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posted June 15, 2020 10:40 PM |
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fred79 said:
The funny thing is, and by the blacks' own admission, the percentage doing all that killing is more like 3%. And, these are the people cops get to deal with.
Sure, like the Brooks guy who got shot in the back, twice.
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posted June 15, 2020 11:14 PM |
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It doesn't matter where he was shot, or what he was doing before he got shot. All that matters to you leftists is that the guy who died was black, and that he was killed by a white. Because that's all they TELL you to care about. And you people obey like good little robots. Meanwhile, you guys are showing the vast divide between left and right thought.
And while all this is happening, the people pulling the strings on all you puppets are enjoying the show and awaiting the inevitable collapse. Me, i'm watching the show, but i'm certainly not enjoying it. It's hopeless trying to reach you people; and what's worse, you're all apparently overrunning everything. With brute force, if need be. Pat yourselves on the back; you're thinking just how they WANT you to think. AND you actually believe it's all stemming from YOUR OWN OPINION. They've got you hook, line, and sinker.
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posted June 15, 2020 11:40 PM |
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Funny, one would think that “those people who pull the strings,” whoever they are, wouldnt want things to collapse. Since, you know, they are the ones who own and run the system!
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posted June 16, 2020 12:07 AM |
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There's no call for destroying something that can be fixed.
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posted June 16, 2020 07:56 AM |
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@Sal they wouldn’t have the same significance had there not been a deeper social issue behind them.
The endless, never ending excuses. Here is the core of the problem, you create a protected class where finally everyone is walking on eggshells when dealing with then guess what, this is how racism is created.
No, stick to core responsibilities instead : don't drop out of school, don't join a gang, don't drug yourself or sell drugs, don't marry before getting a job and/or a diploma and don't have kids out of wedlock. Studies show that individuals sticking to those simple life principles have almost a 100% chance of steeping out of poverty.
THEN and only then, if any of those conditions is unreachable because some law or tribal mindset to any class, due to its gender, race or religion - which is indeed systemic racism, make sure it is gone.
You defend a loser mindset where the fault is always somewhere else. This will never improve things, as there is no goal fixed but all consists in accusing people of having unconscious bias.
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posted June 16, 2020 09:35 AM |
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The fault IS someone else's, though.
Let's get this straight yet another time: So you are born and raised in any one of the black ghettos in any one of the typical US cities. Then your problem is, that everything is already in place and it's not your fault: Gangs dealing drugs and weapons are dividing the territory, and they make the laws and not the cops; no social workers who wouldn't be able to help you anyway; if you are very lucky, you have two parents, if you are even luckier, they are not on any drugs, are not in each other's hair all the time, and one of them may even have a legit job, but that's pretty unlikely, because in that case they would be long gone. If not you may be with a single mom (who might be turning tricks just to get by OR to finance a drug habit or both) - or Dad is doing time in some prison, which amounts for the same thing.
School? Well, yes, in a way: 24 hours a day, and of the sort determining your life. In these surroundings you'll have seen more crap with 6 than all the white children of a typical average European town.
So what education will that give you?
Is that your fault? How are you supposed to get out of it? With the Münchhausen trick of pulling yourself out of the mire by your own hair?
Your "simple life principles" are only for those who really have a REAL choice, because you have a choice only when you see options. When you don't - because no one showed you any or taught you that there are, opened you for another world - at the time you are starting adolescence your education will be finished and you'll already be in full swing to carve your own niche in that microcosmos.
So I'd be really thankful, if you'd stop this unrealistic hogwash which is just propaganda of the elite who touts the idea that no matter how low you start, it's always in the power of the individual to ascend into the respected middle-class and even become really rich.
Yes, it is POSSIBLE. But it needs luck. A lot of it. AND a special talent, either for one of the high-paid sports or some lucky break, say, you are sick of all that and volunteer for the army, survive whatever warzone they send you to, learn something useful while you are there and start a new life after you leave.
That option becomes more real, the better the actual neighborhood is where you start. If it's just a low-income neighborhood, that is still policed and not any gang territory, if it's not in any of the Southern States, then your chances are better, especially with some talent a regular home and one or two good teachers.
But you need luck. The luck of not having to make really decisive decisions out of necessity when you are still a child, because it will be the wrong ones.
And all of this is not rocket science. It's basically known since, well, the downsides of capitalism have been analyzed.
Anyway - question for you. You've left Romania and went to France. I understand, you are teaching to play the piano - so you can play piano. I suppose you've learned that in Romania, not in France. I also suppose you learned it early, and there are actually only a few options, how, and all options will involve that you somehow either came to listen to classic music/someone playing piano and that you got either taught by a relative or by a teacher either because your parents wanted it or you wanted it and your parents paid or you were talented. You may also have paid for it yourself later as a youth, working for the money or directly to be taught - but in any case you needed the access to a piano or at least some keyboard, and you needed the access to classic music.
