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MurlocAggroB
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posted February 10, 2025 09:51 PM |
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Waurms is an archaic word for serpent, so it is real. They've used some very obscure real words for a couple creatures now (Bargeist, Astringer, and now Waurms), so they're definitely doing it on purpose.
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Gnomes2169
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Duke of the Glade
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posted February 10, 2025 11:39 PM |
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They've also referenced Ouroboros (the serpent eating its own tail) in each name with the ranged upgrade... So its name is basically "Fire infinite worm." 
Yeah, love this little nightmare critter. Inferno basically being an infestation of cosmic horror bugs, assimilating any creatures vulnerable to their hive mind and devouring the rest, is working for me.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted February 11, 2025 06:45 AM |
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It resembles H4 choice, thus you choose melee (Orge Magi) or ranged (Cyclopses).. If they decided to mix H1-H5/H7, why a Dark Elves! Ok, yes it looks well..
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kesnarii
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posted February 11, 2025 09:58 AM |
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Edited by kesnarii at 09:59, 11 Feb 2025.
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Gnomes2169 said:
They've also referenced Ouroboros (the serpent eating its own tail) in each name with the ranged upgrade... So its name is basically "Fire infinite worm."
Ouroboros means Tail Eater (ouro = ούρο -> ουρά = tail, boros = βόρος -> βορά = food).
Pyroboros means Fire Eater (pyr = πυρ = fire, boros = βόρος -> βορά = food).
So, no Pyroboros does not Fire infinite worm, but fire eating (worm).
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Rimgrabber
Promising
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posted February 11, 2025 05:59 PM |
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I agree with everyone else that this is my favorite unit revealed so far for Hive, in fact probably of any faction. In my old proposal thread I had planned to include someting based on the infernal worm of H6 in my Inferno lineup. I think this is a much cooler version of that since it's more of a serpent than a worm. I think I mentioned this before but I wonder if these things are inspired at all by the Valyrian parasites from Fire and Blood that killed Aerea Targaryan.
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Etharil
Shaper of Lore
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posted February 11, 2025 06:30 PM |
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Hey folks, I still am not allowed to do permalinks or anything like that, but here's the Hivelog for you guys to enjoy: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3105440/view/497186807117513835
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TrueMefista
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 11, 2025 07:08 PM |
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that ending is some"HOMM goes SCP" stuff
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Etharil
Shaper of Lore
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posted February 11, 2025 09:23 PM |
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TrueMefista said:
that ending is some"HOMM goes SCP" stuff
A little body horror never hurt anyone... presumably. 
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TheJoker
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posted February 11, 2025 10:09 PM |
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Etharil said:
Hey folks, I still am not allowed to do permalinks or anything like that, but here's the Hivelog for you guys to enjoy: https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/3105440/view/497186807117513835
Hi, I haven't posted in here for... I think more than 10 years. I actually had to create a new account because I didn't remember my details anymore.
Anyway, I just wanted to say I really dig what you did with Inferno.
Reading through your devlog, it's clear you care about the lore of the franchise. So you came up with a cool idea to include Inferno into the game without hurting the lore. Thumbs up for that.
I was at first sceptical about Hive, but I'm sold now.
I just wish new info wouldn't trickle so slowly.
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Charrclaw
Known Hero
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posted February 12, 2025 05:06 PM |
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MurlocAggroB
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posted February 13, 2025 12:20 AM |
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Interesting. Obvious synergy with Hive's racial ability, but it also works with the multitude of summon spells that have been revealed.
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Ghost
Undefeatable Hero
Therefore I am
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posted February 13, 2025 01:32 AM |
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Yes.. When H4 you can summon/call twice creatures.. Artifacts were Demonary, Ring of the Elementals, Staff of Summoning, etc Now's health.. I also think combined H3, you know Power.. But experienced player summons then.. Depends on spell point and knowledge..
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MurlocAggroB
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posted February 13, 2025 07:18 AM |
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I also just noticed that Tavi is a light elf, not a dark elf or wood elf. I think that's another nod towards Vori elves having a presence on Jadame, probably tying into the sixth faction.
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Etharil
Shaper of Lore
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posted February 13, 2025 07:34 PM |
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Edited by Etharil at 20:50, 13 Feb 2025.
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MurlocAggroB said:
I also just noticed that Tavi is a light elf, not a dark elf or wood elf. I think that's another nod towards Vori elves having a presence on Jadame, probably tying into the sixth faction.
Tavi is not connected to Vori in any shape or form. MM lore basically implies that elves were "one people" at some point - based on what we know, we could refer to them as Vori Elves. Then history took its turn and they split into light elves (like AvLee elves, for example but also many other places), dark elves (primarily Jadameans) and snow elves (Vori). As for Wood and High/Grand Elves: these are more like cultural / military ranks among citizens of AvLee rather than races. =)
There are other shenanigans involving Vori in lore but in terms of elves, that's the basic gist of it. ^^
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The_Polyglot
Promising
Supreme Hero
channeling capybara energy
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posted February 13, 2025 08:31 PM |
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Thanks for the clarification! I admit, I'm not especially familiar with M&M lore, never played those
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LordInsane
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posted February 14, 2025 12:15 AM |
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The_Polyglot said:
Thanks for the clarification! I admit, I'm not especially familiar with M&M lore, never played those
The established lore, prior to this, never actually specified what the Light Elves are - there's one mention and all it establishes is that they're still around about half a millennium after OE (the mention is in 1172 AS, OE takes place after 633 AS), they're different from the Dark Elves, they had a prolonged conflict with the Dark Elves and it ended "centuries" before the 1170s. So, the "Light Elves" being the AvLee Renegades and other non-dark elf off-branches of Vori is one possible interpretation and obviously the one Olden Era is going with, but another could have been that it's another name for the Snow Elves/Pure-blood, and a third that it's used in contrast to the Dark Elves and includes both the Snow Elves and groups like the Renegades and the Western Elves.
