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Door knob resembles anus tap.

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fred79 said:

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artu said:

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Okay, let me elaborate. You did say people needed training, that is not what I mean by the "swell" thing. What I mean is that you still want all kind of weapons to be available just like it is now, nobody else (American) in that thread said they support that. So, what you think of as missing the essence is actually people telling you no matter how much training you give, there is still no sense in having military grade assault rifles. Remove the words "military grade assault rifle" and insert "biochemical bomb." Biochemical bombs dont kill people, people do. If some terrorist has it, we should too, so we can protect ourself against such criminals, of course people should be trained to use them properly, they should know it is a responsibility to own biochemical bombs etc... Would this make sense to you?

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"swell" in america, means "great", man. meaning, "no reason to change". not sure if it means something else in turkey.

"i still want all kinds of weapons"... we don't have access to all kinds of weapons. we have access to revolvers, pistols, rifles, shotguns, and semi-automatic rifles. for everything past that, we need a class-3 weapons license. actual "assault rifles"(a favorite phrase of the left to describe semi-auto rifles) are anywhere from 3rd-burst to full auto, which is what the military has. you need a class-3 weapons license to own one, and there's a $200 tax to get one, AFTER an fbi/atf background check.
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so, to state clearly, i think what we can own now, is fine. THAT is what i think is fine. BUT i also think that idiots and the mentally ill SHOULDN'T have one period(just like i don't think they should be allowed to procreate, OR have a soapbox to express themselves); and i think people should have to take a test and receive training beforehand, IF they even get one, period. i believe in the 2nd amendment, but what i DON'T believe is arming morons or the mentally ill.

"military grade assault rifles"... see above. if you from the left, knew more about guns, you wouldn't be using these ridiculously loaded and provocative phrases to describe a semi-automatic rifle(you're describing the military version of the rifle, and NOT the civilian version of the rifle). it is BECAUSE the left use these phrases, that the RIGHT believe:

a. the left are ignorant or lying, regarding firearms.

b. the left use these phrases because they are afraid of guns(possibly due to being largely ignorant about them, and the issues surrounding mass shootings in general), and want them taken from law-abiding civilians. because, why ELSE would a group use such loaded and provocative phrases, if they WEREN'T trying to lie(or were just completely ignorant regarding the issue) to people in order to push their anti-gun agenda? and why else would they be attempting to punish law-abiding citizens who own guns, when only a small percentage of people are committing these crimes?

now, read a and b again. knowing your opponent, is how you learn both sides of the issue. if you are a reasonable person, you can see why someone would be led to believe both a AND b, based on the left continually:

1. using the phrase "assault rifle" to describe something that ISN'T an assault rifle.

2. continually pointing towards an inanimate object being the source of an issue, instead of the willful HUMAN element wielding said object.

3. pushing for stronger laws, based on 1 and 2.


do you see why such left-thinking(and actions based on that misguided thinking) is WHY law-abiding gun owners THINK the way they do?



as for your "bomb" argument, where does it end on the other spectrum? knives? is that really a good direction to be going in? especially being, that criminals would be able to get guns regardless of law, just like they do now, and just like how illegal drugs are gotten now?

the problem(s) with the left, is that they have no understanding of the objects they so despise. they have no grip on what needs done, to solve the mass-shooting issue. and, they have no understanding of what they're even dealing with; regarding everything surrounding the issue in the u.s.  at ALL. at ALL, artu.

take the florida shooting, for example. some of the kids that spoke out about guns, are kids that actually BULLIED THE SHOOTER. they ADMITTED TO IT.

and have you heard ANY of the left, pointing THAT out? nope. not on the news, certainly. and WHY? because the news is a CONTROLLED MEDIUM. it used to be just TWO companies that controlled all media in the states. and now, one of those companies is supposedly buying the other out. you can understand, i think, that even now, with TWO companies running ALL media and yammering on and on about gun violence and how SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO STOP IT(but again, erroneously going about it absolutely the wrong way), that THAT particular voice would be TWICE as bad, if only ONE entity were controlling all media in the u.s.

now, just WHY would such a vastly controlled medium, that has pushed the same rotten government and corporate agendas for years like it was candy, and not poison, to the masses, be SO hell-bent on focusing on diminishing gun rights and/or outright attempting to REMOVE firearms from the populace at large?

DESPITE the fact, that everything they try, is for NAUGHT. there is something like 500,000,000 firearms in the u.s., atm. just HOW do you, or the left, PROPOSE to stop ANY of those 500,000,000 firearms from being used for an illegal or harmful purpose? it is not logically OR logistically possible, to REMOVE WHAT ALREADY EXISTS. any laws submitted to try and HALT that, is sheer stupidity, no matter what.

ANY anti-gun sentiment LOSES on this issue, no matter what(even my own, with how i think guns should be more regulated). you cannot STOP people from owning ANY firearms, period. NO ONE can solve this issue by attempting to stop what is PREVALENT in our culture, and what could be gotten ILLEGALLY anyway.

the ONLY way you can stop this issue, is to stop what's causing it.

the school shootings? try looking at the bullies. school kids are snows; they were when I was in school, which is one of the reasons why i ended up leaving and not graduating.

as for the adults shooting lots of people? well, you can't stop that. the only thing you can do there, is increase security everywhere. which they will. just like with the "taking off your shoes before you board a plane because there was once a bomb in a shoe".

and that's not even mentioning, the MEDIA COVERAGE of these events. they turn these shooters into CELEBRITIES. like they didn't learn that was a bad thing, when covering serial killers in the 80's. all of a sudden, they forget a vital lesson? just to PROMOTE gun violence by making shooters celebrities, so that they can have more ammunition for their ANTI-GUN AGENDA?

the media factors HUGE into these things, man. and so does the internet. both promise INSTANT STARDOM to a would-be shooter; who would otherwise likely live an unknown existence where they're just PUSHED AROUND AND ALIENATED BY EVERYONE IN SOCIETY ANYWAY. just like in school. i mean, forget the mass shooting stats. take a gander at the SUICIDE stats, and you'll see what the underlying issue is. people everywhere are largely UNHAPPY, man. and who can blame them? life in our societies are RIGGED, man. the least significant will ALWAYS LOSE until things change for the better. and by "better", i don't mean removing something to EXPRESS that deep-rooted human issue, regarding human existence in society today.

things are FUBAR, man. not just in the states, but nearly everywhere. --->overpopulation<---, internet sociology, inhumanity to man, and technology are taking their toll on us; not just the rest of the natural world.

most of your(and the left's) focus is on an inanimate object, artu. neither you, NOR most of the left-leaning, is focusing on the ENTIRE PICTURE.

not saying the entire right is, either. but I   AM.

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Blizzardboy said:

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Congrats 100% devil, you've earned it.

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Herry said:

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Do you guys realize that this was necro'd, though?

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fred79 said:

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Herry said:

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Do you guys realize that this was necro'd, though?

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my powers of necromancy are subtle.

that is a nice poem, despite it's subject matter.

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i'm docking the "jolly roger" in these waters! this cove'll serve us well, smee!

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