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posted October 12, 2016 03:04 PM |
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Poll Question:
Ufos and Aliens
George Adamski (April 17, 1891 — April 23, 1965) was a big liar, he wrote in the 1953 year in an encounter with the book was originally from Venus being 
UFO became a fashion phenomenon only in 1947, but ancient history was written in about 3500 years ago
A 16th century woodcutting depicts this scene in which dark spheres were witnessed hovering over the town of Basel, Switzerland in 1566. The spheres appeared at sunrise, 'Many became red and fiery, ending by being consumed and vanishing', wrote Samuel Coccius in the local newspaper on this date
Ezekiel's wheel ufo account in the Bible
Yeah message from space, what Erich Anton Paul von Däniken (April 14, 1935) said so!
Wiltshire, England, 1990
But in the 1909 people have seen pre-model UFO in Britain and New Zealand
Drawing (published by Peterborough Citizen and Advertiser, March 21, 1909) showing an aerial ship seen by constable
In the 1950s the world came over ufo fever
The Warminster UFO photograph. Is this "The Thing?" Taken on August, 29, 1965 by Gordon Falkner, in there also ghosts, lights, and other phenomenons
But the world's record ufo in Sáo Paolo, Brazil, in there people have seen more ufos than other country
If they have seen natural phenomenon, for example
The aurora borealis dance above a glowing igloo in Churchill, Manitoba, Canada 
or we have more than 22,000 pieces of space debris, if they said type of vessel, we know also Paul Moller (December 11, 1936 in Fruitvale, British Columbia, Canada) is an engineer who has spent the past forty years developing the Moller Skycar personal vertical takeoff and landing (VTOL) vehicle
Maybe in Africa  But we don't know about 5-10%, other what we knew airplane, etc in the world
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Maurice
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posted October 12, 2016 03:21 PM |
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A UFO, by definition, is an Unidentified Flying Object. Hence, anything that you can't identify, yet is clearly flying, is a UFO. This includes many Earth-based objects and illusions.
The interesting parts are those that you can't explain through conventional means, even if you stretch it into the field of experimental technologies. Those are far and few in between though.
Personally I've seen a UFO. I clearly remember the day, friday the 13th, 1996. It was evening and dark outside, I was coming home from college after having had an exam. It was cold outside, but the weather was quiet, no wind. The sky was cut pretty much in half, being completely clear and open in the west, showing stars, while being completely clouded in the east. The cut between open sky and clouds was pretty sharp, quiet a pretty and peaceful picture to behold. As I admired the view above me, I suddenly spotted a blue colored ellips that appeared within the clouds, nearly motionless. As I looked at it, it started to accelerate, shooting westwards. The ellips itself was pretty sharply defined, not washed out. It shot from the clouded part into the open sky, ever accelerating and from one moment to the next, it vanished, just ceased to remain visible. Color brightness didn't seem to matter much between being in the clouds or in the clear open sky.
It couldn't have been a searchlight that you see with many dance halls, out at the entrance, because they rely on clouds to reflect their image, while I saw the ellips in the clear, open sky as well.
It might have been something that burned up in the atmosphere, but if so, I would have expected it to fade out towards the end, as well as enter into sight at high velocity, while it was nearly motionless when I spotted it initially.
To this day I still don't know what I saw - and hence, by definition, a UFO. Whether it was an alien controlled craft, I don't know.
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artu
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posted October 12, 2016 03:44 PM |
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There is probably other life forms in the universe, it's just too vast. However, they would also be so far away to visit us, exactly because of that, too. Life will evolve + multicellular life will evolve + intelligent life will evolve + culture and transference of information through generations will evolve + technology will evolve (up until now, from millions of species on earth, only we fulfill all of this and for like what, 70.000 years or so and we may vanish in a few thousand), all of this progress will overlap with our times among billions of years and then if they manage to come up with such a technology, and fuel/energy to make the trip, such an interstellar journey will be with a ship in the size of a Ford Buick which is only observed by a few individuals...
The probability of those "spots" being spaceships must be less than winning the big lottery a thousand times in a row. No offense but you just love to belive anything "eccentric" Maurice, guardian spirits showing you the future, dead people communicating from the beyond, conspiracy theories... I guess, such non-sense appears charming or exciting to you.That's the only explanation I can come up with since you also seem smart.
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Maurice
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posted October 12, 2016 04:09 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 16:12, 12 Oct 2016.
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artu said:
No offense but you just love to belive anything "eccentric" Maurice
Actually, I am quite sceptical . And as I said, I don't know if what I saw was of extra-terrestrial origin. I highly doubt it, but I can't explain what I saw with my conventional knowledge either.
Aside from that particular instance, the two things you presume about (extra-terrestrial) life is that it has a lifespan of just a few millenia and doesn't have any means to cover the vastness of space that separates "us" from "them". I'd like to point out that both are assumptions.
