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privatehudson
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These protesters complain about the war in Iraq but I don’t see them doing anything about North Korea where people are starving and dying, I don’t see these protesting about Israel and Palestine and the killing that goes on there. They didn’t even protest when Saddam Hussein killed thousands of Kurdish civilians with chemical and biological weapons or when children were led into minefields in the Iraq/Iran war to make a clear road for troops.
A) You don't pay attention enough then, there's been protests/discussion on those matters for as long as I remember.
B) What would you have them do?
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I guess none of that means anything to these protesters since the only thing between their ears is space dust.
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It is always seen as Americas fault. Every other country is innocent but America. America is always wrong.
I could be wrong, but I think only 1 or 2 people here have suggested such a thing, and I'm not one of them
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So the torture of millions of civilians is Bush’s fault? The Iraqis attacking the Kurds is America’s fault?
Post 1991 it falls to those nations involved in gulf war 1 and the UN to face some of the blame yes.
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Forget the UN they’re a waste of time
It's been made that way because countries ignore it.
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If we leave now and pull out, those civilians who supported the coalition will be killed by Saddam for supporting them
Pretty much like we did last time....
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They’re all right, most of these protestors don’t work, they feed off the system and in general they don’t really give a stuff about anything unless it suits them, and they are so misinformed about this war.
Guess we can add ignorance and a will to generalise to your list of "abilities" then.
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Where do they get your information from to back up your claims, I’m guessing the back of a Cornflakes box.
Along with desperation.
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OMG! Truancy REALLY compares with the possible illegal invasion of a sovereign state doesn't it? *rolls eyes*
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It seems rather ironic that these protestors are against war and violence yet they pelt people’s cars with eggs and paint, throw café furniture at police, keep knives with them, run around naked in the city, smashing windows and breaking out in to fights
Taking a small percentage of those involved and making it sound like everyone does such things.... another wonderful "ability" of yours.
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If Bill Clinton were in power would you still be against the war
Not that it makes a difference to me being british, but probably I'd be against the use of invasion and bombing yes.
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If the answer is YES then it just proves my point that you’re out then it proves that you only protest when it suits you
We'll add drawing far reaching conclusions on little evidence to your "abilities" shall we? How do YOU know I did not oppose those conflicts? (those I was alive during anyway). Fact is you don't do you?
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Note: For those in other countries who are against the war they also disgust me. If it weren’t for the Americans in world war two, the British would be speaking German, the French would be speaking German, China would be speaking Japanese and so would Australia.
*yawns* If I hear one more dumbass comment like this I'll scream. Please refrain from moronic comments that make it sound like america was some sort of superhero that won WWII singlehandedly eh?
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So my advice to these protestors is to grow up, get a life and grow a brain.
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posted March 27, 2003 06:25 PM |
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It´s a sad picture how some of you are eager to swallow every single piece of American war propaganda. Good to read PH´s voice of reason here ... myself I felt tempted to post, now that I´m back from vacation, but I couldn´t have done it half as well, so I leave all the work to him .
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posted March 27, 2003 06:32 PM |
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No please, lend a hand, it's getting time consuming pointing out flaws in arguments here.... too many, not enough time
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posted March 27, 2003 09:17 PM |
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#1 gootch.: u know what the difference between me and u is?
i, unlike you, am not a closed minded, bush admiring, militarist, communist hating, idiotic, naive, ignorant...ect.ect zealot who thinks that the world exist only for the us to be somewhere. I think that those coments about my age and political orientation have nothing to do with me crisitsing the US. i do not like on things like this.
I find it arogant, ignorant and very imature to talk about me like that. I am sure that i have read books of which u wouldn't even uderstand the concept. And if u want to get personal I'm quite sure u have nevere laerned another laguage in 4 months...in fact you probably can't speak another language then english...see i have nothing against the american people, i think that they actualy are a nice folk, except for ones like youself...and don't talk about the communist and like-wise partys not being closely moniteored by the american goverment...like what happenmed at the oscars for example is enough...in you i see that you have a dissrispect for other peopls oppinions and for the rest of the world...please if you want to compare us i see a difference in the level of matuirty when you started witht eh personal coments without any sort of provioking...
and back to iraq...i see that the so called allies are progeressing quicly yet i see it very odd that there are so many freidnly fire casualties..
for now the americans report resistance and they wonder how that is?! well they "allways have been supportive of the iraqi people , and all muslims and the whole world loves them right?"
