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posted April 24, 2021 05:37 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Your arguments about that letter are absurd too. The same logic as if I say "your surname is joker, why I debate with a supervillain"
And it gets even more absurd, because I didn't make any arguments. I wrote, you can debate about the letter (you can, but I didn't), but you can't debate he pays a lot of money for the school, and since there are other schools (that costs less or even nothing), it's completely in his rights to stop paying and send his child to a different school).
I just said, that it was absurd that the name of the writer was GUTMANN (Goodman). ABSURD. That doesn't say anything about the validity of the points he made (I didn't comment on that; don't expect me in this thread to actually debate). I just find it an absurd coincidence.
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posted April 24, 2021 05:46 PM |
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posted April 24, 2021 05:50 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
I just said, that it was absurd that the name of the writer was GUTMANN (Goodman). ABSURD.
I have no idea what lack of logic you use to make both its revenue and its name relevant and what is absurd about. That man is speaking his mind about what he considers a failure in education.
Of course he will move his daughter away, but not without giving his reasons, and that's a sign he doesn't consider education and culture just mercantile tools. More power to him.
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posted April 24, 2021 06:08 PM |
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@Gandalf
Grotesque as in unproportional visual elements put together to create a feeling of bizarreness. He's in his fifties dressing like a little kid. That has nothing to do with being transgender directly. You just pick an example to visually shock us and play to our "common sense" based on daily habits, what we are used to. And I dont deny him anything, including his right to dress like a six yo. I'm just telling you it is a cheap trick put a stigma on transgender people.
If you are not a Christian, don't whine abut Christianity being attacked then, that would be "pigeonholing" yourself. Whatever historical merit it brought, anybody's rights including transgenders wont be based on Christian values today, it has nothing to do with anything relevant. (Relating atheism to being a teenager is once again trolling level argument whether you are aware of it or not.)
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posted April 24, 2021 06:15 PM |
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FirePaladin said:
Homosexuality is a disease, no matter what you call it.
I can narc too.
Corribus, this is clearly an egregious insult and goes against everything Val holds dear. Please apply a -qp and prove once and for all you aren't biased.
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posted April 24, 2021 06:17 PM |
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grow up. read the post before it and resonate some understanding.
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posted April 24, 2021 06:22 PM |
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Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
I just said, that it was absurd that the name of the writer was GUTMANN (Goodman). ABSURD.
I have no idea what lack of logic you use to make both its revenue and its name relevant and what is absurd about. That man is speaking his mind about what he considers a failure in education.
Of course he will move his daughter away, but not without giving his reasons, and that's a sign he doesn't consider education and culture just mercantile tools. More power to him.
I can't help it that you don't see the absurdity of the name in connection with the letter, and I have no idea why you ignore the fact that I didn't even start to debate the actual letter.
What I can tell you is that the letter itself is absurd as well - doesn't mean the points are, but if you pay $54000 a year, twice the yearly avarage income of a US citizen, for the education of your little princess - aren't you going to inquire and inform yourself BEFOREHAND for what you are spending this amount of money? Wouldn't you? Or would you say, hey, it's expensive, it will be cool, full capitalist Western value load. Must be ok.
So the letter as such is pathetic - absurdly so.
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posted April 24, 2021 06:37 PM |
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Hmm...
someone's salty...
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posted April 24, 2021 07:35 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
aren't you going to inquire and inform yourself BEFOREHAND for what you are spending this amount of money?
So the letter as such is pathetic - absurdly so.
It helps to read the letter and the description on the blog of Bary Weiss. But, as usual you start by bullying and posting negative claptrap about his name (btw the name Gutmann is proud symbol of ancient Jewish culture), some unconscious deep national reminiscences there? - sorry couldn't resist.
The description says that his daughter has been in for 7 years, since kindergarten, and his decision to remove her is about new and unexpected policies - as the one where you have to follow anti-racism training as parent.
Moreover, Bary Weiss (which is not really an alt-right skin head) links to her own piece where she relates her interaction with parents about Harvard-Westlake, the most prestigious private school in the city, about the the school’s new plan to become an “anti-racist institution”].
So is not about what newcomers sign, but about what the schools are suddenly imposing to long time residents.
The details I added and the time spent to put them together are not for you - obviously no longer capable to grasp what's outside your software without barking first about petty and irrelevant trivialities - but to show to those still curious about what's going on in the educational area and how some dots connect.
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posted April 24, 2021 08:20 PM |
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You should research a bit more carefully - the guy's name isn't Guttman, it's Gutmann. Makes a world of difference, especially in German.
To be fair, it says the girl has been there "since kindergarden", and since it's arecent policy change, things were different "then", so what I said was absurd in fact isn't. My fault.
All the more absurd is that this upper class guy who spends $54.000 a year to have his child educated in a private all-girl school, isn't ok with the "new values", "equity" amongst them - I mean, it's clear that "equity" isn't something valued high when paying that money for a private school, making it all the more absurd that he says, if they wanted equity they would discuss the cessation of admissions preferences for legacies, siblings, and those families with especially deep pockets - which he obviously had no problem with, since he's part of that lot).
It's also absurd to get high upon the letter addressed to 600 of his PEERS - the same upper class lot. Elite taking offence in paying money for their children are not educated in the idea of equity anymore THEY have?
Please.
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posted April 25, 2021 12:14 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 12:15, 25 Apr 2021.