With our limited understanding of DNA, we're already capable of performing cloning experiments as well as genetically modifiying living species (mostly plants, though, to increase food production). A species that's capable of travelling the stars will be so technologically advanced that in all likelyhood they know how to manipulate their own DNA too. On Earth, species go extinct because they can't adapt to the changes in their environment with a short span of time. With the tools to manipulate ones' DNA, one can extend the life of ones' species well beyond that and repair any defects that occur. I am not even touching the subject of cryogenics and spreading across the galaxy by colonising other planets.
Science is also ever progressing and everyday, our understanding increases. What we assume to be hard boundaries today may very well be soft boundaries in the future. I know this is an assumption on my side, but science just isn't "finished". There are plenty of theories out there that aren't that far-fetched, which could present a revolution in the way we think about the way the universe is built - and provide new techniques and technologies that can do things we can't fathom today. To claim that travel between points of space in a time span, that would result in a velocity exceeding the velocity of light if traveled through conventional space, is impossible for all eternity is quite a claim in its own right.
I am not going to discuss the other two topics, they've been discussed elsewhere and quite frankly, my perception is that your opinion is partially colored due to misunderstanding as a result of shortcomings in written communication on a forum such as this.
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artu
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posted October 12, 2016 04:30 PM |
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Edited by artu at 16:31, 12 Oct 2016.
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Skeptical... I mean, you don't directly claim such things to be true but you make them sound a lot more probable than they actually are.
While jumping through space/time by using technologies beyond our imagination seems plausible at first, I think, the real hard thing would be to maintain life (or cyberlife) under such conditions. Even if something can jump through black holes or whatever, that would have to be done at a level of sub-atomic particles. Of course, you can always imagine a technology to solve everything if you approach things from a completely fictional angle. But to assume technological advancement is limitless is also a very, very optimistic assumption.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted October 12, 2016 05:13 PM |
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According to Hindu beliefs there's life on every planet, even on the Sun where our solar system's overlord resides. Our bodies evolve to the climate, our location is determined by our desire. Even if we ever encounter alien life they will undoubtably be humans, i.e possess the same consciousness but varying levels of spiritual development and attachment to the material. With that in mind highly developed "aliens" will be less likely to reach out (if they want to help less developed worlds they merely have to desire to be born into that environment and then reincarnated in the world of their desire, i.e no reason for material forms of transportation- tho there is mention in the Bhagavad Ghita of people that can travel the stars at will through great something, forgot the specific word but it meant giving up on all things material i'll edit when I find it). I'd imagine only those with strong attachments to the material (i.e spiritually underdeveloped) would seek to explore the unknown and humans of Terra do fall into this category.
There is nothing new under the sun, there's nothing out there that we can't find for ourselves on this planet, most of the universe is composed of the same type of elements as well with varying quantities, and the Hindu religion perfectly describes the purpose of this world as well as the nuances of thriving in this hostile environment.
My point regardless whether you choose to or not to like my argument is that it's utterly pointless to seek anything beyond our own planet.
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Blizzardman
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posted October 12, 2016 05:30 PM |
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We are more than likely one of the most advanced species in the universe and probably the most advanced in our Galaxy. Even life-bearing world probably don't have much more of an ecosystem than flora.
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Blizzardman
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posted October 12, 2016 05:30 PM |
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We are more than likely one of the most advanced species in the universe and probably the most advanced in our Galaxy. Even life-bearing world probably don't have much more of an ecosystem than flora.
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posted October 12, 2016 05:31 PM |
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tSar-Ivor said:
My point regardless whether you choose to or not to like my argument is that it's utterly pointless to seek anything beyond our own planet.
The environment of Earth changes, especially dramatically as the Sun ages. It's kind of expected we either find places to live out in the universe or we'll perish with our Sun.
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blizzardman
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posted October 12, 2016 05:35 PM |
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It's assumed that there is always some sort of way that you can do something, but that's only an assumption. It might be physically impossible to ever get around space-time to somehow efficiently travel between systems and there is nothing you can do about it. We might be stuck in our solar system, other than making very, very, very long trips just to a neighboring star.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted October 12, 2016 05:52 PM |
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OhforfSake said:
tSar-Ivor said:
My point regardless whether you choose to or not to like my argument is that it's utterly pointless to seek anything beyond our own planet.
The environment of Earth changes, especially dramatically as the Sun ages. It's kind of expected we either find places to live out in the universe or we'll perish with our Sun.
That's of no consequence though, if the environment of the Earth changes humans of this planet will evolve to meet those needs, provided the changes are gradual, or we'll all die out. The notion that we can colonise other planets with our physiology is madness, it would take far less effort and energy to just get our act together and restore the planet to a habitable state, if we can't do that how do you expect to terraform another planet lol. Also I often hear the argument about overcrowding and all that nonsense, according to the UK National Ecosystem Assessment (NEA) 6.4% of the UK is is urban (doesn't account for roads), and on top of that in England 78.6% of urban areas is designated as natural rather than built-on.
So overcrowding is bollocks no matter how you slice it, overpopulation has some limited use if you refer to those living outside the means of their land, but even that is a lie, post colonial countries are still being dragged down either by Imperialist westerners or poor governance and land subsidies and not because nature can't meet their needs.