I sometimesh think that they only play dumb...
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posted March 28, 2003 05:14 AM |
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how can people be so ignorant and hypocrites why is it that the u.s. has this sudden interest against saddam hussein oh we need to liberate the people that is the excuse if that is the true reason for the u.s. to play a big guardian angel then why didnt we helped the cubans or the colombians before iraq they are in just as much or more need huh?? could it be an interest with the oil in iraq i think so and you should too how can people say america is the land of freedom but we publicly show signs of hate and racism against the french for not supporting the americans and how dare the americans to say that the french owe the americans for world war 2 that is bullchit. but hey we want peace of course when has peace been gained with war never hasnt pacifist people like marthin luther king or what gandhi showed why cant we learn that peace is not gained with a gun.i guess america being as militaristic as it is can only be expected to fall like other civilizations because it will fall nothing can stop that it will fall and another country will take its place as a warmonger wannabe pacifist country oh well what can we do when a president is elected when the people elected another person. bush won because he messed with the election polls dont believe me dont care just saying my peace.
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posted March 28, 2003 06:39 AM |
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“If you quote from me, don't treat me as a 3rd person.”
Long ago I tried to refrain from always mentioning people’s names as I didn’t want it to get personal all the time. It is not meant as an insult…quite the contrary.
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“One name, Guantanamo Bay! Like you're sticking to the convention there huh?”
Hmmm Geneva Convention is about wars with recognized nations (i.e. Iraq, USA, etc.) it has nothing whatsoever to do with enemy combatants and terrorists.
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“Standard special forces tactics really, let's not be biased here huh?”
With all the atrocities that are being performed by Saddam’s legions I am shocked that you try to compare it to normal warfare…there are rules of war which you of all people should be aware of instead of minimizing the atrocities! I am disgusted by these rationalizations…next when they use chemical weapons I suppose you will try to make that sound reasonable also. So what is your rationalization for using innocent families as human shields?…what is your rationalization of Saddam forcing people to “kill American’s” or he will kill their families?
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“These protesters complain about the war in Iraq but I don’t see them doing anything about North Korea where people are starving and dying, I don’t see these protesting about Israel and Palestine and the killing that goes on there. They didn’t even protest when Saddam Hussein killed thousands of Kurdish civilians with chemical and biological weapons or when children were led into minefields in the Iraq/Iran war to make a clear road for troops.”
Exactly! Which shows not only their total hypocrisy and lack of honor but moreover indicates the “peace” rallies are not about peace at all…most of them are only anti-American. anti–capitalism and anti-bush. Where were all these wonderful peace zealots during Kosovo. Bosnia, etc??? Bunch of self righteous and disingenuous people! If they showed some consistency then I could at least applaud their freedom of speech…but when they try to deceive on such a grand scale it is pathetic. Also why does so much violence, hatred, and aggressiveness happen at “peace” rallies????? The facts speak for themselves.
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“I could be wrong, but I think only 1 or 2 people here have suggested such a thing”
Actually I think you are incorrect…there has been at least 15 posters that blame everything on America and another about 10 who definitely have a strong emotional bias against the USA.
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“Good to read PH´s voice of reason here ... myself I felt tempted to post, now that I´m back from vacation,”
That is funny since Lews hadn’t been around I thought that PH was Lews…can’t tell you guys much apart in the last 20 pages…whereas there use to be a distinct difference.
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posted March 28, 2003 06:55 AM |
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why do ppl enjoy talking about politics so much???i rather play chess instead.
now listen carefully you guys.
i'v heard so many IDIOTS say that Bush is Dum that i begin 2 wonder, ppl probly won't stop laughing at a president till he/she stops making any decisions...ppl hate Bush for everything, sometimes even for having a bad job or for unpleasant weather. stop saying bad things about our almighty Bush and mind your own business.
the strong livez and the weak shall die, canada already feels good enough to be a nite (or a rook if you really think about it) under the america's control. Bush is a good chess player i would say.
but i wouln't say that Bush is the one who is making the decisions rite now, the human nature is.
also, tony is always america's friend, isn't he?
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posted March 28, 2003 07:58 AM |
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"Long ago I tried to refrain from always mentioning people’s names as I didn’t want it to get personal all the time. It is not meant as an insult…quite the contrary."
OK, Dargon, I see, but I still don't like it. You generalize too much.