For added context, only the Dark Elves show up on Jadame in the game that took place there. No light elves in Murmurwoods there.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 15, 2025 12:53 AM |
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Etharil said:
MurlocAggroB said:
I also just noticed that Tavi is a light elf, not a dark elf or wood elf. I think that's another nod towards Vori elves having a presence on Jadame, probably tying into the sixth faction.
Tavi is not connected to Vori in any shape or form. MM lore basically implies that elves were "one people" at some point - based on what we know, we could refer to them as Vori Elves. Then history took its turn and they split into light elves (like AvLee elves, for example but also many other places), dark elves (primarily Jadameans) and snow elves (Vori). As for Wood and High/Grand Elves: these are more like cultural / military ranks among citizens of AvLee rather than races. =)
There are other shenanigans involving Vori in lore but in terms of elves, that's the basic gist of it. ^^
This is confusing me. Was there yet another split from Vori before the renegades or is Tavi from renegade elves? I also never heard of light elves before and thought AvLee elves were wood elves. Why were they never called that if it's an important distinction?
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Etharil
Shaper of Lore
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posted February 15, 2025 02:01 AM |
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Edited by Etharil at 02:05, 15 Feb 2025.
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Stevie said:
Etharil said:
MurlocAggroB said:
I also just noticed that Tavi is a light elf, not a dark elf or wood elf. I think that's another nod towards Vori elves having a presence on Jadame, probably tying into the sixth faction.
Tavi is not connected to Vori in any shape or form. MM lore basically implies that elves were "one people" at some point - based on what we know, we could refer to them as Vori Elves. Then history took its turn and they split into light elves (like AvLee elves, for example but also many other places), dark elves (primarily Jadameans) and snow elves (Vori). As for Wood and High/Grand Elves: these are more like cultural / military ranks among citizens of AvLee rather than races. =)
There are other shenanigans involving Vori in lore but in terms of elves, that's the basic gist of it. ^^
This is confusing me. Was there yet another split from Vori before the renegades or is Tavi from renegade elves? I also never heard of light elves before and thought AvLee elves were wood elves. Why were they never called that if it's an important distinction?
As far as the fragmented pieces of lore are concerned, there may have been a definite split of "First Elves" (that we can attribute to Vori Elves due to them referring to themselves as such in "modern" times) into three different types of elves as evident by the bits of lore we had available throughout the games, with the final piece of a hint like that coming from MM8 as LordInsane has pointed out (although it is open to interpretation).
And no, Tavi isn't a part of renegades that formed AvLee. ^^
On another note:
The air is buzzing from the anticipation but so is the Hive! The Queens are thrilled to show you their love. Will you accept their demonic Master’s caress?
LINK (because I cannot hyperlink yet): https://youtu.be/JudpRh6qXbs
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LordInsane
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posted February 15, 2025 02:42 AM |
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Stevie said:
This is confusing me. Was there yet another split from Vori before the renegades or is Tavi from renegade elves? I also never heard of light elves before and thought AvLee elves were wood elves. Why were they never called that if it's an important distinction?
The main reason would, presumably, be that there's little need in the context of H3/MM7-era Antagarich. It's only an important distinction if there are other elves to confuse them with, and in that time and place dark elves would only appear as rare explorers and traders, while Vori is highly isolationist. Which kingdom you're a citizen of would be a much more important consideration. Comparatively, while dark elves are the only elves seen on Jadame in MM8 two of the active major groups recently arrived from other continents, a third are led by people that were on Antagarich very, very recently, and not that far off the coast is the capital of a pirate empire stretching across the ocean between the known continents.
Plus, while the people on the planet would only be very vaguely aware of this, at least in physical appearance mainland Antagarich elves seem to be the closest to the common galactic elf, based on MM7 and MM9.
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TheJoker
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 15, 2025 09:21 AM |
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All hail the Queen! Absolutely thrilled about Hive's reveal. I love the music, I love the units, and I love the corruption by "love" theme they have going on.
Great successor (or predecessor, to be accurate) of the Inferno faction. I love them.
Small nitpick: The Mantis (T4) and Reaver (T5) look very similar to me at first glance when in combat and they stand close to each other. Hopefully my eyes will get used to it in time. The Gnat (T1) can be mistaken for the Reaver too at times.
I see some people online commenting the heros should ride on bugs rather than horses, but I disagree. Hive's theme is to corrupt people from other kingdoms and make them join their ranks, so it makes sense they would be using their horses and not some impractical bug.
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