I don't suppose that this access, this meeting with classic music and piano playing is all your own work. You will have been "lucky" in some way and from a certain point onwards it was indeed YOUR doing and YOUR merit. But without that meeting ...
And it can't have been all that easy - if it have been you wouldn't be proud of it and look down on everyone who doesn't seem to make the same effort.
It's the start that counts. If it's solid, it's all about what you make of it. If not, well...
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posted June 16, 2020 09:54 AM |
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Racist, leftist, anti-white black apologists, denying reality. Let's get THAT straight.
Ask cor how he feels about all this. He lives in "Chiraq", right? Lots of killings by inner-city blacks, there. I'll bet it's lots of fun living/working in Chicago. I remember when he was asking hc if he should get a gun for protection. Gee, i wonder why he would feel he or his family were in need of lethal protection?
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posted June 16, 2020 10:24 AM |
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You mean the now intimately called "cor" you called Quote:
an authority figure to punish someone standing up for themselves, instead of punishing the pricks that start snow
not so long ago and told Quote:
you can go snow yourself too, timmy
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Apart from that I've got no idea what that has to do with education and upbringing of kids and quality of neighborhoods as the cornerstone of determining the direction a person's life takes.
You probably don't know that either - but you just had to get something out of your system, right?
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posted June 16, 2020 12:56 PM |
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Comparing life standards from 80' Communist country, where you are vaporized if you protest, vaporized if you criticize, one TV channel diffusing same brainwash garbage 24/24, restricted access to history and culture, no access to passports, no possibility of travel outside, no access to any sort of welfare, no possibility to acquire any property, constant starvation because no external trades, with the black American community from 2020, then conclude that "I was lucky" ... what can I say, ignorance at its best.
Then when you have plenty of black individuals who managed to get out from this inalienable social fallout you describe, then refuse to bend to your fatalism and refuse to call themselves as victims, how you call them?
"They are mislead".
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posted June 16, 2020 01:15 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
You mean the now intimately called "cor" you called Quote:
an authority figure to punish someone standing up for themselves, instead of punishing the pricks that start snow
not so long ago and told Quote:
you can go snow yourself too, timmy
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Apart from that I've got no idea what that has to do with education and upbringing of kids and quality of neighborhoods as the cornerstone of determining the direction a person's life takes.
You probably don't know that either - but you just had to get something out of your system, right?
Are you insinuating that he can't see one problem more clearly than you can simply because he abuses his power here? Or maybe, people just whine to him via hcm about my posts? Maybe he's not to blame; maybe underhanded people like you are, who currently is attempting to deny someone's validity in a subject before he even has the chance to voice his real-life input?
Very illuminating post, jj. I might have had cor pegged wrong.
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posted June 16, 2020 01:33 PM |
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You aren't pretending anymore to answer to what is actually asked - an EDUCATION and a DECENT HOME.
Don't you see that the political realities are something very far away for a child? Likewise the economy - when it's everywhere alike and no shopping window a couple blocks further?
You didn't answer the question, and that is telling. You've just nurturing a deep-rooted hate on everything calling itself "left" (because you've probably been grown up with it), and you are sure that it was bad in Romania. It probably was - but it was worse for your parents (provided they were no party members).
Children who don't get an education and have no decent home need way too much luck to get out to attribute it to anything else than that.
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posted June 16, 2020 01:35 PM |
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@Sal
How is identifying an issue making an excuse. I am not asking them to see themselves as victims, I’m just saying it is very easy to see they have zero trust in the law enforcement and that has to have an actual reason other than “leftist media making up lies” especially considering they dont even read the leftist media mostly.
@fred
It is quite the irony that in your actual life (on a micro level) you constantly complain about how you are discriminated and abused by authority, even when you are not I might add, yet on a macro level (when it is not about you), you deny any of it can be true because it is now happening to someone else. Calling the protests antiwhite racism is really low.
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posted June 16, 2020 02:09 PM |
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In Sweden, most restaurants and stores have signed deals with security companies that are the responders of these ordeals. You don't call the police on drunk people, you call security. Of course, it's not perfect. There have been reports of assault and racism, but at least the security guards do not bear arms. Drunk people do not get murdered.
The US with its all-in mentality has armed cops respond to a report of a possible drunk guy sleeping in a Wendy's driveway. How is this logical or constructive? The whole purpose of police or security is to keep people safe and in this situation they just create their own problems that they then need to clean up, in this case, by shooting a human being in the back.
