ever get free space)
I disagree, this would make it (as you fear) too easy for P2W ppl to oppress us
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AxeTerio
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posted March 14, 2017 07:53 PM |
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Galaad said:
markmasters said:
While I agree it's tedious and a chorus at some point I also feel it's sort of rewarding because you are more or less guaranteed of creatures (even if they are only 1 or 2 dots).
I think it's okay rare creatures have a low 3-4 dot rate, else everyone would have them and there would be no variety.
Same counts for 4 dot epics and legendaries although it's pretty annoying when not receiving one!!!! *growls*
It's true that you get fully awakened creatures no matter what, but for what use? The most important aspect of dungeon defense is the amount of dots a creature has and at that rate I wonder when I'll be able to have a decent defense. The fully awakened 2 dots don't cut it. Ah, all this will eventually get better once the feature to add dots will be implemented, I'm very curious how and when they will do this.
I agree with Mark, I appreciate and respect the rarity of the dots. I love hearing what oddball small 4d someone got or am intrigued when I get a 3d+ creature I had originally discounted before as it now makes it worth another look.
Good to know about the 2d in Dungeon Defense as I was considering working up my Gnoll early. I do hope they make a process to add dots using a newly found, but still rare find, higher dot creature
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 14, 2017 08:52 PM |
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AxeTerio said:
I appreciate and respect the rarity of the dots
I appreciate them too but I think if the 3d Rare could have the same rate than the 4d Epic during these events it would make them more rewarding, and it wouldn't be as much as to make them common either.
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted March 14, 2017 09:12 PM |
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Galaad said:
AxeTerio said:
I appreciate and respect the rarity of the dots
I appreciate them too but I think if the 3d Rare could have the same rate than the 4d Epic during these events it would make them more rewarding, and it wouldn't be as much as to make them common either.
I obtained 4x rare creatures with 3 dots
1x epic creature with 4 dots (well...only one 4 dot at all)
By my math, guess which happens more  . I guess every player experiences something else
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