Kasparov, I would play chess with you anytime. Just mail me.
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posted March 28, 2003 10:09 AM |
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What say we put him and FOT in a jar together, shake it up a bit and watch the fun?
LOL! Very ... scientific.
Sometimes I wonder, what will it be like if some of the more "significant western countries" also agreed to removing Saddam Hussein by force ...? Will supporters of war (public) around the world increase, or/and protestors decrease merely because of that? Will the Islamic world view it as "Jihad", also merely because of that? Will "Bush's decision" becomes more or less justifiable (again, merely because of that)?
Say, have anyone given a thought of what you would do (as in supporting or not supporting "US") if you were a president/prime minister of your country?
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privatehudson
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posted March 28, 2003 12:18 PM |
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So? It's alright to abuse ALLEGED (note not proved, you've barely ever offered any evidence of their guilt or otherwise) terrorists because they don't belong to a recognised country? Here's a thought if those ALLEGED terrorists are not terrorists at all, they WERE fighting for a legitimate country..... geneva convention applies there does it not? Is it any wonder they have never been tried, because I'm willing to bet the evidence on many of them was pretty slim as to whether they were terrorists or simply members of the Taliban army...
The point still stands though, you can't expect others to follow the convention for your troops if you don't follow it with similar ones to theirs either.
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With all the atrocities that are being performed by Saddam’s legions I am shocked that you try to compare it to normal warfare…
Your specific allegation: Troops dressing up as civilians to kill the enemy. This is standard practice in units like the SAS since the second world war when they dressed as arabs to confuse the germans in the desert. Like I said, hypocrisy does no-one any good.
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there are rules of war which you of all people should be aware of instead of minimizing the atrocities!
I'm aware of them thank you, and the fact that the "civilised" armies break and abuse them when needs be also. The Israeli's used deception in the Entebbe Raid by using a Limo which was similar to Amin's. Should we begin to charge the SAS and the Israeli army for the same crimes? Where were YOU denouncing the use of such tactics by the SAS and american special forces in the last gulf war?
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I am disgusted by these rationalizations…
Really? Where you disgusted when Iraqui army troops were deceieved by similar tactics and killed? I doubt that somehow.
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next when they use chemical weapons I suppose you will try to make that sound reasonable also.
I see you and Katino have been taking lessons from eachother on stretching a point too far. You're being hypocritical about some of the tactics used, and selective of whom does and does not get treated to rights under the geneva convention and you accuse me of being irrational? And no, to answer you I would not make it sound reasonable, though I'm sure you could find a way of making the use of depleted uranium rounds without proper NBC equipment (possibly leading to ilness and diseases amongst the allied armies) sound like a good tactic.....
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So what is your rationalization for using innocent families as human shields?…
I don't recall defending such a tactic, just saying that the Russians used it at stalingrad as well if you count defending a town or city as "using human shields".
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what is your rationalization of Saddam forcing people to “kill American’s” or he will kill their families?
Sounds astoundingly like propaganda to me, but no I wouldn't defend such an issue, don't recall hinting that I would either.
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Where were all these wonderful peace zealots during Kosovo. Bosnia, etc???
Precisely how do you know none of them tried to protest? You don't do you?
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Also why does so much violence, hatred, and aggressiveness happen at “peace” rallies?????
Happens at 99% of rallies, there's always a violent minority in any set of people.
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there has been at least 15 posters that blame everything on America
I've not seen them post more than a couple of times then.
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and another about 10 who definitely have a strong emotional bias against the USA.
In your opinion. You take people's opposition to this conflict as opposition to america ignoring the fact that they blame other leading countries too such as Britain because it's easier to denounce them as anti-american than deal with the issue at hand.
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can’t tell you guys much apart in the last 20 pages…whereas there use to be a distinct difference.
How insulting, you're just incapable of fighting some arguments without resorting to this "strong anti-american emotion" rubbish that you have no way of proving
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posted March 28, 2003 03:07 PM |
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Garri, why did you behave like a moron at the Linares closing ceremony?
And PH, great how you´re swinging the pitchfork through all this dung. I may add:
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there are rules of war which you of all people should be aware of instead of minimizing the atrocities!
Throwing down bombs from planes on people who have no air defense = good!
Creating surprise attacks by means of pretense = bad! 
