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Immortal
Adventuring Hero
Transylvanian Dread Knight
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posted June 16, 2002 05:34 PM |
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Afterall, what`s so wrong about heroes4...
that some of you hate it that much?
-is it the development of heroes? - now you can choose whatever speciality you want by choosing the right skills, so there wont be cases -don`t pick Ryland , i want Ryland.
-is it because of how battles are fought , with the new retaliation system?
-is it because the buying system changed ?
-is it because armies move less? - you can fix that by getting rid of the slow units and use them only in battles , otherwise keep them few hexes behind the main army.
-is it because of the bugs and no multi- that`s gonna be fixed , i`m sure...
Don`t get me wrong , i do not love it more than heroes 3 yet , but still i don`t think is a crap game...
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Cane
Hired Hero
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posted June 16, 2002 07:50 PM |
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I didn't try it yet but I almost read all the messages about HOMM4 here. Most of the HOMM3 fans seems dissapointed. Lots of changes am I wrong? But that is a truth that I had difficulty playing HOMM3 when it was the first time. And it was a difficult complex game for me. All the ideas perhaps because of HOMM4 is a new world that most of us are unaware of the kind.
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sos
Known Hero
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posted June 16, 2002 08:06 PM |
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Don't know what's wrong - it's just boring ...
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Jex
Known Hero
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posted June 16, 2002 11:35 PM |
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Edited By: Jex on 16 Jun 2002
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What's Wrong???
You ask..?
I think these 2 words sum it all up - NO MULTIPLAYER!
Hotseat is ok, but not the same considering your turns are much shorter. Get up, sit down, get up, sit down, etc
Thats musical chairs not a video game. Blah.
I think one of the many reasons it is 'boring' is because all you guys are playing is single player, blah, and also CD maps/campaigns. Yawn, 3do has never really learned to make good maps, imo.
Personally I find maps made by people who have played the game to be very fun. You still need a human opponent tho 
I do agree it isnt as fast paced or exciting due to NO Chaining. But it does have it's charm. 
And I am sure we can all list 20-30 other things that make it sux. My main beef is the view.
But anyways.....we have all heard why it suxs over and over already. I know I have ranted on about it. 
So what do you find good about it???
I like the new skills, lots of crazy options. (need tons of exp tho). Also the new Classes and their bonuses add lots of options. Like getting a Dark Priest then giving him GM Combat and GM Melee. Thats scary.
The new monsters are cool, specially the spellcasting ones. This adds more thought into combats.
Lots of cool new artifacts and multiple oracles add for new and creative maps.
I dont really like the heroes being able to kill and be killed. However if a person plays with a rule like 'No Tactics Heroes' then the game isnt all about killing the Tactics hero. Which makes for a more interesting hero choices.
I just recently tryed playing with Nature and 2 Druids. First turn I summoned 6 mantises to go with my 6 Phoenixes that I had produced from my castle. Very Powerful. But still beatable by an Order Mage with Banish.
Anyways I can easily see my bro and I playing for atlest 3 monthes when MP finally arrives, verus each other and Online.
Personally I cant wait!
BTW Whats going on with maps?
My Page is: http://jexrules.tripod.com/MyMaps.htm
Anyone else know of good sites for Multiplayer Maps???
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted June 17, 2002 12:38 AM |
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speaking of maps
if or when h4 multi arrives, we will be looking for people to submit TESTED maps for ToH, though all will be medium sized or larger for now.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted June 17, 2002 12:46 AM |
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Map COuncil has several tested maps ready for submitting. We just have to rate the maps is all we are waiting on. I will again try to get Destro and WIggy to submit to me there ratings
Jinxer
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted June 17, 2002 02:37 AM |
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seems a lost cause to work on h4 maps with no official word of multi
Ive had lots of time, esp since my 2 week break from school, and coulda created 20 perfectly good maps by now, but 3do gave no reason to spend time on it. They say Multiplayer patch is coming soon...and so far 3 months after h4 release there doesnt seem to be a set date for it.
come on Ves, u gotta have some good news or somethin about it 
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted June 17, 2002 03:02 AM |
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you guys should stop dreaming, multi or not that game is snowed up for eternity lol
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Sir_Elric
Responsible
Famous Hero
Having a bad hair day.
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posted June 17, 2002 03:04 AM |
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Afterall, what`s so wrong about heroes4...
Other than no multi and real bad AI, nothing!
