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JollyJoker
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posted July 17, 2023 08:30 AM |
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I just said, that it's not sad, should we go down, because if that's the case we haven't learned anything from the past and fully deserve it. I'm not agreeing with Sal, because he has no grasp on what the actual problems are or how big they are, much less any kind of solution.
Solutions will need to do everything we can to make the planet a good place for everyone. If we don't do that - and we don't - it will cost yet more to keep everything as it is and in the end it still won't work.
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Salamandre
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posted July 17, 2023 10:32 AM |
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Making the planet good for everyone would require saying to Africa, China and India : stop using fossils, stop developing and stay in misery for the rest of your lives because you lost your turn.
As no one has the guts for telling reality, it's all hypocrisy, attention seeking and self incriminating, "We must, We have to, it depends on Us" blah blah.
Not gonna happen, so before the planet take care of your nation where best ideas arise, but that's harder than empty words about planet, isn't it?
Meanwhile Germany reopened 21 coal mines to show Putin how righteous we are, Planet can wait lol.
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Galaad
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posted July 17, 2023 12:25 PM |
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artu said:
I realize it is not the most glorious times for Europe but characterizing such events like "the fall of a civilization" would be a little extreme, I think.
Our leaders are just getting from bad to worse. Quality of life has been slowly but surely decreasing within the last decades, and many non-western countries nowadays see us with a bad eye. While I agree that "the fall of a civilization" is a little extreme, I'd say we are in some kind of a declining phase nonetheless.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 18, 2023 09:51 AM |
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The climate train has left the station already. We can't just stop producing carbondioxide - it's not just about fossile fuels, it's about a lot of other things as well, like stopping to produce concrete for buildings and so on.
While on the other side the ice caps are melting rapidly, which means we are in the process of losing the iceboxes of the planet, changing things as well.
Our only hope at this point is TECHNOLOGY. And we need it fast, because things are escalating fast. Uruguay is without water. Northern Italy has suffered from drought. The US? Canada? Temperature of the Atlantic Ocean? The process is rapidly accelerating and what is nothing for the world is a desaster for us.
I mean, the goals are a reduction of emissions by 45% until 2030. But that won't work and I don't even want to know how it will look in 2030.
So. We have to combine efforts, find a technological solution for the problem, apply it and make sure everyone is cared for. Allowing everyone a reasonable life, is the safest way to decease population in general. Educated, feeded people with lots of ways to entertain themselves are not keen on having lots of children.
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