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They didn’t even protest when Saddam Hussein killed thousands of Kurdish civilians with chemical and biological weapons or when children were led into minefields in the Iraq/Iran war to make a clear road for troops.”
Please stop shooting yourself in the foot, Dargon. It was the US who kept close friendship to Iraq even after Saddam gassed the kurds. It was the US who made the Iraq strong, who gave them all those weapons of mass destruction that were used to commit atrocities in the war with Iran. Back then it was Donald Rumsfeld himself shaking hands with his friend Saddam.
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posted March 28, 2003 10:20 PM |
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ok dargon the USA is vilanized but the same thing is going on in te US. Except they don't say it publicaly. It is obvious that the soldiers are being told that the iraqi soldier are bad and that IRAQ=BAD...
Now to what the Iraqis are doing is something called partisan or guerrilla warfare. It is a simple tactic...the fact that they are staying in cities is a tactical move...
As you have heard the british general mr.whatever said that the americans strongly underestimated the iraqis, htey thought that it was going to be just another afghanistan but this underestimation can be very costly for them. the fact that the us is sending 100 000 more units is not because they were surprised(as they clamed)...how more obvious can it get...
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces on Sunday found what they believe to be a "huge" chemical weapons factory near the Iraqi city of Najaf, about 100 miles south of Baghdad, U.S. networks and the Jerusalem Post reported.
By the way, what´s with that "huge" chemical weapons factory near Najaf? Haven´t heard much of it lately .
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It is obvious that the soldiers are being told that the iraqi soldier are bad and that IRAQ=BAD...
Dunno about the yanks, but this isn't true for the british I know for sure. Our generals are telling the troops to be unrelenting to the Iraqui army in battle, but magnaminous (kind) to them in their defeat and the civilians all the time. Not seen american equivalent speeches to comment on what their troops are being told sorry.
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As you have heard the british general mr.whatever said that the americans strongly underestimated the iraqis
Hardly suprising, they told us it would all be over by now did they not? Fighting for towns and cities on the enemy's homeland is a little more difficult than battering their army out of their desert positions like we did 12 years ago. Anyone could have told you that this war would have been difficult if not more drawn out than the millitary claimed.
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that the us is sending 100 000 more units is not because they were surprised
Sure hope they don't want a similar comittment from the british, perhaps they should see how "willing" this coallition really is huh? the spanish and italians have sizable and reasnobaly trained/equiped armies after all, perhaps it's time they showed some "willing" rather than let the 2 main powers do the fighting once again. If the americans are expecting more british troops, well lets just say that won't go down too well in the UK if more british troops are shipped out into a war that we clearly underestimated.
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posted March 29, 2003 02:36 AM |
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“It´s a sad picture how some of you are eager to swallow every single piece of American war propaganda.”
-Lews_Therin
I do not only find this sad indeed, I also find it unbelievable how some people blindly take the things they see on TV for granted. With this post I mean to show how we are systematically and intentionally misled by the media. Although Iraqi propaganda is of course equally guilty of this, I will focus on American propaganda. The reason for this is that American propaganda obviously has a larger impact on the people here than Iraqi propaganda.
Since the Vietnam catastrophe, the USA has been convinced of the importance of controlling the media. This can be clearly seen in the First Gulf War, where the USA informed the media in a way that was new in many respects. During the summer of 1990 George Bush senior and his government started to compare the oncoming war with World War II, where Iraq was Nazi-Germany and where Saddam Hussein was Adolf Hitler.
Of course this view was reinforced by the government in any possible way, which can be showed by the story of ‘Najirah’. This alleged nurse tells us she saw how Iraqi soldiers took babies out of their incubators and left them on the cold floor where they died. But in fact Najirah was the daughter of the Quwaitian ambassador of the USA and the whole story was made up by the publicity bureau Hill and Knowlton. Thus, a view of a barbaric and extremely dangerous enemy was easily created.
But also during the First Gulf War, the average American civilian was continuously misled. The American Ministry of Defense allows just a few preselected journalists in the war area and even they are firmly controlled. Before what they film is sent out, their material is accurately screened by press officers. That is called a safety investigation. The deaths of American soldiers are censored and any opinions of soldiers that are in conflict with the official view are not allowed. Instead the journalists show how well the war proceeds for the USA and how flawless their technology works.
