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Kipshasz
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posted February 22, 2017 10:30 PM |
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My school (the one where I told my vice principal to go bleep herself) failed miserably into enforcing students to wear uniforms. Even if it was pretty liberal with it. (only required a plain black suit jacket or a black sweater, no special marks or stuff, coupled with plain jeans or suit pants.)
It was sort of a running gag. The vice principal would come around, give a short lecture and just storm off, while some wore adidas tracksuits 24/7 or whatever they fancied.
Theoretically wearing a uniform in school is just how Pandadude said. It supposed to bring some discipline and reduce social status gap between students.
Here where I live uniforms are nowadays mandatory in most schools. But. In most cases, you must go to the ONE AND ONLY tailor to make it. And some very fancy fabric as well. I've changed schools three times in total. One because I moved to a different city, and another when I was threatened with expulsion after I beat up few turds who were being asses in general. I quit my last highschool(the one I mentioned in the beginning of this post), which is still one of the best decisions I've made. And I do not regret graduating an adult evening school at all. Now I'm in uni with the highest grade point average in my group, so all the teachers that labeled me a failure can suck the big one.
Anyway, continuing on topic. First school I went didn't had a uniform, you could go with whatever you like(it was also a small town school as well). Second one at first banned students to wear tracksuits out of physical ed class, then later moved to uniforms for all except 11-12 graders(your basic senior equivalent for yanks). That one had the "bully parents into buying uniforms from one source" policy. Which is true for most schools here.
which could be quite expensive in some cases, as coming up to 100+ Brussels Rubles a piece.(which is a lot for a lot of families here, especially if they have more than 1 kid). Sure there's second hand stuff and all, but kids are cruel little turds in general, so there's still the high chance of bullying in that regard(haha you can't afford brand new clothes type of stuff).
But still, I think uniforms should be mandatory in all schools, private or public, doesn't matter. because discipline and crap. You don't go in the army with some random milsurp crap(except maybe Ukraine, but that's another story), now do you? And as Pandadude mentoned, it does help reduce bullying based on social status, even if it's by a tiny margain.
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Stevie
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posted February 22, 2017 11:07 PM |
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I believe uniforms display a form of social maturity and conformity. It's not something people should be vexed about as an attack on personality. The way the Japanese implemented their uniform policies speak to me of a mentality which is hundreds of years apart from that of eastern block countries in Europe for example and I am really impressed with their education system. Wearing an uniform is more than just sending strangers the message that "I'm from school X or Y", it molds a sense of belonging and responsibility. Besides, uniforms can be beautiful in their own way which is refreshing for the people around. When I see youth with uniforms, I understand that in that sense they are well educated and gain hope for the future. I fear for the west that in its pursuit of narcissism and individuality, important values like unity and conformity will be lost.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted February 22, 2017 11:11 PM |
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We had uniforms in primary school, gave it a nostalgic feel, I'd say.
Then they had us all to wear white shirts but that lasted for just a year if I remember right.
Then in highschool they had the bright idea of having us to wear plain black vests as the "uniform" and that was it.
I would've liked it if we had actual uniforms, or no uniforms, but that was just lazy. And we had to wear the vests over whatever other clothes we were wearing at the time, lol.
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Stevie
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posted February 22, 2017 11:28 PM |
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I had the full set, pants, vest, blazer, even a tie, and the shirt was a matter of preference. But again, the rule was very lax with respect to actually wearing them. In high school me and the rest of the boys were leaving our blazers at school and switched clothes at our leisure or if necessity arose (some teachers really wanted at least a piece of uniform to be worn). I'm not necessarily nostalgic about it, but I liked the conduct and in hindsight think wearing the uniform should've been accentuated more.
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Gryphs
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posted February 22, 2017 11:28 PM |
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I believe all children should wear a three piece suit and spend all non class time buffing their shoes.
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Galaad
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posted February 23, 2017 12:25 AM |
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I think it's completely idiotic, let people wear what they want what's the problem with that?
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Blizzardboy
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posted February 23, 2017 01:11 AM |
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There are several pros and cons to uniforms in school. Uniformed schools tend to do better academically but that isn't necessarily causual. Arguing from the position of freedom seems like one of the poorer reasons, and "doing whatever I want" is a sophomoric concept of freedom anyway. The cons are more related to logistics. It's an easier policy to uphold in some places than it is in others depending on community precedent and expectations. I turned it down here but it didn't have anything to do with rights or freedom.
