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posted December 12, 2002 01:50 AM |
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Yeah, well, a Chinese guy killed a bunch of American babies. His name was Chan. It happened 6 or 7 years ago. He didn't get punished, in fact he was given more babies to kill since he had done such a good job of it. Seriously, I remember
And a french guy, Jean Phillipe, he ran around New York city kicking puppies for fun. Really, he did, everybody in NYC knows about it.
Oh yeah, and there was that Russian guy, Yuri, he was eating people's brains in LA on Friday. It was all over the papers, honest.
Everybody is committing atrocities against the US. Really, I swear, I have names and everything, so it must be true.
yehyeh.....there's no point arguing over that thing. If u know anyone in mainland china, go ask them. They should know it. It happened 1 year ago. Or, look for the news. If u are in north america, u think US government will be stupid enough to give such a news to its residence? Go to Korea and take a look! Go to China and ask someone! Go to Japan and see! That way you should have a better knowledge of what's happening in other places. Truth does not come from US only.
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posted December 12, 2002 02:24 AM |
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yehyeh.....there's no point arguing over that thing. If u know anyone in mainland china, go ask them. They should know it. It happened 1 year ago. Or, look for the news. If u are in north america, u think US government will be stupid enough to give such a news to its residence? Go to Korea and take a look! Go to China and ask someone! Go to Japan and see! That way you should have a better knowledge of what's happening in other places. Truth does not come from US only.
Well, you'll forgive me if I don't believe some guy/girl who claims something happened and yet they absolutely refuse to provide a link to even a disreputable paper that confirms their claims. Could what you claim have happened? Yes. But if you're not going to provide even the slightest documentation to back up your claims then hell, why should anybody believe you?
Truth doesn't only come from the US, but it very, very rarely comes from a message board.
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posted December 12, 2002 04:38 AM |
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well i've been always searching....but u know it's hard to find reference to long time ago news. But lucky, I found some reference. If u can read Chinese, go for a look...
http://news.sohu.com/26/11/news148151126.shtml
http://news.sohu.com/30/17/news148161730.shtml
http://news.sohu.com/29/36/news148143629.shtml
http://news.sohu.com/75/81/news148138175.shtml (this one has a picture attached, though blurry)
http://news.sohu.com/64/81/news148138164.shtml (victim decided to sue Mark for 1 buck)
http://news.sohu.com/94/57/news148125794.shtml (many pictures! And the picture was taken when Mark's apologizing. Not serious at all. And He did it again, as the last URL said.)
http://news.sohu.com/00/89/news148118900.shtml (this thread shows some patriotism, but i think they just wrote it to make themselves look good. Mark apologized in the end, and says "please let me go, Help!"
And the big surprise is...........
http://news.sohu.com/17/58/news148125817.shtml (Mark has done it the second time!!)
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posted December 12, 2002 04:51 AM |
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http://news.sohu.com/02/49/news145814902.shtml
Also few example why US is well hated in Asia: (recent)
First part: US soldier raped japanese women.
Second part says US wanted to use military rehearsal on a island (which does not belong to US, of course), but local residents resisted. So they stopped.
Third part: a US soldier killed a reporter. A US jet has bombarded Korea in a rehearsal (by mistake), and destroyed some buildings. But they continued the same air shooting rehearsal during the night few days later, despite protests of people living near. US has been releasing toxic waste in the Han river. But US refuse to pay the fine, and claim that's within their regular work routine. (by the way, it's south korea)
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posted December 12, 2002 05:01 AM |
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ahahah.....i've found something even i didn't know!
http://news.sohu.com/52/45/news204894552.shtml
2 US soldiers ran over 2 korean girl. But Korean court found they are justified doing so. This picture is the girl's father protesting, but got stopped by police. (south korea supports US) Also because Korean law system cannot charge US citizen.
http://news.sohu.com/18/54/news204555418.shtml
Because US courted found US killers unguilty, koreans protested. This is when they burn the US flag. They have been throwing eggs at US military base. One split his finger and wrote down with his blood "Americans out of Korea"(my sucky translation)
http://news.sohu.com/74/99/news204669974.shtml
Same event. Just 2000 students protested.
uh.......guess that was off topic. Anyway, according to some analyzers, US won't be able to attack iraq within 30 days. They need to get organized and do all sort of preparations. So they've predicted US will attack in January.