The mediaspecialists of the American army give their press conferences in a recognizable pattern too. Cheerfully and well prepared they give a short introduction. After that they show carefully preselected images of militairy objectives with a crosshair on it. A few seconds later you see the explosion of a rocket and the destruction of the target. Critical questions are not appreciated. I even heard stories of journalists losing their jobs after posing such questions.
These are only a few examples of propaganda during the First Gulf War. But I am sure that these media techniques seem familiar to many of us. Now let me tell you how ‘clean’ this war really was. During ‘Operation Desert Storm’ 88500 tons of boms were dropped on Iraq and Quwait. Of these bombs, only 7% were ‘smart’ bombs. And even more than 40% of these smart bombs missed their goal. From the other bombs 70% hit an other goal than they were planned to hit. Even general Schwarzkopf admits on 27 februari 1991 that many of the information that was revealed, was carefully planned misinformation. But what shocks me the most is that 79% of all Americans during the First Gulf War is convinced of being informed rightfully!! That makes one think...
And now the story repeats itself. Images of fallen American soldiers are held away from Americans (they could be seen here in Europe though). CNN broadcasts tanks which quickly proceed through the desert and reports the fall of one city after another. But three days later it appears, for example, that the city of Umm Qasr is still not taken. My conclusion is that we are being lied to intentionally and systematically. I cannot say anything else than that the American government spreads lies. Of course many will argue that propaganda is a necessary evil. But it makes one wonder to what end we can trust Bush concerning other aspects of this war. If he lies about the progress of the war, does he lie about his motives for this war too? Doesn’t this violate the basics of democracy?
I must stress that it is not my intention to purely bash America, because it is likely that other countries will use the same media techniques where they can. And as I said Iraq is as guilty of this propaganda as well. But I hope that those who blindly believe what is on TV start thinking when reading this.
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If he lies about the progress of the war, does he lie about his motives for this war too?
We cannot say for sure, but it seems very likely - considering how the reasons for an attack were changed at leisure. Free the Iraqi people, threat by WMD, "tried to kill my dad", violation of UN resolutions, Al-Quaeda contacts, ... every one of those rotating arguments in itself being on very weak grounds concerning the justification of an attack.
Think of the Powell-media-show, where one of his most important pieces of evidence, supposedly handed to him by Blair´s intelligence sources, turned out to be from a student´s work, written 10 years ago. Even the spelling mistakes were the same!
And when Iraq had finally started to cooperate and destroy it´s Scud-missiles, the Bush administration decided that it was time to start the killing. You need to be blind and deaf to belief in the integrity of such actions.
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EASY..
Iraq bad
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USA kill iraq
good think 
hmmm because you talk alot iraq is bad usa good i want to ask you because you know alot tell me usa how many wars win??
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"Really? Where you disgusted when Iraqui army troops were deceieved by similar tactics and killed? I doubt that somehow¨
You know you are right....there is historical precedence for scalping, cutting off the heads of enemies and shrinking them....hey lets just justify it all...all is fair in love and war...well I think those justifications are barbaric...it appears nothing the Iraqi wretches will do will phase you....sad to see people lose their sense of humanity....quite sad to see people rationalize such barbarian methods.
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"just saying that the Russians used it at stalingrad as well if you count defending a town or city as "using human shields"¨
If you can't see the obvious distinction of defending a city and intentionally using innocents as shields...well God help you.
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"Precisely how do you know none of them tried to protest? You don't do you?"
Please reference major peace protests to Kosovo and Somalia....I will buy you a cookie if you can even begin to compare the same numbers....I will even pitch in for a delicious chocolate chip cookie.
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"You take people's opposition to this conflict as opposition to america ignoring the fact that they blame other leading countries too such as Britain because it's easier to denounce them as anti-american than deal with the issue at hand"
No decry the war all you want....I have even encouraged such (Bort, Peacemaker, etc.)...as long as it is based upon reason and logic....most of the anti-regime crowd are the same pathetic bunch as the "peace" protestors...they aren't really for peace or against regime change...just against America....it is obvious to even a child.
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"How insulting, you're just incapable of fighting some arguments without resorting to this "strong anti-american emotion" rubbish that you have no way of proving"
No there is a very distinct difference in you...I challenge you to reread your posts in a variety of threads and this one specifically. You use to be moderate in your assessment....you use to use reason...you use to pull upon recognized knowledge....as of late you have become quite irrational and made comparisons that denounce logic.