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wanderer
Known Hero
Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
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posted June 17, 2002 08:52 PM |
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we said that it will be a crap for those snowty ideeas like killing youre hero with a barbarian one who's attack and defence is devastating ... ( was an example) , for beeing able to have the resistance skill and NO troup to resist..
that is really a big bull***T
and many more
to not mention that.... as I said .. even if the multi patch will come in 20 days or so, until all bugs will be fixed it will take like at least 1 year ..
so until then we should stay and watch movies or play aoe or diabloII?
cuz until everything will be released in order to be able to play it as it should be , without bugs, or only with some insignifiant ones.. it will take a HELL lot of time.. and WE NEED GAME!
grrrrrr
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noogabooga
Hired Hero
Servant of Dark Magic
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posted June 18, 2002 12:04 PM |
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What's so wrong about HoMMM4?
Simple truth: CHANGE
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[size=1]I’ve had a guzzler’s gutful of all this terror talk
I think it’s time to settle down and give the fear the fork
Take a long hard look around at things that pump the heart
Thank the God Almi... too long to display...
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 18, 2002 12:20 PM |
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Whats so wrong about heroes4?
Its crap in a game format.
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted June 18, 2002 01:27 PM |
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What is wrong with heroes4
The name of the game, maybe.
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Starknight
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 19, 2002 08:31 PM |
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Whats wrong?
I havent played the game yet myself so I know nothing about the gameplay but IMO its wrong that a company releases an unfinished game, lies about its features and contents on its package and then does not seem to be in any hurry to do something about the lies (i.e mulitplayer featuer).
I dont consider a game that is in its alfa version worth purchasing. So duggy businessmanship from 3DO:s side is wrong.
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mcon1
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 19, 2002 09:38 PM |
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here are my thoughts.
I enjoyed playing all the heroes games. I played HOMM3 for a long time (and all the expansions), and I have some great memories from some of the games I played vs friends, and even vs the computer.
After a while, I stopped playing it (just like I stopped playing heroes 1, after a while).
But they are great games!
I bought heroes 4, and thought it would be the same, I would play it for a while, beat all the campeigns, have huge battles vs my friends, etc.
Maybe they changed it too much, maybe I changed, but it just isn't as fun for me. I can't really describe it, but I don't enjoy playing it as much as heroes 3 (and expansions).
The custom map potental (with the triggers and such), are all that is keeping me interested right now I'll definately try out some of the custom maps. But I don't forsee that I'll play this as much as I played Heroes 3.
Just my opinion.
mcon1
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Cane
Hired Hero
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posted June 19, 2002 11:48 PM |
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I have just play HOMM4 and I was really shocked...too many changes:
1-looks like a style as it was in the Age of Empires
2-magic is the basic principle of the game; more magical more strong
3-not the same creature system
4-very difficult to get dragons or evils
5-darkness(I hate that after investigating the map the parts that I have passed are closed in darkness; and I don't think that that's a good thing. For example I pass some parts of the map and when I go on my way there it is a creature on the way that I passed before...it wasnt there before; that is a bad event)
6-I couldn't understand the skill system; all of them depends another.
7-It looks like the best of the Heros is HOMM3
BUT
the musics of the game are great in my opinion
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Pure_Chaos
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Destroyer of Morons
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posted June 20, 2002 05:09 AM |
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I hate FOW in HoMM IV too! In AOW II, you can at least flag watch towers and mana nodes, In heroes 4 you can flag jack Sh|T
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Immortal
Adventuring Hero
Transylvanian Dread Knight
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posted June 20, 2002 06:33 PM |
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Quote:
I hate FOW in HoMM IV too! In AOW II, you can at least flag watch towers and mana nodes, In heroes 4 you can flag jack Sh|T
Then simply leave a level 1 creature where you want the FOW removed..
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CraigHack
Known Hero
Have fantasies, will travel...
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posted June 20, 2002 06:56 PM |
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The game is NOT horrible....
But... It kind of lacks heart or soul maybe..
These heroes have no character at all. They are all vanilla!
We dont care what their names are or background was. We have no favorites. We can't identify with them in any way. Not one single mage is any different from any other mage unless you screw up in picking your skills.
The artifacts are mainly junk and all those stupid potions!?
You cant really get excited about finding anything, speed items are nice but thats about it. You are rarely gonna find anything that makes a difference.
I think they listened to our complaints about some heroes who were too powerful in Heroes 3 and went TOO FAR in fixing the problem.
The same with Arties, they got rid of game busters but they again went a little too far.
It's a playable game but it doesnt grab you like previous Heroes titles did.
Can they fix it?
I still have hope.
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Immortal
Adventuring Hero
Transylvanian Dread Knight
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posted June 21, 2002 10:52 AM |
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Well , i played some of the campaigns and I found some nice arties...
Very good i think there are the ward arties if you find the right one , there are some that give 50% damage or defense to creatures , the statesman arties were improved to give you basic diplomacy even if you don`t have the skill , and many more....
Yet , i must agree they screwed the heroes by making them all the same in the beginning , but i think they did it to avoid ppl playing only few of them....
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