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Isn't it ironic how the solution to gender dysphoria is to mutilate a healthy body to reflect the broken state of the mind? You would have to be stupid to not notice that. It's like going to the doctor and having a discussion.
Transgender: Hey doc, I was born male and have male plumbing, but definitely feel female. Definitely! What's up with that?
Doc: Well, genetically you are male because of the XY chromosome. Your body has functioning male genitalia and is fit to reproduce. There is a possibility that the chemistry in your brain is not in sync with your body and therefore the confusion. Maybe you missed a testosterone phase when still developing inside the womb.
T: Ok doc, slow down. All of those fancy words just fly over my head. Don't you have a more easy explanation?
D: Sure. Think of your gender identity as the software and your body the hardware. Your hardware is completely fine, your software is not. It didn't develop well to match the functions of your body. That is the defect and why you feel you are not male.
T: Gotcha. So, I'm more interested in a solution.
D: (Just cut off your penis already.) You can try to align your gender identity, by that I mean fix your software, to match your healthy body/hardware. That is to become more accepting of the XY route in your coding that you were supposed to be male both body and mind. Or, you can take the more painful and difficult route which is to lie to yourself and make others buy into that lie that you are female. Let me remind you that the way you feel right now is the consequence of a defect, a lack of testosterone maybe, a misalignment in your bio-chemistry. You definitely can make a doctor mutilate your healthy body to reflect your gender confusion, but calling that a solution is a bit of a stretch.
T: Doc, it sounds to me you are trying to dissuade me from getting a gender reassignment surgery. I'll have none of it. You don't know me better than I do! And I can tell you I am definitely, definitely, super certainly not male. I know myself better than anyone and I made up my mind that I am female. I will also have you know that I have read all the SJW boards and am friends with people who have a lot of studies and are well informed about the subject. They have been very supportive in this decision and encourage me that this is the right way. I also read a bazillion scientific papers, so I know I did my homework, but you certainly did not. And you call yourself a doctor! No. You will schedule me for that surgery, slice my dick in half and make it look like a vagina. End of story.
D: ...
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posted April 25, 2021 02:32 PM |
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Except, it is the doctors themselves that explain forcing a gender identity and trying to “drug them into it” doesn’t work. They are the ones writing those scientific papers, not the SJW boards. And to poinr out the obvious, your hormones and genes are also the hardware, they are your body.
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posted April 25, 2021 03:03 PM |
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Heh...
Omniscience. Free will. Pick one.
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posted April 25, 2021 03:27 PM |
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Edited by Stevie at 15:28, 25 Apr 2021.
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Correction, it is the doctors themselves that explain forcing a different sex and trying to drug someone into it doesn't work. You really did not comprehend that study, did you? I went back and read your "rebuttal" about how I am contradicting myself. No, I just know the read an article in its proper context. That article had this question, which you obviously missed (and then you accuse me of skipping details?) - "Can children grow up mentally healthy if they have ambiguous genitalia?" - To which the answer is a resounding yes, thus bringing evidence that gender cannot largely be conditioned socially. The big difference here and therefore your failed parallel to trangenderism is the fact that those boys were mentally healthy and accepted their birth sex as their gender despite the fact that they were raised as females with vaginas.
In short, that study says - software works correctly, even though hardware is damaged and even though they were conditioned to feel otherwise since birth. With transgenders, the software is damaged and the hardware works. It's just that simple, but you're still confused and grasp at anything to validate your opinion.
And sure, you can point out even more obvious things, like a SSD being hardware. Does not mean it doesn't carry software. Or if you're just trying to agree with me, be more honest about it.
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posted April 25, 2021 06:25 PM |
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No, his context is very clear, by forcing a different sex, what he means is the gender identity that the parents or the doctors back in the 1950’s see fit, instead of the gender the patient feels comfortable in. And keep in mind that he is referring to children born with intersex conditions, so even the genitalia isnt properly functioning like in your example above anyway:
The child had an intersex condition. At birth, he didn't have a penis, but rather something that appeared more like an enlarged clitoris. He had a partial testicle on one side. Internally, he was half female, and he looked more female than male. Indeed, since infancy, his parents had raised him female.
Since puberty, however, that one testicle had begun producing enough male hormones to masculinize him. To all he now insisted, "You've got it wrong: I'm a boy!"
And this child wanted me to help convince his parents he was male. Moreover, he wanted me to help him get surgery so that his phallic structure looked more like a penis. I was able to do both.
I mean, come on, in the end, they directly ask him what his conclusion is and he says sexual identity is individual and you should ask the person themselves. How clearer can he be about it.
And it’s not just him that I’m talking about. Having a sex surgery is not something as easy as something you make it out to be: Link (Keep in mind that is the United States and in most of the world, it is probably even harder.) It is the doctors who are diognosing that the incompability of your genital sex and your gender identity causes you extreme distress. In many parts of the world, they still try to “cure” gay people with hormone treatment etc. It is known de facto not to work. Your “neuroanatomical brainwiring” as the doctors say, not the SJW’s, is something that always surface back. So why should these people spend their lives trying to force themselves into being someone they actually aren’t, because some conservatives are disturbed by their existence or some religions dictate their condition is a sin. Every social study shows that accepting themselves and getting accepted by society is the least neurotic way for these people, who have enough to deal with even without the social stigma. And when I say society, of course, close family members matter the most, so skip aside politics, if you happen to have a child with an intersex condition in the future and if you happen to push a gender identity on him/her going by “genitalia is hardware” analogy, they are 8 times more likely to commit suicide because of mental distress.
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