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uncoatedtitan
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posted June 14, 2002 12:57 PM |
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To Be or Not to be ...a ToH'er !
Hia all
What is happening? as I write this there is 23 days to the Grand opening of ToH, and their are 23 online...
I dont what this to be a slander of Heroes 3 NOR heroes 4 !!
BUT, I do want someone to explain to me what is happening. JB ( and several others ) has mentioned this in wagaly terms before, what is happening to us ToH'ers ( present or formers)?
Some prefer ToT,WW,Myhts,B@stards...and completely different games, but why ? 3 month ago this room was packed ( like 80+ on a normal weekday) now its more like 40, give or take.
Make that 19 online I know, I know, this time is a slow time for the zone, but still.
Have we lost interrest? I am slowly concidering moving on to a new game, but I still got the 'urge' for a Heroes game, mirrored or not But DARN I miss the good ole days ( by this I mean ONLY 3-4 months ago )
Make that 17 online..and counting..!
I se ALOT of ppl comming online, playing a nice lill friendly fun game, no ToT, WW, etc.
Well thats ok, imho, but WE ALL need to do something about getting ppl back online. Not saying you should quit your job,boy/girlfriend, hobbies...etc. BUT.............. something needs to be done!!!!!!!
The other sub-tourneys are recuting daily...why? I, myself are in ToT/ToH and WW ( a lowly moderator )
Make that 15 online....
Some have been complaining about ToT updates...fekk em, as we all know ( most of us ) this is run by volunteers, and I think they deserve a break, they do a okie job.
Back to my question ( whatever that is ) I tried Diablo II couple of months, back in Jan, Feb, sure it was fun, but I( prolly many of you too ) can't help yourself...the heroes itch keeps comming back, AND YOU ALL KNOW IT !!!
I had, as mentioned, a minor setback regarding Heroes early this year. I, this may seem strange to many of you, but I got my itch back from community-board.
WHY ?
Because I saw many POSITIVE threads, wich I really wanted to respond to, and so I did. Also I had my 'New player help' thread. That too made me come back. Ok, Now I see many new POSITVE threads made ( TEL,Lichy,Wanderer...and many more) some are unrelated to ToH ( coz of the new rating system ) BUT still POSITIVE threads, some are 'dragging' ole and good threads out from the past, ie. Anfi, Motor, prolly more to come
UUUHHHHH, 20 online,
But what I really like, is to get an answer to WHAT do we do to get this ToT,ToH..( sub-tourney's ) up and running again ?
Plz, this is NOT a slandering thread !!!! but just a frustated soon to be ( if nothing is done ) ToH'ers oppinion.
What do we do my fellow ( if your out there ) ToH'ers ?
All for now !
Greetings Uncoatedtitan
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Like JB say's ; I Will not loose
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Destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted June 14, 2002 01:48 PM |
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Well here is my opinion...
Most of the Volunteers are great.. I am not so good at updating regularly.. Between a memory eating virus.. the massive massive work load, heroes playing, family troubles, wife wanting "quality time" ect.. I find it difficult to sit down for that 2 hours and actually do it..
But to the topic at hand..
I think ToT is a wonderful idea.. but people have a unquenchable thirst for personal acheivement. Teams as a main ranking just doesn't get you like... there now I have this many points.. or YES.. I finally broke 20 wins.
I think people need that presence of a personal ranking and profile. We have all been spoiled by the wonderful player statistic sheets, and main rankings for toh season 4..
I mean with such a great automation system, a list of maps played, opponents played.. number of times and victory loss count for each player. How can we revert to
Destro23 wins 8 losses 6
its just not the same.
Of course to many, myself included.. I love heroes. I love playing 2o2, 1o1, 2on1, 3way ffa, 8way ffa.. whatever.. But I do yearn to go to toh and look up my name after a well deserved win or loss.. and see my stats changing..
We all invest so much time into this "hobby" and have been yes.. praise and admiration again.. spoiled absolutely rotten with the things toh provides for us that the current system just doesn't cut it.
Well thats all for now
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The Dead Walk!!!
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted June 14, 2002 02:09 PM |
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i think toh should alrdy announce new tourneys for h3 to come, believe me there are still TONS of peeps that love and play heroes3...
forget about h4 for now, if the patch comes out and its good - great!!! than we can plan on that,
but until than set it up for h3
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted June 14, 2002 03:34 PM |
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well my oppinion it is...