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OhforfSake
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posted October 12, 2016 05:56 PM |
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Another suggestion I saw in a popular science space documentary some years ago with Michio Kaku I think, was to move asteroids around our planet like a bicycle chain, then the gravitational pull from their combined movement could move the Earth further away from or closer to the Sun depending on need.
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post colonial countries are still being dragged down either by Imperialist westerners
My apologies, I never intended to oppress you or your species. Now make me a sandwich and eat it yourself, quickly now.
I also think that overpopulation is more of a trendy thing to believe in than anything with actual bearing.
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fred79
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posted October 12, 2016 06:13 PM |
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i can't remember ever seeing a ufo, so it's doubtful that i've ever seen one that i solidly believed to be a ufo. but to think we're the only life in the universe is ridiculous. for anyone to think that we're the most advanced species is pretty ridiculous as well. take into account our dna and our atmosphere, and then realize that life could be quite different on other planets... meaning that life out there could be vastly different from what's on our planet, so their advances in dna, intelligence, and technology could be wholly different from ours.
meaning, it's entirely plausible that ufo's(even aliens) could visit us. they could be doing it as a sort of field trip for their schools, ffs. we could be nothing more to them than a vacation from their home planet. a live-action show, merely for their entertainment.
life, on our planet, could be so vastly different from life on other planets, as to be boundless in possibilities. who's to say that dna from an alien organism even needs the same requirements as we do? that they have the same life span? that they haven't mastered their own mortality, or have been able to cross time and space for centuries of our own years? i mean, really.
the only thing that limits us from understanding alien life, is assuming that it is the same kind of life and advances the same way we do. that's preposterous. alien life in some galaxy could have become like gods by our description; and we would have no idea.
take into account, that we have come so far, with our ego and other species setbacks that prevent us from advancing farther along in our evolution. we're still torturing and killing one another, ffs.
just imagine, for instance, a species that doesn't have the same setbacks that prevent us from advancing far faster than we could have. and that's only ONE point that could be brought up like a giant red flag that shatters any thought that aliens COULDN'T pay a visit to our planet.
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markkur
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posted October 12, 2016 06:31 PM |
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I'm neutral...what is...is. The Phoenix Lights is one example of a strange event with no easy explanation.
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Blizzardman
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posted October 12, 2016 06:59 PM |
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Elements come about through the fusion that takes place in a star (iron, for examples, only comes from supernovas) and those elements have certain properties that support or don't support life as know it. Without some sort of medium for molecules to move in (water) you can't have an operable system. The elements you find on earth are the same elements you're going to find on any planet, though the exact ratios can vary dramatically.
There's always the idea that maybe life could come about in a completely unforeseen way, but then in our own environment on earth, we never, ever see that come about unless certain criteria are meant. For example, there is no such thing as animals that live within an active fire, or that don't contain water or utilize lipids and proteins for structure and carrying information. We haven't yet found that on any of the other planets in the Sol system either, and if you can't find them here then it's doubtful you'll find them anywhere else in the universe with a similar environment.
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Blizzardman
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posted October 12, 2016 07:16 PM |
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That's all knocking on wood, but excluding theoretical alternate planes of existence, our current knowledge all tells us that there are very strict limitations for even a simple cell organism to exist (simple is a relative term because there is nothing simple about them). When you consider the trillions of planets out there, you're still going to have plenty of life, but then even if you have life, it's another question for how evolved it's going to get or if it's going to plateau at a certain level.
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Blizzardman
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posted October 12, 2016 07:43 PM |
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Now that I am done crushing the hopes of all the Star Trek & Dr Who lovers, I will return to the assmobile posthaste.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted October 12, 2016 08:12 PM |
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Back in collage one we were doing gasses, and my teacher said that the human respitory system is so complex, and that by right humans should burst into flame everytime they breathe in oxygen. Wish asked him what he meant. Maybe if something was a little off then that's what would happen, so it's all very precise.
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fred79
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posted October 12, 2016 09:07 PM |
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Blizzardman said:
Now that I am done crushing the hopes of all the Star Trek & Dr Who lovers, I will return to the assmobile posthaste.
i'm not familiar with star trek or dr who, but i understand the extensive possibilities for life and it's design and development in the universe. on just our planet alone, it's only a couple dna strands(supposedly) that seperate us from dolphins. if what scientists say are true in that aspect, then multiply that by the number of livable planets in the universe, and then factor in that there are elements we've never even encountered out there in all that vastness, that could lead to an entirely different design of an organism and it's needs.
once you understand that, you will understand what i'm saying, grasshopper. in order to take the pebble from my hand, you must first understand the nature of the hand that holds it, and then realize that you're misunderstanding the pebble itself. meaning, the pebble will always stay in my hand(and your hope-crushing will be for naught).
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Gryphs
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posted October 12, 2016 09:10 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 21:10, 12 Oct 2016.
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You are just desperate to be visited by some horrible entity that will turn your life into a real life horror movie, huh?
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