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AxeTerio
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 25, 2017 08:04 PM |
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Edited by AxeTerio at 20:05, 25 Mar 2017.
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ANcientDRuids said:
If someone's interested:
It takes 3,204 medium gems, or 641 large ones, or 129 brilliant ones to raise fully evolved Epic creature from level 1 to 90. I don't have sufficient amount of other gems, but I assume it would take ~16,020 smalls or 26 flawless.
It takes 1,665 mediums, or 333 larges, or 67 brilliants to raise fully evolved Rare creature from level 1 to 75. Again, it probably takes ~8,275 smalls or 14 flawless.
Def think that's great info, reason why I included my used gems in posts so someone could figure that out.
I'm making more creatures to evolve status so I can Awaken them and make room for other more important farms. I'll need to come back later and level them like the Dark Elemental I had 15 of
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 25, 2017 09:01 PM |
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Anyone got any news from Yeezus?
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dulkan
Known Hero
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posted March 25, 2017 10:47 PM |
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I finished up my spider queen and she is an absolutely amazing attacker.
While she doesn't do extreme amounts of dmg her complete package is just great. She can take at least a few hits, deals good damage and delivers an absolutely crippling debuff reliably. In my 20 dungeons I played with her, she alwyys hit all 4 of her debuffs. Pretty much every boss becomes a joke with her, as she debuffs them down to their normal statline.
Here are her stats (max plus, lvl 90):
Spider Queen/Zealous Spider Queen/Spider Empress
HP: 11760
PWR: 1732
ATK: 2000
DEF: 1600
LUC: 2600
MP: 130
basic: assassin
special: hits target 8 times for 30% pwr each (240% pwr total). Each hit has a 25% chance to debuff atk, def, pwr and/or luck by 30% for 5 turns. (2 charges)
awakenings:
- +10% strength to all debuffs (so -40% insteadof 30%)
- +5% HP
- +5% pwr per hit and +1 duration for debuff
- +5% dmg per debuff on target
- +15 max lvl
- +5% dmg per debuff on target
- +15% pwr
- +10% dmg per debuff on target
The first awakening is already massive crippling the target even more. with further awakenings she icnreases her dmg to 280% pwr total and and up to an additional 80% from her own debuffs alone. Essentially each strike after her first then deals 504% pwr dmg.
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Raenus
Famous Hero
Grouchy curmudgeon
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posted March 26, 2017 12:52 AM |
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Looks like I am going to be pretty busy for the next little while, not going to be able to hit 5k this week.
Feel free to temporarily kick me from the guild, I will apply for membership again when I have more free time.
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Creature Quest: HaltWhoGoesThere
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 26, 2017 08:43 AM |
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If I kick someone out for this challenge it is certainly not you Raenus. The one I have on my radar currently is Yeezus, he still didn't activate his dungeon and the challenge ends in two days, no reply either in the chat nor here, no notification beforehand whatsoever.
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dulkan
Known Hero
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posted March 26, 2017 10:17 AM |
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Honestly, I don't think we need to see that 5k mark so harshly. We have no chance at making top 3 guild anyway and the difference in reward between top 10 nad top 25 is so miniscule, I wouldn't worry about people being under the 5k mark when they tell the guild somethging is up why they are low.
Did you check out that new top guild, DivisionUp? It's very suspicous. Lots of low level members, who have pretty terrible teams, but with 9k+ prestige.
There is a guy with a wyvern, pegasus, marid, sludge hulk and tyrannosaurus, all unawakened and the marid is only lvl 60. who has 100% attack and 50% defense rate and 10k prestige. If his team is that bad, how can he hold off anybody in defense?
Another guy @9700 prestige has a walrus, peri, troglodyte, dire wolf, jann.
A lvl 78 guy with a 75 phoenix, kirin, archangel, lvl 60 monkey and lvl 65 dragon turtle sits at 9500.
But the top dog is a lvl 63 player with a 60 mummy, 60 phoenix, 45 songbird, 72 yellow drake and 50 toad. Yet somehow he has 8400 prestige with a low winrate of 77% win rate, but his defense rate is somehow at 37%.
Seems very suspicous to me. Can't imagine them all being in newbie groups, where their weak teams actually can do this, let alone how they organized each other into a guild, if they are in a newbie group.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 26, 2017 11:05 AM |
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dulkan said:
Honestly, I don't think we need to see that 5k mark so harshly. We have no chance at making top 3 guild anyway and the difference in reward between top 10 nad top 25 is so miniscule, I wouldn't worry about people being under the 5k mark when they tell the guild somethging is up why they are low.