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fred79
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posted February 23, 2017 02:36 AM |
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i'm actually all for school uniforms. simple reasons being, that in the current social climate, and the state of youth culture being what it is; uniformity between classmates would help kids focus on things OTHER than their appearance(which they focus WAY too much on). instead of it being a contest on who can look the coolest, or have the most individuality(lol, yeah right), they could focus on more important things, like... actually... learning.
i say, ban all cell phones in schools, for the same reason. cell phones and individuality have NO place in a school where you are supposed to be LEARNING. especially as a GROUP.
this could all slim down on the bullying culture, as well as the highly unneeded distractions that kids have these days, to succeed. the more uniformity and the more schooling is taken seriously, the better will be the future of society. and this should be across the globe, not only in one place.
that said, i realize that many people will see that as some nazist tactic, and potentially one that can be further exploited by the use of more indoctrination-type learning; but snow it. people these days will have to stop thinking that they're some special goddamn snowflakes, and that if they want to BE special, they will have to EXCEL at other things besides selfies, classism, and bullying.
not to say that making school uniforms mandatory will solve any of that, but it will be a step in the right direction TOWARDS solving the bullsnow that keeps kids from excelling, currently. school uniforms, along with good PARENTING(ffs), and the eradication of all the disposable cultures out there today, will be steps in the right direction.
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Galaad
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posted February 23, 2017 02:44 AM |
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fred79 said:
people these days will have to stop thinking that they're some special goddamn snowflakes, and that if they want to BE special, they will have to EXCEL at other things besides selfies, classism, and bullying.
100% agreed but I fail to see how forced uniforms will help with any of that.
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fred79
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posted February 23, 2017 03:13 AM |
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it helps eliminate distractions from learning, plain and simple. it's not the only thing, but one of them.
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artu
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posted February 23, 2017 03:32 AM |
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Like many in here, uniforms were the norm when I was a student and they still are in my country. I remember back in high school, we had "casual wednesday" and it was a big deal, especially for the girls. The basic problem with uniforms is, especially on a public school level, they have this militarist notion of discipline that is based on suppressing individuality and personal differences. Now, in the army, that would at least make some internal sense, since, as General Patton puts it, "...an army is a team. It lives, eats, sleeps, fights as a team. This individuality stuff is a bunch of crap." An army has to move fast and organized in perfect sync when it comes to battle, so military has a logic of its own. School kids are not "a team" though, they are in the age where they are just about to develop and discover their individuality. UNI-FORMing them is not such a great idea.
In countries where a significant portion of the population is poor (real poor, not American poor), it also involves issues such as some kids can't come to school with different clothes 5 days a week, and their schoolmates make fun of them etc. But I think, such inequality will always surface out, even when you wear uniforms. It's enough to make fun of a poor kid only by looking at his shoes, and kids are really quick to discover such differences to make fun of.
So, overall, uniforms are not as disastrous as they may seem to someone who's never been in them in their student years but they are not the better choice either. I never liked them as a kid and I don't like them now, with the exception of the erotic context, they really look sexy on models and so on, indeed.
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fred79
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posted February 23, 2017 04:58 AM |
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i prefer french maids, myself. and nuns' habits. but that's more about the idea of sinning sexually, than it is about the uniforms. 
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Stevie
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posted February 23, 2017 10:30 AM |
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Edited by Stevie at 11:40, 23 Feb 2017.
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It doesn't have anything to do with teams or a pack mentality (except that classes can be considered as groups as well), school is a professional environment that has its established etiquette and way of organizing. There's a time and a place to display individuality and a sense of fashion and a time and a place to respect an institution's rules and guidelines. And yes, school is all about conforming to a standard of education, there's not even a question about that, so the nonuniform argument just falls flat. In fact, I think Blizz's on the money when he says that it's a lot about logistics, I can see very clearly in my country that the lack of cultural and social infrastructure prevents the practice of wearing (or even affording) a uniform to enter full swing. Urban areas seem more fortunate though.