I think many have the same feelings about Heroes that I do...which is:
Heroes 3 was awesome, but after all these years of playin it there just wasnt the excitement that it used to have. Same maps got old, and not many new maps could be made since almost every possible style had been created and you only play what you like, and random maps either arent for you or get old after awhile. And now many are playing different games and waiting to see the final outcome for Heroes 4 multi patch and whether heroes is dead and time for new game permanently or to go play heroes 4 and have many the same experiences as with Heroes 3.
So for the remaining 23 days zone will prolly be dead, and when the 23 day countdown is over Heroes 3 activity might go up if Heroes 4 fails..or if it does ok, many will play Heroes 4. but I still think heroes 3 will do a little better regardless, since many more will be around
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted June 14, 2002 04:16 PM |
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Edited By: Jinxer on 14 Jun 2002
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WAY to much Diversity is the problem!!!!
Part of the reason IMO is that players nolonger focus there attention on 1 stable tournement.
Besides TOH , there is Myths - WW etc.
Back when there was JUST TOH. All players focused all there attention on TOH and any subtourny it may have had. Now all the players are THINNED down and spread between all these tournyies. All the tournies offer and DO the exact same thing. So I personally dont understand why a person would feel the need to start a new tourny? To me it would make much more sense to offer ALL your resources to 1 tourny and make it even stronger.
Anyways I dont got anything agasint any of these other tournies. Infact I joined the Myths Native Heroes Tourny just so I could get a game. Since my TOT team disappeared and quit. But even then I dont care about the points set up because they do that goofy set up where losers get points. lol. There no real drive to win the game with points for losers hehe. Just start a game and conceed on day 5 for a quick 20pts woohooo! Anyways, that is my personal preference.
But my point is that there is 2 many tournies popping up all offering essentially the SAME thing. And the players join all tournies and then cant devote enough time to each tourny to keep it active. i.e. Whereas before they play 12 games a week now with joining 3 tournies they play only 4 games a week in each tourny. So lower activity in each tourny. And after a while people get tired of trying to find a game and give up.. So the activity overall drops. Make sense. I have been on zone and spend 3hours looking for a game. I ask for TOT game, and everyone that day says they want Myths game. SO I join Myths then next day I spend 3 hours asking for Myths or TOT game and everyone wants WW games. so there is 2 full days of trying to find a game and no game because the players are to thinned out.
Hopefully when TOH reopens the hunger for finding a game anywhere will subside and some more stable play will be available.
Jinxer
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splexx
Known Hero
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posted June 14, 2002 04:52 PM |
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I agree Jinxer,
I stuck with ToH/ToT as long as I could.
But when I can't get game for hours,,well
Now I'm in soo many tourneys not even sure of them all.
I even joined Tribes and I HATE playin fixed maps, unless they're blind maps.
But other random map worshippers say whats the use of playing for ToT, when can't even see record from last 19 days??No slight to you Destro, you just as bewildered by the state of ToH as the rest of us. And yes we're all spoiled by ToH automation.
I myself am now hooked on the Native Hero tourney for Myths,,it's great fun,,not many players yet but more joining every day.
I hope the bloody patch is not delayed again, so we can finally get next season started and see what Ves has planned for us H3 addicts, if anything, since he is soo anti-Homm3 suddenly?
UT your right the zone is becoming a pathetic joke last few months. When I joined ToH only took a few minutes to get game with over 100 players in zone on a regular basis.
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wanderer
Known Hero
Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
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posted June 14, 2002 04:58 PM |
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Hi...
well , as you all guys noticed.. it is true , many do not play anymore for tot.. dont care anymore because if we do not have what we had last season.. as destro said.. those rankings.. games info.. etc .. no more interest is on it..
yes, many choosed WW ( I myself too) cuz there are some interesting subtournaments.., new kind of games, since the "old toh" went down.. and I can assure you.. after tha multi patch.. will be like 1 week or so 60-80 players.. and after that zone will be like now.. 20-40 players ( on good days)
homm4 is a crap , heroes4 dies.. and we lose players.. and that was all for this wonderful last season we really had.. cuz the next ones? I doubt they can change anything if we play homm4
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Immortal
Adventuring Hero
Transylvanian Dread Knight
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posted June 14, 2002 05:12 PM |
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Yes , it became harder and harder to find an opponent for any of the tournament, and when you finally find one , there are many cases i think ( i did it twice already ), when players agree to play for 2 or more tournaments in the same game ...i wanted to try to stick to ToH, but what should I do , stay and chat on Zone because there are 3 games for ww and none for ToH?And to be honest , it`s very hard to make performance in both at the same time ( need double amount of games ), so this could be a choice for many players.
