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Salamandre
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posted June 05, 2021 06:10 PM |
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There is zero evidence Trump said or believes that.
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posted June 05, 2021 09:46 PM |
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He did. Couple of days it was all over the news. He just parroted the nonsense his lawyer blurted.
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posted June 05, 2021 10:08 PM |
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The "news" you are feed with.
There is no evidence from Gandalf link, that was my point, and if there was one, that journalist would have link them, instead of babbling about some NYT fake journalist tweet claiming that "he told to some persons I don't have the name", so it must be true. We had that kind of misinformation for 4 years.
Now, if you have links to Trump own words, put them. I have this.
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posted June 05, 2021 10:56 PM |
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He didn't deny it, did he.
Instead he's still full on about the "stolen elections".
And the "denial" you linked to isn't one. It just an opinion. She doesn't say, he didn't say that. She just says, TO MY KNOWLEDGE...
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posted June 05, 2021 11:22 PM |
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You cheat. We are not discussing his denial of election, but the claim that he would be in power again in august. So, you have nothing yet you stated it was "over the news". My source has an identified person, from Trump close vicinity. Your sources do not, they just spread rumors they want to be true.
Also, it looks like you need to remember what true journalism is. Facts and sources first, not some propaganda which becomes by default true if the incriminated person doesn't deny.
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posted June 05, 2021 11:53 PM |
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There seems to be consensus about this, considering that the right is confirming.
"True journalism" - from you? Please.
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posted June 06, 2021 12:36 AM |
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the 2020 election was stolen. that is a fact. inb4 "but the courts said"; they wouldn't hear the evidence. inb4 "there's no evidence"; there's mountains of evidence. inb4 "you just believe it because Trump said so"; flat-out wrong. it wasn't Trump i was paying attention to; it was everyone who wanted him removed, that i paid attention to. for 4 years, i paid attention to every source who trashed that guy. i paid very close attention during the election, because i knew what was coming due to paying attention for the last 4 years. it is why i stopped being a democrat.
even IF the 2020 election wasn't fraudulent(it was), you'd STILL have leftists and whoever else gets their news from T.V., who would vote for who they were told to vote for; simply because of the 4 years of "orange man bad" programming.
but, there wasn't enough of them to win. so they cheated. and now we're all stuck with the candidate the U.S.'s opposition wanted, who hasn't followed through with ONE of his campaign promises, and instead says that americans, or more specifically, WHITE americans, are the most dangerous threat to the U.S.
i don't say "white supremacists", because that is globalist propaganda; they hardly exist in the U.S., but mostly because anyone with a brain knows who he's really referring to: white patriots who vote against the globalist order, who are fiercely pro-constitution, and who own legal firearms.
"coming together and healing", as per the msm, or further dividing? if you don't know the answer to this question, then you're not using that grey matter between your ears. and if you think for one second none of this is true, then you are a liar. simply put. whether you are unaware of that or not, you're still guilty of it. you are responsible for that.
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posted June 06, 2021 03:14 AM |
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Well, it doesnt suddenly give you an upper hand when you put a “inb4” to obvious, hence easily predictable objections. There really is no evidence of any significant fraud and the links you presented as evidence at the time were refuted and crushed within minutes. Better move on.
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posted June 06, 2021 03:35 AM |
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the evidence was all collected and put on 2 different websites, that i linked here personally; and those links were both removed here at hc, because "there is no evidence". pretty telling, when you can openly deny something without even trying to refute it, don't you think? makes it easier to lie, if you can just flat-out deny that something exists, no? despite all the proof to the contrary?
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posted June 06, 2021 03:46 AM |
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Edited by artu at 10:07, 06 Jun 2021.
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Fred, they were removed because they were either proven to be disinformation based on half-truths or straight out lies. It was stuff like ”Biden’s votes suddenly went up at 4 am” but then you check it out, it’s about when the envelopes are opened and Trump’s votes also go up around same time.
I still dont support link removing as I already mentioned during the time, the correct way is to keep the link with its refutation. But do you actually believe that HC moderation is also part of some election scam and that’s why they removed your links, come on dude…
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posted June 06, 2021 07:40 AM |
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nothing in those links were argued with, artu. nothing. denial doesn't equate to an argument. you people's stance on this doesn't mean jack snow if you don't actually examine the evidence for yourself. those links were removed without any examination of what they pointed out clearly and concisely, at all.
and you and they know this. you're just lying to others, and to yourselves, that your stance is in any way, shape, or form, logically and morally valid. it just isn't. period.
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posted June 06, 2021 09:29 AM |
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posted June 06, 2021 09:42 AM |
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you think some youtube video based off of psychology is going to deny crystal-clear evidence? get real. you cannot refute reality with psychology; this isn't bigfoot or trailer park alien abductions i'm talking about here. like i said, you people refuse to admit any evidence of fraud is real at all; if anyone needs to watch your youtube video, it's ya'll. because your denial is because of what you CHOOSE to believe. i would never CHOOSE to believe fraud happening on such a grand scale. besides that, i stopped giving a snow about trump, remember?
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posted June 06, 2021 10:19 AM |
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Fred, your problem is you don't allow debate. You claim something, and if it gets refuted, you don't argue, you just rant that we don't get it. You know, I do think it is possible that the election was stolen, but I don't have evidence. I have suspicions, things that aren't completely clear. I would be happy to hear sound arguments.
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Salamandre
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posted June 06, 2021 10:42 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
There seems to be consensus about this, considering that the right is confirming.
Two GoP senators, as the link says. The right, yeah.
The reality is that the left is panicked he may come back, as he does have chances to be reelected, being enough unconventional to be attractive in a long time frozen political context. So they will continue the endless vendetta they did for 4 years, like they lied about his support to white nationalists, his supposed white supremacy, racism, his creation of cages for immigrants, his misogyny and many other invented claims.
Not that I consider Trump is fit for being president, many of his tweets and unrestrained declarations show he is not, but I hate so much when the press creates alternative worlds based on personal preferences. This is how election was stolen, not at ballots.
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posted June 06, 2021 10:50 AM |
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Edited by artu at 11:02, 06 Jun 2021.
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@fred
The problem is you dont know what cyrstal clear evidence is, you cant judge evidence properly and base all your other assumptions from there.
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Salamandre
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posted June 06, 2021 10:59 AM |
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Evidence is facts, not rumors or cherry picking. When the press claims he says one thing but reading his speech shows he didn't, that is crystal evidence the press is lying. Want me to go through the situations I enumerated and point how they were dishonest? I can, yet I hope you know by now what even them admitted -later - it was made up.
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posted June 06, 2021 11:04 AM |
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Edited by artu at 11:06, 06 Jun 2021.
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It was about fred’s comments about how we deny clear evidence. Started typing, something got in, pressed send much later. I dont think Trump really thinks he’ll be reinstated either, he cant be that delusional.
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posted June 06, 2021 11:18 AM |
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Trump ran his 4 years like someone starting with a comfortable ballots advance, like 10 millions, where it was exactly the opposite. He needed 10 millions to switch to his side, he didn't think about one second and bullied them all the way. That was a lethal political mistake and I am pretty sure he still doesn't get it.
But I am sure he knows he lost and there are zero chances to realistically return back in a such way. That's fantasy.
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posted June 06, 2021 11:37 AM |
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Salamandre said:
Not that I consider Trump is fit for being president, many of his tweets and unrestrained declarations show he is not,
Then stop defending him as if he was. You sound like - and yes I know, I know - these proverbial guys going, "I know, it wasn't right what Hitler did with the jews, but..."
Trump doesn't deserve any attention, since that is what he's craving for - except the attention of the courts.
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