I know you have the capability for reasoned debate...I have seen it...your contribution to a variety of threads has been wonderful...even when we have disagreed in the past I have seen a reasoned thinker....thus I will continue to respect you as a poster...just lately you have left it aside.... to which I can only interpret it due to a probable anti-american bias....sad to see a good poster degenerate lately into a rubble of illogic.
I look forward to your self-awareness returning you to a reasoned debate. Disagree all you like with the American position but don't retreat into the irrationality of excusing the inexcusable, comparing apples to oranges, generalizing, relativism, etc.
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Lews quote "they didn't even protest when Saddam Hussein killed thousands of Kurdish civilians with chemical and biological weapons or when children were led into minefields in the Iraq/Iran war to make a clear road for troops."
Lews response "Please stop shooting yourself in the foot, Dargon."
Ummm please quote me not someone else if you are going to respond to me!
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"Hardly suprising, they told us it would all be over by now did they not?"
Hmmm maybe you can enlighten us all with references to ANYONE in the USA administration that told anybody it would be over by now....again I will buy you a cookie...if you can provide dates the USA administration gave!
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"Anyone could have told you that this war would have been difficult if not more drawn out than the millitary claimed"
Yeah it will be difficult¡...but 10 days into the conflict makes a laughingstock of your comment...LOL....besides Israel...what significant war in this century has been accomplished in 10 days?????
BTW all those who are countin,..the coalition now consists of 49 nations....it keeps growing despite your pessimism
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"I also find it unbelievable how some people blindly take the things they see on TV for granted"
You are right there is misinformation in the media as to be expected....particularly since this war above any other in history is a "real time" war with media coverage more focused on the "first to report" then seeking validation of the story. Unfortunately this is a bi-product of our technologically advanced media. Can you even begin to imagine how differently WWII would of looked with the media imbedded with the troops.
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"CNN broadcasts tanks which quickly proceed through the desert and reports the fall of one city after another. But three days later it appears, for example, that the city of Umm Qasr is still not taken. My conclusion is that we are being lied to intentionally and systematically."
LOL...thankfully you are not involved in the military. A simplistic explanation you have arrived upon. When a lightening invasion is the tactic...off course towns will be secured and later unsecured if there is guerilla warfare...how naive to think otherwise. The collation has moved faster into Iraq then any forces IN ALL OF HISTORY. Moreover if the USA is so blatantly controlling the media then why would they later admit that certain towns are now in combat that they at first controlled!!! You can't have it both ways...does the USA control all media or doesn't it!
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Well some facts for those who care, are compassionate, and believe in humanitarian action…here are some facts about how Saddam is conducting his forces…those who chose to dismiss, rationalize/minimize brutality and barbaric actions…please defend your choices in being against regime change….all of these horrific actions by Saddam only confirm the noble activity of replacing him….God bless the coalition!!!
Saddam has ordered his forces and encouraged the following:
1. Assassinating POWs
2. Humiliating POW’s on TV
3. Pulling down the pants of POWs
4. Iraqi army wearing American uniforms
5. Iraqi army presenting white flag and then shooting
6. Tank, soldiers, and weapons in hospital
7. Iraqi army pretending to be American soldiers and killing any Iraqi that surrenders
8. Iraqi army not wearing military uniforms but disguising as civilians
9. Forcibly recruiting kids from home upon threat of death to their family
10. Iraqi army intentionally using families/women as shields
11. Iraqi army placing weapons right next to civilian neighborhoods.
12. Iraqi army firing on civilians trying to leave the city
13. Saddam having terrorists/Al Qaeda fight with them against coalition
14. Sadddam locating military weapons by historic sites
15. Saddam using suicide bombers to kill coalition forces
Overall Saddam ise intentionally turning this war into a very dangerous place for his own people as the coalition forces cannot tell the difference due to Iraq’s deplorable tactics. Those who have even the basic ability to reason of a 12 year old will quickly surmise how despicable these tactics are
Now because of Saddam… coalition forces will reasonably be much less sympathetic to civilians….for example when one surrenders and say itches their back…the coalition forces will reasonably think that the civilian is grabbing a gun and shoot them. So sad to see that Saddam has turned the world upside down and made his own people the victims…but then again this is nothing new for him….I guess more pathetic is how posters here don’t even being to recognize this very real danger that Saddam has put innocent civilians in! But instead posters here too often mimic the rationalizations of Saddam….shame on you who defend an indefensible position!!!!
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