As for Homm4 , i hope there will be enough players that can play it on zone ( minimum requirements , think about how much time it takes/will take to finish a game..)but i also hope there still be Homm3 subtournaments for those that can`t afford a NASA Pentium ( as many call this way the top computers in my country ).
But to be honest , my opinion is that we should support homm4 too , even if we will play it or not , otherwise many new players will look at the site as one for an old game (homm3 ) and then go play sonething else , and in this case we gonna end playing the same 3 old friends over and over...
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wanderer
Known Hero
Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
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posted June 14, 2002 05:18 PM |
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.........and still.. yes all the volunteer ones that do the updates, yes you guys do a great job really.( that was for the 1st post of me;p , i forgot to mention it)
but for this last one.. Guys and Galz..lets ask vesuvius to do a link on the main page for a vote :
1. vote for heroes3
2. vote for homm4
and we shall see.. that more than 70% will go for homm3.. you , Ves.. will say " but we still have that 30% for homm4"
yes, you are right.. you can do a subtournamet for homm4.. and you know why subtournament? because it will take time to make it "playable" until all the patches, new maps will come , so you will have enough of them to be able to choose... and until then let the next season continue with homm3 and make the updates on main page
damn , I know I might sound like a "desperate heroes3 addict" but we all must and should agree that we fear that homm4 will be a big big crap.. and we aint /dont wanna do nothing to keep the excitement..
we can make a map council ( that was a briliant ideea with guys that could do new maps for homm3) , start the "so much wanted and expected divisions) you shall see how many players will be.. zone will be UP and will RISE shine again
dat was my 2 cents ..
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splexx
Known Hero
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posted June 14, 2002 05:39 PM |
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lost cause!!
It's a lost cause trying to convince Ves that H3 will live on.
I'm resigned to the fact that H4 will be main tourney for next season.
Even if H4 is a giant steaming pile of Dog Crap, compared to H3.
But It'll be amusing to laugh at those who think multi-patch will released and ready for on-line play.
As I've said before, this is 3dO we're talking about.They will need a few more patches to patch the patch that patched the patch
So for now I'll stick to tourneys which the co-ordinators actually LIKE the game their tournament supports!!
Things have gotten so bad that Ves has to post a few lovely pics to rile everyone out of hibernation.
Sad, but true!!
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted June 14, 2002 07:12 PM |
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Wanderer, i understand your point but keep in mind that for every online heroes3 player there are many many heroes4 newbies who really likes the heroes4 game and prolly will give it a shot online when multiplayer option comes out.
Personally i dont like heroes4 at all, i keep comparing it with heroes3 and therefor i think its crap. But the only way i see to keep TOH alive is to make heroes4 main tournament. Even if some of the old vets decides to go back to heroes3 there will never be as many as it was used to be in zone. A year ago when i first made my presence in zone known all 51 rooms could be filled in no time on a regular weekday. Not to speak of the week ends. Now im really happy if there are more than 80 ppl online on a weekend. Some days i dont even log in since i see the number of players online is less than 20. Face it, many ppl have gotten bored of heroes3 and therefor moved to other games. And most likely more ppl will quit the game than join it, especially when heroes4 gets it multiplayer patch out.
So to me the option isnt between heroes3 and heroes4, to me its about heroes or some other game. With Heroes4 as main tourney, ves have said that there will also be a heroes3 sub tourn. which is big enough to involve divisions for example. I really like the sound of that.
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wanderer
Known Hero
Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
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posted June 14, 2002 08:42 PM |
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yeah Stiven but like... wont that subtournament be like the one that it is on now?
that system of rankings and points and everything.. you know.. it misses something to make it as exciteing as it was before.. and since I figured out that until all the patches will come out , and until we all will know and be able to create maps, randoms, have the knowlegde to play homm4 as it should be played... wouldnt that homm3 be the best thing to do ?
it is just a silly question I guess for most.. but from my point of view I guess I am right, and you shall see it after some time..
