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RetsReds
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posted January 06, 2022 02:25 PM |
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Crowdfunding for new content (Cove?)
Hey guys and gals. I was toying with an idea earlier today that I'm 99.99% certain won't come to anything but I still felt like typing it out.
Have there been any attempts of crowdfunding a somewhat considerable sum of money for larger Heroes 5 content projects? For something more major like a whole new faction or something of the sorts? I'm assuming something like that would be expensive for Heroes 5 as it's 3D but if we can crowdfund enough money...?
Like, I've been jumping between HOMM III HotA and Heroes 5.5 these last few months, absolutely loving both mods, and I thought I'd gladly fork out some money to see Cove in Heroes 5... Like, I'd pay a AAA game's full price for a mod like that without hesitation.
Have there been any attempts at crowdfunding in the past? And, roughly how much would you say we'd need to crowdfund for such a project - the animation, music, etc? I'm assuming it'd be a lot but how awesome would it be if we could do it?
Anyway, I'm new here so I'm sure you've thought about it before and it's been deemed impossible/impractical. Just thought I'd daydream for a second... 
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antipaladin
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posted January 06, 2022 02:50 PM |
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you can't crowfund a mod, because you cant legally make money out of somoene elses work. since h5 belongs to ubifart, they hold the IP, they will sue you so hard...
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RetsReds
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posted January 06, 2022 03:04 PM |
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antipaladin said:
you can't crowfund a mod, because you cant legally make money out of somoene elses work. since h5 belongs to ubifart, they hold the IP, they will sue you so hard...
Well, we won't be selling the mod. The mod will be free like any other mod. We'll just crowdfund the labor cost as, I'm assuming, now one would take on the task of animating a 3D town and faction for free.
Would something like that be illegal? As far as I know, you can crowdfund for virtually anything, including an artist's labor. As long as you're not selling someone else's property, which we won't be doing, everything should be above board.
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Alyx182008
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posted January 06, 2022 04:08 PM |
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The problem is you're trying to crowdfund for something that would be based on an existing IP, that Ubisoft owns. You simply can't get around that fact, and this is what kills the idea from the very start.
Even if you want to ignore that, and say you just want to pay the labor, well you can't do that either, cause who gets to decide what would be fair price for the labor? What you'd claim is fair price for just the labor and nothing else, Ubisoft will argue in court that it's people making a clear profit.
I think I've heard of cases of mod makers accepting private donations through personal Patreon/PayPal (instead of an account tied to the project), with there being no mention that donating to them would in any way help the project being worked on. So basically you're paying their living expenses, and they may or may not work on the mod, as there would be no obligation on their part to do anything.
But I'm sure even this would be highly questionable, and I wouldn't recommend anyone risk it.
I understand the sentiment, and I've seen it repeated numerous times in multiple modding communities. But it always ends with: don't try it unless you specifically want lawyers on your doorstep.
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antipaladin
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posted January 06, 2022 04:11 PM |
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i..again, even if your not selling it, your not allowed to accept money FOR IT. its a very tricky sort of question...Technically, the answer would be no, but since the mod itself will be released for free (the money is for the artists and coders or so it seems...) than is not that different from the usual "donate if you like" and so should be legit.
that being said, your best way is to get to know those skills yourself. since, i don't think you should tempt yourself with this.
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RetsReds
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posted January 06, 2022 04:17 PM |
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Edited by RetsReds at 16:38, 06 Jan 2022.
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Alyx182008 said:
The problem is you're trying to crowdfund for something that would be based on an existing IP, that Ubisoft owns. You simply can't get around that fact, and this is what kills the idea from the very start.
Even if you want to ignore that, and say you just want to pay the labor, well you can't do that either, cause who gets to decide what would be fair price for the labor? What you'd claim is fair price for just the labor and nothing else, Ubisoft will argue in court that it's people making a clear profit.
I think I've heard of cases of mod makers accepting private donations through personal Patreon/PayPal (instead of an account tied to the project), with there being no mention that donating to them would in any way help the project being worked on. So basically you're paying their living expenses, and they may or may not work on the mod, as there would be no obligation on their part to do anything.
But I'm sure even this would be highly questionable, and I wouldn't recommend anyone risk it.
I understand the sentiment, and I've seen it repeated numerous times in multiple modding communities. But it always ends with: don't try it unless you specifically want lawyers on your doorstep.
Yea, makes sense... Pity... I would looooove to see Cove in H5... imagine the Haspids in 3D... Or the town itself!
The Patreon loophole sounds workable but probably not for a larger scale project...
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antipaladin
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posted January 06, 2022 04:46 PM |
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why not
1. lean skills make it yourself.
2. go fund a bootleg game.. chance itslready exist somewhere outthere..
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RetsReds
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posted January 06, 2022 05:09 PM |
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antipaladin said:
why not
1. lean skills make it yourself.
2. go fund a bootleg game.. chance itslready exist somewhere outthere..
1. I trust you're not trolling me. Obviously, I can't just up and learn the dozen new skills that'd be required to create a mod of such magnitude. Different people have different skills, that's why we live in a society.
2. I play and fund many different games, I don't see what that has to do with Heroes...
Anyway, I guess the whole topic is a moot point, sorry for wasting everyone's time...
