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Neraus
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posted February 03, 2019 07:33 PM |
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France does still control a bunch of African nations money, while not an explicitly colonialist move it's still not a defensible issue, any sovereign nation which has its currency controlled by a foreign nation cannot fully define themselves as independent (And that also applies in regards to the EU, supranational organizations ought not to control the currency of sovereign states, but alas...)
Ethnic justice is a terrible concept, Istria, Dalmatia and Fiume have had their Italian population genocided on the grounds of them being "Slovenian" and "Croatian", despite the Italians being a sizeable portion of the urban population while the slavs were mostly concentrated in the hinterlands, by ethnical lines Slovenia and Croatia would have been deprived of their most important centres because, guess what, Italians have lived in the cities for far longer and developed them, if such a concept was to be applied, the Istrian coast, Ragusa in Dalmazia, Zara, Pola and Fiume (to name a few) should be Italian.
Actually, Eastern Europe as a whole should be redrawn if we were to enact ethnic justice, Germany is just too small now, Sudetenland, Danzig, Ostpruessen, Konigsberg and a bunch of other places are German, Bielorussia shouldn't exist, Poland should be shifted eastwards, Romania should cede Western Transylvania to Hungary, heck, Hungary should get a lot of land, and Serbia, oh man, another huge can of worms. And let's not forget Constantinople shall we?
Why is Spain united? The Basques are clearly a different ethnic group, so they need their nation, Sicilians are the best people in the world and have single-handedly shaped the west and east, despite sitting in their island so why not give us our due and declare Sicily as the ruler of the world aren't we independent?
It's a shame the Africans and Arabs are forced to live in artificially created nations, but so are we nations that are not the UK, France, Portugal, Malta, Cyprus, Denmark, Sweden and Norway, in the end borders are always drawn by somebody else.
That said, why does Slovenia even exist? Why are Slavs squatting on Italian land?
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AlHazin
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posted February 03, 2019 09:41 PM |
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Edited by AlHazin at 21:47, 03 Feb 2019.
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Oh no sorry it's not them who stole the lands, it was their parents. Like really, my bad. So this I won't even go deeper into it.
As to Zimbabwe, you do remember that its dictator engaged in a war outside of his country, don't you? He litteraly requisitioned all the crop to feed them. I don't know but I think it might actually have a little relationship between taking away all the crop production to feed soldiers outside the country and the people starving inside the country. Meditate on that before you bring again the "hard work" of the White argument. They have an African nationality and this is why I mentioned the national reconciliation. Moreover they are accepted in Europe more easily. That's not an argument either.
Salamandre said:
I guess it is easy to cease all relations with a country, if you estimate it has negative impact on all levels. Why don't you do it then?
If I could I would. Honestly I would. The problem here, my dear Salamandre is that you put everyone in the same bowl. The honourable government we have is tied to the French one. Many Algerians who were in the French army during the war found themselves into positions of power after our independence. The answer I already gave it to you, corruption.
I guess you are reffering to Algerians who are also French. Oh, in that case, if they are French they get the healthcare, what do you want me to do? Some non-French Algerians do have advantages. But I don't benefit from French healthcare, don't worry, nor welfare nor insurance nor any priviledge. To be more honest with you, if I were French, I would vote Le Pen. I find his daughter pathetic, but the father would definitely suit me if I were French. Stop all the aids to the people, like really, all of them. And yes that would go with getting rid of dual citizenship and being able to 'use' France with its laws. I would close the borders but I would close them to everyone, even to Romanians. Being 'white' or from European extract would not give you an edge for immigration (if you think it should).
That said, I send you back to Les Accords d'Évian, you will be able to see that forms of partnerships were conditions set by France to Algeria to access independance, this is why legally I can still ask for a French citizenship, I can teach in a French public school... etc. After 132 of being a part of it, France wanted the first to maintain a form of partnership with Algeria. Algerians only started considering moving when things went overboard, like communists taking the power and nationalising everything, like the oil, shops, houses, yeah your house nationalised.
And I think that's partly why you may have a resentment against Algerians, they have more rights in France than some Europeans, or at least had, because now, you know, the EU changed everything.
I'm not calling the west to 'save me from my misery', you are the one advising that, I think that nations have to work on themselves. Vassality is obsolete. And just in case people get the wrong idea, unlike most African countries, Algeria is not under perfusion. We have enough petrodollars for our cops to drive Mercedes class G, in France they drive some cheapish Renault Kangoo, gives you an idea of the financial differences.
Understand this, this whole neocolonialist situation is bad for both are middle classes, only both our elites are benefitting from it. So fight your own elites, the politicians YOU vote for. As I can only fight mine.
Stevie said:
I think I am right because justice is not made based on the color of someone skin, their origins or their ancestors' history.
You are really surprising me here, AlHazin. What relevance does ethnicity have? Or are you actually saying that one party is justified in their hatred towards the other?
Listen, capitalism is when people earn money 'by working their asses off' to quote Salamandre. The Apartheid system has nothing to do with capitalism, you cannot compare the USA or Britain with South Africa or Zimbabwe. They own that wealth and land because they, or should I say, their ancestors seized it. Not because they bought it. To put it simply, their property over them is at first illegal. Why do they still have it? Because they bribe the Black government, again we go back to corruption.
Okay so here's a story that happened in a parallel universe. You live in Romania. Let's simplify and assume everyone is white, you are let's say, 7 M inhabitants. You are an underdevelopped country, and one day, ships show at the shore, bomb the hell out of you, take control of your country, seize the land and treasury, reduce you to slavery. Those people come from the Arab world, to simplify let's say they are of a blue skin colour, they are around 100 K. Years later, they make a coup d'état, and cut the binds between them and whatever country in their Arab world they came from. Everybody has a Babushistan citizenship (because they renamed your country, because they find your culture inferior and your language primitive) but they still hold all the country, politically, economically... etc.
And here we are, the country is independant, everyone has the same citizenship, more or less the same rights after decades of Apartheid, you have even been able to rename your country after your ancestor's names, but the blue people hold all the land, all the wealth, all the capabilities, not politically anymore but they do economically and socially. Now you are 35 M and they are around 1,5 M.
The question is, is the white Stevie, native to Romania formerly know as Babushistan, poor, with the bad skin colour, with few opportunities, happy with the situation?
Edit: don't worry Neraus, some of us live in actual Arab nations which existed way in the ancient age, we didn't wait for Europe to teach us how to erect frontiers.
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