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jb239
Famous Hero
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posted June 14, 2002 10:18 PM |
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about the Other tourneys, but B@stards in particular
Obviously you dont remember why it was created Jinxer, but thats ok.. but those who don't know, it was an invite only tourney where you could know that if you played an opponent who was a member there was a very great chance you'd be playin with someone you could trust, and who was fun. This was around the time when the nasty heroes trainer came out and me for example was sick of having to save each turn and analyze any weird thing that happened in the game. we also could setup our own tournies with less chance of people signin up just to sign up and then never playing.
But tournies arent the reason activity fell off for Heroes 3... it was the buzz of Heroes 4 and then the dissapointment in it and the heroes series in general. But like I said, if Heroes 4 makes a comeback with the multi patch, I can see all aspects of heroes pickin up where it is now.
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted June 14, 2002 10:46 PM |
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But tournies arent the reason activity fell off for Heroes 3... it was the buzz of Heroes 4 and then the dissapointment in it
I disagree with this.
I believe that, the activity fell off for homm3, becuz there is no more ToH.
ToT, not so many ppl believes in it... Other tourneys, yeah, there is other tournaments too. But they will never get the interest and activity as ToH last season had. Because, they are new, they are not known as well as ToH. Many ppl do not trust the "new" easily. They do not want to give up on the "good old one" and go for the "new"...
However, "the good old one" is no more
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted June 14, 2002 10:58 PM |
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I believe that, the activity fell off for homm3, becuz there is no more ToH.
exactly
agreeschaaf
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted June 14, 2002 11:05 PM |
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Jb239 -- I know exactly why B@stards came about I have not forgotten! In my previous post I was not really referring to B@stards as much as I was talking mainly about Myths and WW.
B@stards is one of the funnest tournies, mainly as you said because I know I got a 99% chance of playing an honorable player.
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wanderer
Known Hero
Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
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posted June 14, 2002 11:23 PM |
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hmm agreeschaaf havent seen ya on zoen lately why?
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 15, 2002 12:14 AM |
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I disagree, I think activity was on a downslide even before heroes4 was released. The problem is, you cant play a game for 4 yrs and not get bored. Heroes4 just hastened the drop in activity.
It is possible though, that for every one person who doesnt like heroes4, two might. I dont think Ves cares if they vets come back for heroes4 or not. If ToH gets the same amount of activity when the multi patch, the mission accomplished. I think people will be surprised at how well Toh will do when does finally appear (if, that is)
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 15, 2002 03:36 AM |
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Quote:
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But tournies arent the reason activity fell off for Heroes 3... it was the buzz of Heroes 4 and then the dissapointment in it
I disagree with this.
I believe that, the activity fell off for homm3, becuz there is no more ToH.
ToT, not so many ppl believes in it... Other tourneys, yeah, there is other tournaments too. But they will never get the interest and activity as ToH last season had. Because, they are new, they are not known as well as ToH. Many ppl do not trust the "new" easily. They do not want to give up on the "good old one" and go for the "new"...
However, "the good old one" is no more
I partially agree with this because there is a new generation.
For players that were dedicated to toh since season 1-1 will always be dedicated but there are so many maany new comers & good ones too, that will & have joined other tournaments.
I too tried ta walk in Mocaras footsteps & stayed with TOH until I just couldnt say no when i was asked to join & it is really fun.
example W&W is a fun filled tournament where it's not that big but you can have alot of fun & be comfortable.
This is a new generation for young players & I hope TOH has a great plan up their sleeve.
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mklthrkngl
Known Hero
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posted June 15, 2002 04:59 AM |
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agree with rych and jb
hate to say it, but i think rych and jb pretty much got it right
Ves don't give a crap if the vets from toh like or will ever play HOMM4 multi. Why should he? look at the stats. Homm 4 the bestselling MM world game to ever hit the market. It's the only one to ever break the top 10 sellars list.
granted homm4 is very different and may not be everybodies cup of tea, and appears it never will be hehehe. Am I right Andi-HOMM4-slayer?
either way though, the game is shaping up to be a major online force if the numbers mean anything and therefore whatever HOMM3 lovers may have to say on the subject, will probably provide a huge base of wanna be tohers soon after multi shows up.
you think Ves doesn't know this? You think he also doesn't know that his TOH tourney is the only online site setup to provide a tourney for the game so far?
hell!!!! i wouldn't be surprised if Ves decides it time fer members to start kickin in some user fee,s
lolololol
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