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posted May 26, 2020 11:50 PM |
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Minneapolis police murders man.
This is really unbelievable. In broad daylight, in front of the camera, an officer slowly kills a suspect who is not resisting arrest at all. He is totally neutralized, cuffed, he is repeatedly saying he cant breathe, saying he is in pain, he actually says “you are going to kill me” yet the officer doesnt stop pressing down his neck. Not for seconds, for minutes. After watching this, I totally get what Black Lives Matter was about.
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posted May 27, 2020 12:17 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 00:18, 27 May 2020.
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This is sadly not an isolated case. And not only in the US either. There usually isn't a camera in plain sight though.
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posted May 27, 2020 12:46 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:51, 27 May 2020.
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Yep. Justice will be served and all that sh*t... ofc no one will take responsibility. But it's not about black people. In PL recently police are pacifying peaceful demonstrations of people who protest against government taking too little action against corona aftermath...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaEOeyANSVM
I have no respect for the police...
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posted May 27, 2020 02:37 AM |
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Is not about being black - yet there are many cultural issues within that community which lead to higher criminal activity, but police inner problems. Morbid obesity, lack of proper training, also combine this to authorized fire arms nation wide which puts on additional stress. Those cops must be judged and are responsible for what looks like a plain murder, yet I don't see why it has to do with BLM.
The biggest threat for blacks in USA are blacks themselves, check crime statistics by race. Police incompetence is applied to all races.
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posted May 27, 2020 09:45 AM |
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Well, it has to do with this. They didnt kill him because he is black but they wouldnt have been this reckless, had he not been one. Do you think it would play out the same if he was white. Statistically, this kind of thing is happening to them overwhelmingly more. And blacks killing blacks is a different matter, it is regular crime, not state violence. Hence, the movements name was “black lives matter.” Keep in mind this is not some quick reflex gone wrong, a misfire or the officer in panic for his own life etc. He slowly chokes him while calmly speaking to him.
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posted May 27, 2020 10:44 AM |
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artu said:
Do you think it would play out the same if he was white.
Yes, they do it, and again but the press will not mention it, who cares about white men being abused, is not like they will have support from some political loud racist movement, right? They vote wrong anyway.
More than 500 unarmed whites died last year from police, how many of those were in the news? None, but for every black (250) we have the same narrative again and again.
If you keep repeating that police is more likely to shot you because of your skin, people of color will panic more and sooner, will act more aggressively and will do more stupid things. What we know about what happened before the video starts?
Watch that channel I linked, police officers often wear body cameras so we can get the whole thing, from start to the end. What I most see is people acting erratically, panicking and basically asking suicide by cops. Then I see untrained and physically unfit cops, which also are subject to panic.
If a cop yells at me to go down, I execute. If I consider it was abusive, I fill a complain, but AFTER, when the heat is gone. I am not that stupid to start arguing with a cop. Show me a single abuse when people complied, there is none.
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posted May 27, 2020 10:53 AM |
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But he does comply. He is in no position not to comply anyway, the police commands him to get up while disabling him to do so, like cat playing with mouse.
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posted May 27, 2020 11:09 AM |
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That's not what they reported, they said he acted like being under influence and resisted arrest.
Look, I am also for severely prosecuting those cops, they clearly screwed and see that knee pushing for 5 minutes on his neck is hard to watch. What I am not for, is the racial narrative.
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posted May 27, 2020 11:26 AM |
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No matter how he resisted in the beginning, the part we see is compliance for long enough, it goes on and on for minutes. It seems like we have no disagreement up to this part. The part where the racial narrative steps in, is how this is not about a sudden misjudgement or misfire etc, this is not “the fog of war.” He treats him like some sub-human test subject, suggesting he likes it and so on. I don’t see that happening if the suspect was white, very unlikely.
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posted May 27, 2020 12:49 PM |
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Yeah it is a pretty disturbing video.
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posted May 27, 2020 05:36 PM |
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artu said:
He treats him like some sub-human test subject, suggesting he likes it and so on. I don’t see that happening if the suspect was white, very unlikely.
Or you can always be someone against the ruiling party, similar treatment. Or like in this case, you don't even need to be black https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsvI3v8GvfM.
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posted May 27, 2020 07:01 PM |
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Different country, the context was U.S.A.. Black Lives Matter was a U.S. movement.
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posted May 27, 2020 07:22 PM |
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Disgusting.
And so many police officers wonder why people hate them or are distrustful and treat them like snow. Or freak the f out and run away.
Running away at least gives them a chance, rather than submitting to an officer that is either potentially corrupt and power mad, or gonna shoot you on sight if you so much as twitch.
