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posted June 09, 2021 10:04 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
...and that can be investigated.
it won't be. the courts work for the opposition. at literally every level.
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posted June 09, 2021 11:13 PM |
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The cases Trump's lawyers made early on were dismissed quickly because they didn't have anything coherent to present. Some blips in data that Trump was flipping out about, but that could be easily explained. I never did claim that the election was 100% free of corruption, but there is a critical difference between some degree of fraud in play and actual fraudulent election results. The amount of fraud required to create fraudulent election results would have to be substantial, bordering on insurmountable, unless perhaps if the election outcome was balanced on the edge of a knife, which it was not.
Georgia is a wretched hive of scum and villainy so I wouldn't be surprised if some of the ballots were indeed faked.
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posted June 09, 2021 11:22 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 23:24, 09 Jun 2021.
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the courts wouldn't hear ANY evidence. they never got past the preliminary hearing(s). which, if you know anything at all about courts, reeks to high heaven all on it's own. trials have gone forward with infinitesimally less. this is a FACT.
correct me if i'm wrong, gandalf(i might be, here), but didn't trump's russian ties investigation, which was illegal and complete bs(fact), go forward for just a snowing phone call?
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posted June 09, 2021 11:50 PM |
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posted June 10, 2021 12:30 AM |
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Bush vs Gore was a 'contested election'.
This will live in infamy.
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posted June 10, 2021 03:53 AM |
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That is his opinion. His central argument seems to be that he doesn't want future elections having any doubt about the fraud claims, so it might as well come from the SCOTUS instead of the state court. I can actually appreciate that view and why he would feel that way.
But, since the evidence (or, rather, lack thereof) was already dismissed in the lower court, there wasn't a need for it to be reviewed again by the SCOTUS and they typically wouldn't do such a thing in other situations either. There is a strong desire to respect state's rights in how they handle the election process.
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posted June 10, 2021 04:32 AM |
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do you think it more important to make sure the majority of the populace's voices are heard by the people serving them, or to make sure an illusion is upheld that only some people have faith in? and not just have faith, but to actively work towards that illusion? how does that equate to a decently functioning society, in your mind?
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posted June 10, 2021 06:57 AM |
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It's normal court procedure to review the evidence and then decide whether it's enough to continue with a trial.
If you want to blame anyone - blame Trump's lawyers. Every law student knows that you must have a case before you can present it to a court. If you have not enough of a case, you'll lose before you even started.
So since Trump's lawyers are better than that, the only reasonable conclusion to draw is, they wanted to create as much of a fuzz as possible, hoping that something would stick.
Which they succeeded with.
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posted June 10, 2021 03:13 PM |
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fred79 said:
do you think it more important to make sure the majority of the populace's voices are heard by the people serving them, or to make sure an illusion is upheld that only some people have faith in? and not just have faith, but to actively work towards that illusion? how does that equate to a decently functioning society, in your mind?
A) Insofar as the courts and the legal system goes, the majority is simply a mob of people, and they are not what determine guilt or innocence, or a valid or invalid case. If you want to make a case, you have to have evidence and a coherent legal argument, not feelings. If they want an outlet for their feelings, they can try the gym, or a group therapy circle, or an all you can eat buffet, or a bar. That's not what the courtroom is for.
B) The majority of people voted for Biden.
C) The court system has a rigorous process of reviewing a case prior to its trial. Since Trump's team did not provide a coherent case, there wasn't a need for a trial. The SCOTUS seemed to agree because they ruled not to review the case either.
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posted June 10, 2021 03:26 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 15:28, 10 Jun 2021.
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i think trump's lawyers deliberately screwed up. i think they were on the opposition's side, were coerced, or threatened. the evidence was plain enough. on top of that, they didn't investigate, because it would expose the scope of the corruption. that's a hell of a thing to remedy without a complete overhaul. not to mention, it would expose the rest of the world's election fraud via the company used(dominion). it would set a precedent that those in power would not allow without a fight. this is the closest we've ever been, to fixing that issue. because this is the closest we've ever been, to identifying the issue, and acknowledging it.
you guys really don't get how far this goes. how deep and expansive the corruption and control is. take a look at the worldwide media at the time. they were ALL claiming biden won, before it was even over. and more importantly, they were all celebrating it. worldwide media. worldwide. let that sink in. if it doesn't, and you make some bs excuse for it, then you're lying to yourself. and you're doing it for the vermin's benefit.
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posted June 10, 2021 03:28 PM |
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Considering they had to dig deep into the barrel just to find some lawyers willing to take the "case" I think it is safe to say that their arguments were bound to be terrible. All of the respectable people already refused.
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posted June 10, 2021 03:30 PM |
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not respectable; they were either too chickensnow, or were unwilling to be in the spotlight to have the case thrown.
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posted June 10, 2021 03:32 PM |
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Well, of course they were unwilling to be in the spotlight. It was damaging to their reputation to go along with the idiotic claims. If I worked for a law firm I wouldn't want to touch it either lol. That is entirely irrespective of my political persuasions.
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posted June 10, 2021 03:38 PM |
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the only "idiotic claims" are those saying election fraud didn't occur, from people who had no hand in it.
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posted June 10, 2021 03:48 PM |
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Incorrect. If they want to make a case of fraud, they need to present something coherently. And then, as far as the 2020 election is concerned, they have to make a case for fraudulent results and not simply fraud. Fraud =/= fraudulent election results.
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posted June 10, 2021 03:50 PM |
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read what i already posted. the reasons are there.
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posted June 10, 2021 04:19 PM |
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The irony of 'the republic' is that the institutions which are entrusted to uphold such values are the very ones that subvert it. Trump should know it's a thankless battle. Better being Zuckerberg/Twitter and just buy off the cretins.
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posted June 10, 2021 06:03 PM |
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purerogue said:
The irony of 'the republic' is that the institutions which are entrusted to uphold such values are the very ones that subvert it.
almost, but not quite. there is a demographic more responsible than any other; and they are more often than not the source of the degradation of western society.
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posted June 10, 2021 06:25 PM |
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fred,
The cesspool may have different origins for each of us, what it always boils down to is the haves vs the have nots. Bare nature is not flattering of humanity. People do get (the leaders) they deserve.
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posted June 10, 2021 07:59 PM |
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not the leaders everyone deserves.
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