It sure would be nice to be top 3 though. 
But I agree with your general sentiment, the thing I like with this rule is I see people are taking the challenge more seriously, PvP is competitive environment after all. Even if the difference between 10 and 25 is scarce we are currently rank 8 and that shows it isn't that hard, at least for Epic challenges. On the other hand I realize some have a harder time but are still active in the community and trying their best in the challenge, and for this I agree with you, the most important thing is that people try their best and become better players with time. OTOH I do not appreciate going unnotified if someone can't participate in a challenge, so it's also about attitude.
I also think, when a member has been scoring high for a few challenges in a row, he can be "allowed" to rest for one if there is any reason for it.
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Isildur
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 26, 2017 08:18 PM |
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Is there a waitlist to get in this gulld? I want to be in it haha I'm currently in the 6th place guild but I don't understand most of the people in the guild, all I see are boxes.
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lordgraa
Promising
Famous Hero
The Whisperer
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posted March 26, 2017 08:53 PM |
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Isildur said:
Is there a waitlist to get in this gulld? I want to be in it haha I'm currently in the 6th place guild but I don't understand most of the people in the guild, all I see are boxes.
You speak not the Boxes language? 
Those are Chinese or Russians - I am fighting those boxes all the time in PvP 
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World of Heroes (Czech fansite)
The Shadows Over Ashan (H7 community DLC)
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dulkan
Known Hero
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posted March 26, 2017 09:11 PM |
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Edited by dulkan at 21:12, 26 Mar 2017.
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Here is my short tierlist on dungeon bosses. This is mostly personal opinion.
What do you want from dungeon boss?
Three things: Damage; resilience, he needs to be able to survive through several control abilities and on top of that some aoe capability. Single target bosses can usually one shot enemies, but are countered by ressurection creatures.
Keep in mind though, that even the best bosses usually won'T be able to hold your dungeon against a strong foe.
The Tiers
Tier 1
These creatures have everything you want, they are the best possible defenders and will usually be able to handle a weakened team.
Tier 2
These creatures fulfill 2 of the criteria or they fulfill all three, but have a significant weakness. They can cause serious trouble to a weakened team.
Tier 3
These bosses fulfill one criteria or have significant weaknesses. They can handle heavily wounded teams, but a full team will usually be able to destroy them.
Tier 4
These bosses don't fulfill any criteria, they might be able to handle a single or two enemies, but beyond that, they won't do much.
Tier 5
These creatures are very weak defenders and will often die very quickly without doing anything. ven if they do manage to do something, their effect will be very low, mostly becuase they are healers or controllers.
Tier 1
Stegosaurus
Justicar
(Both deal high aoe dmg and are very strong on defense, without control they are very hard to beat)
Tier 2
Forest Giant (vulnerable to phoenix)
Fire Giant
Storm Giant
Blue Dragon (fairly low defenses)
Black dragon (low damage)
Colossus (only with lots of awakenings, so he can hit everybody, without awakenings Tier 4)
Tier 3
Phoenix (easily countered by stun and cleanse)
gold dragon
green dragon
white dragon
Vampire (can oneshot many foes and heals himself significantly)
Demon
Hydra
Tiamat Dragon
Frost Giant
Ifrit
Shaitan
Megalodon
Tier 4
Devil
Spider Queen
Red dragon
Lich
Valkyrie
Fire Mage
Archmage
Monkey King
Marid
Peri
Djinn
Archangel
Tier 5
Medusa
Banshee
Occultist
Kirin
Druidess
Jann
Sludge Hulk
Chimera
Titan
I'm sure, I forgot some creatures and there are some like the mist giant or leviathan vs which I have no experience. So feel free to add.
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted March 26, 2017 11:25 PM |
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Nice list! It's a bit depending on amount of dots as well i think. Bosses like hydra and phoenix can become almost unkillable because they heal so much at 4 dots.
Mist giant I think tier 3. Strong defense, high resistance and single shots almost anything but only 1 target so weak versus rescurection.
Minotaur: tier 4, only one-hits green ones, but does remove buffs
Alchemist: tier 5. Very weak effect (debuff) and weak defender. More of a supportive character
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted March 26, 2017 11:27 PM |
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Isildur said:
Is there a waitlist to get in this gulld? I want to be in it haha I'm currently in the 6th place guild but I don't understand most of the people in the guild, all I see are boxes.