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posted December 12, 2002 06:59 AM |
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Tree:
Thanks for furnishing your "sources" and I am more or less aware of the "Mark incident" now.
I believe you do read chinese and understand what these 2 people are trying to say in the two URL
http://news.sohu.com/30/17/news148161730.shtml and
http://news.sohu.com/29/36/news148143629.shtml
provided by you. They brought up and stress on a very important point, which I hope you and others could see, that is
this is an incident about a guy named Mark(probably after a few cans of beers) removing (or trying to remove) the second button of the blouse of a woman in a crowded bus;
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NOT an incident about USA sexually assaulting China (?), as some media would like to put it!
They have very mature and sensitive views to this incident and to what exactly is going on. I suggest you read them again (or just read it, if you have not before) and try to think about this incident again as you would and not as what the media want you to.
Surely, you know very well that not all Americans are saints, just as not all Iraqi are bastards, right? Just like the chinese saying goes, crudely translated as, "don't hit all the people on the boat with one bamboo pole".  We are all aware of some of the things Americans, and as a matter of fact other nationalities as well, have done around the world, but what does that mean?
By the way, the last URL (and the second last) about the "Mark incident"
http://news.sohu.com/17/58/news148125817.shtml
seems to be cited from some local newspaper (not that there is no truth in small local paper, but you would not be so readily buy what is reported in a local-gossip-paper about the capture of an ET right?). I may very likely be wrong and I confess that I have not try to find out about any of the newspapers your URLs have cited from. However, I suppose you know what I am/was trying to say here/previous post, that you may have read a lot from newspapers and/or whatever, but have you read selectively (or logically ).
As always said, "Don't believe everything you're told".
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posted December 12, 2002 02:23 PM |
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Because US courted found US killers unguilty, koreans protested. This is when they burn the US flag. They have been throwing eggs at US military base. One split his finger and wrote down with his blood "Americans out of Korea"(my sucky translation)
Why do American Troops need to stay there? Because the South Koreans depend on them for protection from the Commies to the North.
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posted December 12, 2002 04:20 PM |
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but will that make them justified to kill koreans without receiving punishment? If todya, u r bullied and I saved u, does it mean i can justifiably kill u next day? And don't just pick a single point. THere's plenty.
I don't think those r worth to explain...if u want to, just look again. If u see differently as I do, i guess there's no point arguing. Just different point of view between countries.
anyway, previous page is unrelated to the topic.
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posted December 12, 2002 06:02 PM |
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Things like that happen all the time in the U.S. and probably all over the world. But you can't say all the U.S. military is bad.
go to:
http://asia.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/east/12/11/korea.us.pact.reut/index.html It has an article about the aquital.
Did you ever stop to think that it was an accident? If the girls were looking where they were going maybe this wouldn't have happened.
Back on topic methinks
Some Muslims say the U.S. is against Muslims and wants to kill them all, because the U.S. wants to attack Iraq. That is rediculus.
-In Somalia U.S. troops worked on saving the people from the Warlords. The people happened to be Muslim.
-In Kuwait, when Saddam invaded the U.S. saved them there too.
-In Kosovo, worked there against ethnic cleansing(the Muslims were being cleansed)
There were more on the news but I can't remember all of them.
In another news story a reporter interviewed two Saudi Leaders. He asked them if they thought Osama bin Laden was a good person, and they both said he was the greatest person in the world. They said the U.S. kills innocent muslims and they should die.
Then the reporter brought up 9/11, and asked if they supported the attacks. They both said they were great attacks. The reporter said "arn't they innocent civilians too?" They replied that since they can't kill the ones who killed the muslims it was justified.
So to sum it up, it is ok to kill innocent Americans but it is a terrible thing to kill Muslims (innocent or not).
I don't understand this logic.
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posted December 12, 2002 06:07 PM |
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To be fair wolfman you pulled out of Somalia well before actually getting the job done and botching the process along the way!