Of course, running makes the situation worse, but, fight or flight response is a powerful thing and hard to ignore.
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posted May 27, 2020 08:18 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Yes, they do it, and again but the press will not mention it, who cares about white men being abused, is not like they will have support from some political loud racist movement, right? They vote wrong anyway.
are you kidding me lol, how can you be this ignorant
do you really, really, really think that media is silencing the actual racism against whites? if anything, it's weird that the black lives matter movement gets completely wrecked by the american police while the "coronavirus protesters" that were basically yelling in the cops faces were left unharmed. i take it you ignore the problems of black people cuz you have internalized the racism
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More than 500 unarmed whites died last year from police, how many of those were in the news? None, but for every black (250) we have the same narrative again and again.
If you keep repeating that police is more likely to shot you because of your skin, people of color will panic more and sooner, will act more aggressively and will do more stupid things. What we know about what happened before the video starts?
have you heard about percentages?  the fact that the blacks are overrepresented is why the protests happen. the fact that the media shows it just shows that they want to be the "good guys" stating facts while the liberal media still sucks. how can you be this sure of someone else's perspective? why are you just generalizing and think you know it all when it really seems that you are uninterested in taking another persons perspective from what ive seen
actual violence done by police against minorities is systemic and this police in particular actually had a make whites great again hat on another picture lol, everything you read from sites u dont like doesnt have to be lies of course people are panicking, have you seen how much hate the BLM movement has had? basically everywhere you go on internet people are just snowting on them for stating "black lives matter" since they sincerely believe the average person thinks otherwise, i dont think its that radical stating that a life matters but hey you do you
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Watch that channel I linked, police officers often wear body cameras so we can get the whole thing, from start to the end. What I most see is people acting erratically, panicking and basically asking suicide by cops. Then I see untrained and physically unfit cops, which also are subject to panic.
yeah have you seen shots from cops from their own body cameras where they abuse their position its pretty crazy
and they are asking for suicide youre right!!! damn hot take here !!
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If a cop yells at me to go down, I execute. If I consider it was abusive, I fill a complain, but AFTER, when the heat is gone. I am not that stupid to start arguing with a cop. Show me a single abuse when people complied, there is none.
yeah thats easy to say when youre white isnt it
well banter aside i think you shouldn't do that kind of argument, yeah maybe you wouldve reacted that way because youve been raised a certain way, but how would a guy react that really believe that the system has failed him and really want to stand up for his rights? its not that weird to stand up for yourself if you truly believe you are being wrongly treated no matter if its a guard or cop or just a dude on the streets or whatever - if a person would assault you, would you fight back or just file a report later? ofc some people wont fight back and thats fine, but that doesnt have to mean everyone should follow a certain example. its just the human nature. i dont see how thats the "right" choice in any given situation, people are different and they react differently to different situations. it's not just stupidity, it might be utter desperation, it might be a adrenaline rush reaction, it might be whatever, you know? the possible reasons are maaaaaannnnnnnyyyy and i dont think we can sit here on our high horses speaking for everyone else, we're not representatives of someone else just by default
would you also say that a victim of physical assault who tried to fight back did the wrong thing? that they shouldve just filed a complaint afterwards?
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posted May 27, 2020 08:55 PM |
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See, that's why I refute the racial approach, some inarticulate people will claim is the biggest issue - and anyone saying it isn't "has internalized racism". When you start from that dead end, there is no future for minorities believing it, as they are so easy to manipulate.
When you repeatedly say to some people "no matter how hard you work, racism will keep you back", is over. Then when you push the "systemic racism" narrative, while you can't name a single racist law, who is to blame but your own ignorance?
In the same time, we see so many black billionaires, many famous, many adulated by whole America, one even made it to the top function. So yeah, I would say the main problem is internalized blindness for the leftist bubble.
Didn't their candidate just say "if you don't think as us, you ain't black"?
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posted May 27, 2020 09:05 PM |
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Sal, will we be ping ponging Chris Rock jokes again?
Social class is not isolated from race in U.S.. Doesnt mean individual succsess is impossible.
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posted May 27, 2020 09:13 PM |
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Yes, and I prefer listening to those who achieved it ; they must become an inspiration for the others, not the other way.
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posted May 27, 2020 09:36 PM |
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posted May 28, 2020 12:36 AM |
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posted May 28, 2020 01:26 AM |
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evildustructor said:
this police in particular actually had a make whites great again hat on another picture lol, everything you read from sites u dont like doesnt have to be lies
The irony, you accuse me of reading fake news while you push them.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/make-whites-great-again-hat/
Also, it came out that the officer involved, Derek Chauvin, is married to a non white woman. Guess his is not so white supremacist, after all.
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