I think a spot might open up this tuesday as Galaad said we have a person that seems very inactive at the moment.
And I think we can't ignore the one that destroyed Sauron in the first place 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 27, 2017 12:15 AM |
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Hi Isildir, how much prestige do you currently have?
It looks like Yeezus is not going to enter this challenge anyway so I could have you in for now and when he comes back we can work something out. 
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Isildur
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 27, 2017 01:46 AM |
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Galaad said:
Hi Isildir, how much prestige do you currently have?
It looks like Yeezus is not going to enter this challenge anyway so I could have you in for now and when he comes back we can work something out.
I have 6.2k right now. I'm in the same group as dulkan so he can verify for you if you want.
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ANcientDRuids
Famous Hero
(Andruids for short)
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posted March 27, 2017 01:46 AM |
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I was trying to catch 4-dot light elemental, but failed. I have 20 of those now, but I already have one fully evolved and awakened elemental with 3 dots. What would you do in my situation? Recycle all of them? Or raise a second 3-dotted one?
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markmasters
Famous Hero
Dragon of justice
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posted March 27, 2017 06:05 AM |
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Do you need the gems? I think they are decent enough to use as a double but depends on your other current options
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MajinBuu
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 27, 2017 06:06 AM |
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Hi all, new here.
Noticed the convo about the bugged Phoenix, and I know how to kill an awakened Phoenix so that it doesn't revive.
I was debating whether or not to share it, but why not...
Multi-hit attacks. The Leviathan is perfect for it, but the Titan and Mechanical Spider work just as well. If a special unleashes a chain of hits and the Phoenix dies in the middle of the chain then it will not revive.
I'm sharing mostly to explain and calm those who are up in arms about this bug. To be perfectly honest, putting a Phoenix in your dungeon is pretty stupid in my opinion. Any healer with cleanse, like the Siren, completely nullifies any damage. If you put a Phoenix on the middle boss wave then I'm just going to charge my mana and cleanse off the burn.
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 27, 2017 09:00 AM |
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MajinBuu said:
I'm sharing mostly to explain and calm those who are up in arms about this bug. To be perfectly honest, putting a Phoenix in your dungeon is pretty stupid in my opinion. Any healer with cleanse, like the Siren, completely nullifies any damage. If you put a Phoenix on the middle boss wave then I'm just going to charge my mana and cleanse off the burn.
You're right, I couldn't fully realize this since for me all boss waves are the same and I don't use a cleanser, I always enter these with mana charged and stun + nuke usually one shots pretty much anything (Dark Elf deals very serious damage), sometimes I need to hit a second time a Stego if boosted but I (almost) always get them before they hit with the special (and if they do party is still alive and mostly healed straight after).
But you called me an idiot! I'll turn you into pudding and eat you up! 
Anyway thanks for the bug explanation and welcome to the forums
Isildur said:
I have 6.2k right now. I'm in the same group as dulkan so he can verify for you if you want.
Ok please send the request, I will put Yeezus on the bench for now.
I hope nothing bad happened to him and that he can come back soon.
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Isildur
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 27, 2017 09:11 AM |
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Galaad said:
MajinBuu said:
I'm sharing mostly to explain and calm those who are up in arms about this bug. To be perfectly honest, putting a Phoenix in your dungeon is pretty stupid in my opinion. Any healer with cleanse, like the Siren, completely nullifies any damage. If you put a Phoenix on the middle boss wave then I'm just going to charge my mana and cleanse off the burn.
You're right, I couldn't fully realize this since for me all boss waves are the same and I don't use a cleanser, I always enter these with mana charged and stun + nuke usually one shots pretty much anything (Dark Elf deals very serious damage), sometimes I need to hit a second time a Stego if boosted but I (almost) always get them before they hit with the special (and if they do party is still alive and mostly healed straight after).
But you called me an idiot! I'll turn you into pudding and eat you up!
Anyway thanks for the bug explanation and welcome to the forums
Isildur said:
I have 6.2k right now. I'm in the same group as dulkan so he can verify for you if you want.
Ok please send the request, I will put Yeezus on the bench for now.
I hope nothing bad happened to him and that he can come back soon.
I cant send request because the guild is full
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted March 27, 2017 09:23 AM |
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Isildur said:
I cant send request because the guild is full
Right, now it should work.
In the end I've decided to keep Yeezus a while longer and got rid of last time's mercenary instead, I don't know what Marks thinks about it but it makes better sense to me as an HCer.
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