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posted December 12, 2002 06:42 PM |
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Maybe so but we were not trying to kill Muslims
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posted December 12, 2002 08:30 PM |
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But you did abbandon them to starvation.........
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posted December 12, 2002 10:16 PM |
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I don't remember the British going in to save them...
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posted December 12, 2002 11:37 PM |
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Perhaps because we were already heavily committed in sierra leone in a similar situation? One we actually saw the end of rather than running off when we took casualties?
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posted December 13, 2002 12:35 AM |
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Can't do anything about it now, can we?
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posted December 13, 2002 12:54 AM |
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Nah conviniently and luckily the bugger who was starving the population of the country died some time ago in a civil war gun battle with a rival faction. Sure saves having to go and do the job yourselves though..........
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posted December 13, 2002 01:18 AM |
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Yes, that is true.
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posted December 14, 2002 06:02 AM |
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“If u are in north america, u think US government will be stupid enough to give such a news to its residence?”
That is pretty funny…obviously you are unaware that since the 1700’s america has been one of the countries at the forefront of the freedom of press. We get all the news here… even the really embarrassing and stupid things Americans do. Our government does not censor our news….and even if they did…we have completely free access to the internet and can read from other reputable news sources in other countries…such as the great BBC.
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“this is an incident about a guy named Mark(probably after a few cans of beers) removing (or trying to remove) the second button of the blouse of a woman in a crowded bus;
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NOT an incident about USA sexually assaulting China (?), as some media would like to put it! “
Thanks Snogard…I wondering how I was going to read any articles in Chinese language…so I glad someone whom I respect read and relayed the material. I was highly suspect to begin with because when we screw up we hear about it in our news That incident that was reported is definitely a far cry from Tree’s initial report that ““ And US people in china can sexually assault Chinese women, and receive no punishment (but receive praise). “ Sounds like a pervert….but not like a mass pattern by many people as Tree initially implied.
I guess by Tree’s logic next time a Chinese man sexually assaults in the USA that therefore all Chinese are sexually assaulting Americans and getting praised all the while. Every country has perverts and all should be justly punished. To try to ascribe blame on all Americans is wrong…and I guess that is what concerns me most about Tree’s statements is that he/she looks for reasons to dishonor the USA instead of thinking that certain things happen in life and are not necessarily a pattern of Americans or any group at all. It really comes down to a racist view point…which we all of course struggle with, but we should strive to make our judgments objectively and not through the distorted lens of racism.
Good post Wolfman about Americans interventions to save all mankind including Muslims.
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“But you did abandon them to starvation.........”
I will be the first to admit that we screwed up in Somalia (Clinton is a coward)…but out of an effort to do good mind you…we lost people there and then Clinton got too concerned about the media’s representation so Clinton withdrew (he has no stomach for a realistic view of the military and violence). We did not abandon them to starvation…that is due to their wonderful warlords…not us. I love how a nation creates indirectly or indirectly its own problems….we try to help out….we fail…and then we get blamed for the initial situation we were trying to assist in. Goes back to the whole wonderfully racist mentality…that all evil arises from America.
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“Sure saves having to go and do the job yourselves though..........”
I am sorry…this is our job how? Oh yes I forgot the 101th amendment in the American constitution says that america must intervene and save everyone from every bad situation in the world. Quite ridiculous. I thought so many were complaining that we shouldn’t intervene in a sovereign nations problems such as in Iraq…but then when we blunder in Somalia we are wrong to leave.
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posted December 16, 2002 12:17 AM |
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Goes back to the whole wonderfully racist mentality…that all evil arises from America.
If that were true, why were there wars before the U.S. was established
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posted December 16, 2002 12:45 AM |
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Because we're all barbarians of course!
I mistyped that one, your role was not to abbandon the job half done, you promised to kill or capture the swine responsible for the situation there and pulled right back out as soon as it got politically bad. You made the situation worse! My argument was more that once you intervene you shouldn't just pull right back out as soon as you mess up and then worsen the situation. Is this what we should expect from America if the proverbial hits the fan in iraq? You think it's good to promise to solve a situation where thousands are dying and then run off when less than a score of yours die?
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