But then we can just cop-out of discussing better and more effective policies and procedures with the usual defaults, "He shouldn't have been drunk", "He shouldn't have resisted arrest", "He shouldn't have been a 12-year-old kid with a toy gun in a park", "He shouldn't have been using counterfeit money", because apparently an acceptable solution to all of those things is to possibly kill the person, and then to follow-up, to act surprised when black communities are dissatisfied with the way their communities are policed.
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posted June 16, 2020 02:10 PM |
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Salamandre said:
No, stick to core responsibilities instead : don't drop out of school, don't join a gang, don't drug yourself or sell drugs, don't marry before getting a job and/or a diploma and don't have kids out of wedlock. Studies show that individuals sticking to those simple life principles have almost a 100% chance of steeping out of poverty.
Source?
That's bullsh!t and you know it. Social capillarity has been consistently decreasing since the 80's.
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posted June 16, 2020 02:16 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Children who don't get an education and have no decent home need way too much luck to get out to attribute it to anything else than that.
But this is exactly what I am saying too.
Which boils then down to :
Don't have more kids than you can support and raise
Don't make them before you have a job
Don't make them out of wedlock
Once you have kids, educate them instead of being an ass, continue taking drugs and kill people, then end in prison (75% fatherless black families)
Do that and you will be fine.
Follow what JJ says - accuse imaginary people you don't know for having imaginary racist thoughts - then you will be a loser forever.
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That's bullsh!t and you know it.
If for you simple and basic common sense is bs, then don't breed. Ever.
I will find the study, read it time ago.
Edit: here it is
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considering they dont even read the leftist media mostly.
What are you on, artu? They vote left at 85%.
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posted June 16, 2020 02:51 PM |
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Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
Children who don't get an education and have no decent home need way too much luck to get out to attribute it to anything else than that.
But this is exactly what I am saying too.
Which boils then down to :
Don't have more kids than you can support and raise
Don't make them before you have a job
Don't make them out of wedlock
Once you have kids, educate them instead of being an ass, continue taking drugs and kill people, then end in prison (75% fatherless black families)
Do that and you will be fine.
Sal, social education is finished once you are out of adoslescence - 14, 15 at the latest. After that it's EXTREMELY difficult to change basic perceptions that have themselves imprinted into your personality. Before that - well, it seems difficult to even reach kids of better homes and neighborhoods - but those in the slums?
Phrased differently - at any one time, every person is living under real circumstances. Who is going to tell whom what to do and who is going to listen to them?
Take a neigborhood you know better, say, a muslim quarter in Marseille? What kind of a chance does anyone have to reach the children as long as you CAN reach them and to show them that the world beyond that quarter is different from what they learn living there?
I mean, you can't paint Salamandre's Four Guiding Principles For Adolescents on a couple of signs, nail them to a couple of walls and hope everyone reads and follow them. They would be taken off - because they were NO FUN for people who have learned that they haven't got much of a future.
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posted June 16, 2020 02:53 PM |
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I'm beating dead horses here. The only reason i argue with you people is because i don't want the bullsnow you all spout to be so easily spread to the impressionable without another sane voice challenging you. This is a website about gaming, afterall. The last thing we need is for it to be another twitter/facebook/reddit clone. Not another goddamn leftist echochamber, ffs. You guys already run all but a handful of the social websites on the internet. If you're not gaming or a modder, do the sane a favor and go back to your echochambers where you can virtue-signal with relatively unanswered safety. 
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posted June 16, 2020 02:55 PM |
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Salamandre said:
here it is
"It is sometimes said that Americans are turning their back on the marriage culture. The high divorce rate, soaring nonmarital birth rate and consequent rise of single-parent families are certainly weakening marriage as an institution. But look again and discover that college-educated women have high marriage rates, low nonmarital birthrates, and low divorce rates. The marriage culture seems to be alive and well for those with a college degree. These families usually not only have enough money to afford good schools for their children, but they also provide a stable family environment that allows children to flourish."
Didn't you noticed they've changed the universe from where they are sampling? It was poor black kids, they were unsuccessful because they came from single parent homes. Now is college young american women, married and with a job. Yeah! Being rich pays of, that I could have told you myself. 
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don't breed. Ever.
I don't intend to, I'm too old to raise them.
And again the riddle...
Where Success comes before Work?
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posted June 16, 2020 03:01 PM |
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What are you on, artu? They vote left at 85%.
Voting Democrat and not Republican doesnt mean you read the New York Times everyday. Besides, the ghettos you speak of, people mostly dont even vote.
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posted June 16, 2020 03:46 PM |
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Fun fact: People with a previous are not allowed to vote. So it comes as no surprise that 2.47% of the eligible voters in the US are not allowed to vote.
You can read all about that here.
Florida leads the list with a whopping 10.43% of the eligible voters being disenfranchised. Next in line: Mississippi, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia, Alabama.
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