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antipaladin
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posted January 07, 2022 10:26 AM |
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well, when i was young and i had time i wanted to mod h3 my way.. so i learned how too... it took time and it wasnt very good. but the feeling is best
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dredknight
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posted January 07, 2022 10:43 AM |
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I can double down on @antipaladin thought. Being involved in the work is even better than playing.
Regarding crowdfunding it sounds great but Ubisoft will not allow it in any way. May be for some little project based on donations will work but as soon as it starts to grow Ubisoft will axe it.
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antipaladin
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posted January 07, 2022 11:19 AM |
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i would however, gladly support a crowdfundme project to BUY THE IP AWAY FROM THOSE EVIL PEOPLE..
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NimoStar
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posted January 12, 2022 05:55 PM |
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You can't make something like an indiegogo
however you can set up a donation page
Moddb allows this, for example.
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LordCameron
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posted January 13, 2022 04:05 PM |
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antipaladin said:
i would however, gladly support a crowdfundme project to BUY THE IP AWAY FROM THOSE EVIL PEOPLE..
I would love it if someone did a Notch and funded/freed a Heroes game like he did with Age of Wonders. Even if it was just to secure the future of HoTA and ERA.
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NimoStar
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posted January 15, 2022 10:58 PM |
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Wolfnacht
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posted September 19, 2023 09:38 PM |
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Is it even possible to add another faction without replacing any of the existing ones? From what I've read, the 8 faction limit is hardcoded into the game and there was this one guy who supposedly held the source code and was willing to share it, but then he abandoned the Heroes V modding scene and had a beef with 5.5 devs. I haven't seen any mod that adds another faction, there is Sanctuary but it replaces Sylvan, so my knowledge stands correct as of now. Same with creatures. Pretty sure there was a similar story with Heroes III until one guy made his own programming language and tricked the game into accepting it.
You could probably find people that would do a lot for free - just look at Nexus mods for other games, like Skyrim, which people often release free of charge with optional donations. Then you could also use roaylty free music, it's usually bland but you could probably find a gem or two. The question is what faction would you add? Cove from the HoTa mod? Then you need to come up with new abilities for balance purposes and implement them, and from what I've heard from people involved in modding Heroes V in any kind of way - the code is clunky at best and the game doesn't really take adding anything new very well.
A new faction that matches the scale of complexity of the DLC one's could probably be added with no problems if it weren't for:
1. The game's code being hard to work with
2. Heroes V having a very, very small community, which will only shrink in size as time goes - Heroes III definitely has more of a cult following and even then it has like 2 major mods only, with a bunch of version 0.01 alpha towns sitting in the corner.
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Elvin
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posted September 20, 2023 07:28 AM |
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Edited by Elvin at 07:31, 20 Sep 2023.
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dredknight
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posted September 20, 2023 02:28 PM |
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Wolfnacht said:
2. Heroes V having a very, very small community, which will only shrink in size as time goes - Heroes III definitely has more of a cult following and even then it has like 2 major mods only, with a bunch of version 0.01 alpha towns sitting in the corner.
I can agree with all your points except this one. Heroes V community is growing at significant pace the last few years.
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Wolfnacht
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posted September 20, 2023 06:27 PM |
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Elvin said:
There are some towns.
[url]https://forum.heroesworld.ru/showthread.php?t=11301[/url]
[url]https://forum.heroesworld.ru/showthread.php?t=11443[/url]
[url]https://www.moddb.com/mods/snctuary-mod[/url]
And more than enough [url=https://forum.heroesworld.ru/showthread.php?t=7937]units[/url].
If you're not Russian use google translate, click sites and paste the links above. It will translate the site to your language. The Russian community is great 
I browse that forum from time to time, with the aid of a translator add-on and some knowledge of the Russian language that I've acquired in school where I learned it for 4 years (with pretty mediocre results lol), but I haven't stumbled upon most of these mods. But from what I understand, they're still replacing other towns and not adding a new one completely from scratch, that's what most state very clearly in their description.
"I haven't seen any mod that adds another faction, there is Sanctuary but it replaces Sylvan"
I only now realized how badly I constructed that sentence, but what I was trying to say is that I haven't seen mods that add new factions and units without removing (replacing) previous one's. Before anyone says "just do it yourself and stop complaining" - I mean no hate to the creators or anything, but this is not as much adding new content as it is replacing already present one and it's nowhere near the level of the Cove from HotA (excluding Sanctuary), which also arguably feels very vanilla.
dredknight said:
I can agree with all your points except this one. Heroes V community is growing at significant pace the last few years.
Well, I've definitely seen a revival of sorts in the last 5 years or so, even earlier probably. But I still see nowhere as much quality content being pumped out like it is the case with Heroes 3. Percentage growth is definitely pretty big, but in terms of flat numbers I'm a bit pessimistic about it. I doubt Heroes V community will grow nearly as large as Heroes 3 community is right now and will never get as much quality content, although I really enjoy the 5.5 mod I hope I will get proved wrong though, since I find Heroes V to be much better balanced and complex.
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dredknight
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posted September 21, 2023 08:29 AM |
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