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artu
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posted February 23, 2017 10:56 AM |
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School is a professional environment for people who are in the business of educating, not the children. For the children, it is their introduction to social reality. And although social reality is not only about preserving your individuality, it is certainly not about uniforming it either. A social reality encouraging to preserve your individuality is much more fruitful than a social reality discouraging it. It is a matter of balance, of course. So, the question is, "are uniforms in favor of an ideal balance?" They are not. Countries in which it is not state policy to force uniforms, they don't have generations of children who are anti-social or incapable of integrating to social conduct, comparatively, they do just fine.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted February 23, 2017 11:15 AM |
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I fully agree with artu, at school we were forced to wear uniforms and be drones for 'discipline', yet colleges and universities have no such policy. Even then kids will find ways to personalize their uniforms, tearing at the cuffs of blazers, or wearing their ties very loose, very few conformed perfectly. Children aren't dogs you bark orders at, if you delude yourself and think that you will meet an appropriate response from the lil devils.
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posted February 23, 2017 11:17 AM |
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I remember back in the day, in elementary school we were forced to wear uniforms, I hated them, most kids did, boys had to wear your standard black suit jacket with white shirt and dress pants, while girls had some special uniforms. Uniforms were uncomfortable, expensive and would get dirty quickly because they were put on a bunch of 8 year olds Also, our parents had to buy new uniforms each year because kids grow fast, as I said those weren't cheap and you could buy like 10 other normal articles of clothing.
In middle school we had to wear them too, now girls would dress in black suits too (just like the boys with dress pants and shirts, unisex uniform), but that was for a short period, then all kids started a "revolution" and came dresses as they wanted. We'd fight with teachers over this, argue in classes, challenge their teachers authority if they demanded uniforms.
During high school years, good luck trying to dictate some teenagers what to do, even more so what to dress in. Teachers tried to impose uniforms, we just laughed in their faces and dismissed them.
College was a sweet release, no one ever talked about uniforms again
So, now looking back at it, uniforms were pointless and a waste of money. No one would laugh at you for not having expensive clothes. Also fun fact, gypsies were stealing good quality new clothes (sometimes even designer's ones, they had no idea what they were stealing) from western countries and selling them in a bulk at prices like $ 1 each or so
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fred79
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posted February 23, 2017 12:46 PM |
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i keep forgetting that the bulk of you aren't americans.
schools here are different, then. kids are asinine pricks, and schools are clique-zones in the u.s.; especially if your family is poor and you move around alot. most kids never grow out of the clique-mentality(which is driven by popularity, and certainly NOT education OR the betterment of society), and it's really sad. it's one of the reasons i hate most adults in this country. so many people i see, and they all think like they did back in school. snowing idiots.
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artu
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posted February 23, 2017 12:54 PM |
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Kids are asinine pricks universally, uniformed asinine pricks are a whole different level though!
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verriker
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posted February 23, 2017 01:13 PM |
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fred79 said:
i keep forgetting that the bulk of you aren't americans.
schools here are different, then. kids are asinine pricks, and schools are clique-zones in the u.s.; especially if your family is poor and you move around alot. most kids never grow out of the clique-mentality(which is driven by popularity, and certainly NOT education OR the betterment of society), and it's really sad. it's one of the reasons i hate most adults in this country. so many people i see, and they all think like they did back in school. snowing idiots.
there are asinine pricks all over Paisley too mate believe me, living proof right here lol
dressing up the pricks like the toy soldiers in The Nutcracker or The Japanese Animu will not improve their attitude, it will only breed more resentment in them that they are being puppeteered/controlled and thus rebel sooner or later lol
plus asking impoverished people to shell out even more cash than usual on uniforms does not improve their matter,
I certainly remember my folks having to scrape money for food
because of spending 120 quid on ******** for three boys on top of back breaking books, sensible shoes and such utter rubbish, now multiply that by however many children in the really bad off families, then factor in your even worse poverty levels in your USA and that is not a helpful toll to pay for someone who is already struggling to get their child educated lol
you will likely have a classroom with all of the same pricks who are now merely also poorer, hungrier pricks and physically uncomfortable pricks, resentful pricks, and probably a lot of smelly pricks too because single mammy/mom is working three jobs and does not have time to wash their smelly uniform week in week out which they are forced to wear five days in a row, accumulating all sort of bad smells which you can use your inagination, so enjoy a very stinky angry prick in your face cheers lol
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fred79
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posted February 23, 2017 02:12 PM |
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if schools forced uniforms, i would take it out of the taxes that politicians pocket. i wouldn't expect people to pay for them. it would come out of an increased education budget. a DRASTICALLY increased education budget. and kids wouldn't be wearing wool, but the same material that our military bdu's were made of(50% cotton, 50% nylon).
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