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Thunder
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posted September 26, 2002 08:29 PM |
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Map Editor isn't so user friendly anymore but it is a lot more powerful. That's why I call it suberb.
With humour I mean also some of the idle animations of creatures and the humorous messages when you take those artifacts from the ground or visit adventure objects.
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Commando
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Unleasher of the Bloodthirsty
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posted September 27, 2002 12:58 AM |
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Heroes 3.5 WoG is far more powerful and open-ended than H4. ERM scripting even allows the mapmaker to add customised "comments" uttered by monsters during battle! You can demolish town structures. You can change/reinvent heroes' special abilities. You can get the AI to cast expert berserk. Come to think of it, there's nothing the WoG editor can't do, save maybe work real-life miracles 
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Odvin
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posted September 28, 2002 11:12 AM |
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Heroes 3.5 WoG is far more powerful and open-ended than H4. ERM scripting even allows the mapmaker to add customised "comments" uttered by monsters during battle! You can demolish town structures. You can change/reinvent heroes' special abilities. You can get the AI to cast expert berserk. Come to think of it, there's nothing the WoG editor can't do, save maybe work real-life miracles
Commando, it's all the question of HOW MUCH you love Heroes. For real fans, of course, studying ERM complicated commands and looong documentation isn't a waste of time. But many players don't want this. They only want good scenarios, interesing campaigns and cool gameplay. They don't need all those ERM scripts. If they see them, they are shocked of course, but they want to play maps that are already created for them to play. They are just players, while those who create ERM scripts... they may be called programmers... 
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god_boy
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posted September 28, 2002 12:20 PM |
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Commando, it's all the question of HOW MUCH you love Heroes. For real fans, of course, studying ERM complicated commands and looong documentation isn't a waste of time. But many players don't want this. They only want good scenarios, interesing campaigns and cool gameplay. They don't need all those ERM scripts. If they see them, they are shocked of course, but they want to play maps that are already created for them to play. They are just players, while those who create ERM scripts... they may be called programmers...
I totally second that. honestly, as much as i love heroes III and 3.5, i really can't be bothered scripting my own maps.
Also, I don't think it would be that fair to compare h4 with h3 'cause they are two quite different games. both have their own unique features for two similar though still slightly different groups of gamers. If you're looking for a better, improved h3, as i was, then you won't find it here because h4 is a different game. This is perhaps my problem, i had expected an improved h3 but h3 was probably as good as it was going to get without drastic changes in gameplay. Therefore, I think that we should play h4 as another game and not constantly compare it to its predecessor.
still, heroes 3 -> better
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Commando
Known Hero
Unleasher of the Bloodthirsty
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posted September 28, 2002 12:30 PM |
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You both totally missed my point. I was talking about game potential (i.e. map editor possibilities), ergo the quality and quantity of tools at mapmakers' disposal. Not too hard to grasp, is it?
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sandro
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amongs The Undead
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posted September 28, 2002 01:09 PM |
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Anyway,....
HOMM3 is better for MODing...
For example :
We can simply change the songs by replacing the mp3s on the correct folder.... some tools that you can find on the internet helps so much for changing the heroes potraits, pics, etc...
in homm4 ??
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Odvin
Promising
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posted September 28, 2002 01:45 PM |
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Anyway,....
HOMM3 is better for MODing...
For example :
We can simply change the songs by replacing the mp3s on the correct folder.... some tools that you can find on the internet helps so much for changing the heroes potraits, pics, etc...
in homm4 ??
In homm4 its even easier coz you need only one utility for changing music/stats/etc.  At least I know one program that was released in a month after Heroes IV that allows to extract/replace H4 resource files. And H4 FaceKit allows to change heroes' portraits/names.
Conclusion: H3 isn't better for MODing.
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sandro
Known Hero
amongs The Undead
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posted September 30, 2002 01:22 AM |
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Is that real?
Hmm.. i didn't search H4 files on the net since i uninstall the game.... that's including the patch..
Perhaps you can IM me the url? I always love MODing, for almost every game i have... from C&Cs, BG2, H3SOD, etc..etc..
Btw, did anyone here know how to change the "Main-Screen-Background" pic ? You know, the pic with "Load Game" button, "New Game" button, etc...
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johnsone79
Hired Hero
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posted September 30, 2002 02:14 AM |
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I was just perusing through some very old threads and I noticed something that I found very humorous. I was reading a comparison of HOMM 2 to HOMM 3. It amused me that many of the complaints of changes were the exact opposite in the transition from 2 to 3 as they are from 3 to 4 now and many of the problems such as computing power required by the game was the same for HOMM 3 when it came out. The only real difference was that HOMM 3 was not as buggy when it first came out.
I have drawn a few conclusions from this. First, people always get upset when you change things, even if it turns out later to be for the better. The old if it isn't broke don't fix it attitude. Secondly, game programmers are always trying to push the technology to its limits and the gamers always get mad because they can't keep up with the hardware available (myself included), even though they want all the features that cause the technology problems. Third, 3DO released HOMM 4 with way to many bugs, but thankfully by the time I could leap over the hardware barrier they had fixed most of the problems.
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DonGio
Promising
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of Clear Water Mountain Clan
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posted September 30, 2002 08:46 AM |
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In answer to the original question: YES. I also like HOMMII better than HOMMIII. The only thing that gets better each time is the map editor.
Play well
DonGio
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Damacon_Ace
Famous Hero
Also known as Nobris Agni
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posted October 02, 2002 02:12 AM |
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Hey hey!
I have just got heroes 4 yesterday and I can tell you, I am somewhat unfamiliar with the gameplay because there were too many new things to deal with. Also, I had noticed that the battle scenes took place overhead rather than a side view, and it is not as informative as before (no scrolling information anymore). Plus, the creatures regenerate every day or few days rather than once a week. This means keeping track of creature buying is much harder than before (trying to buy all creatures before the new month - it could be plague). Also, the game is a lot, lot, harder - I was losing on my first attempt at novice.
Still, I cannot say if I like H3 better than H4 or vice versa.
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Laelth
Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
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posted October 03, 2002 02:54 AM |
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Thunder presented a good list of improvements in h4 over h3, and I agree with most of his points. I especially like the new graphics ... vastly superior, much more realistic maps. Personally, I'm into making maps and the aesthetics of the game. I want natural-looking, highly detailed maps. If I'm going to conquer a world, I want it to be someplace I'd like to live.  And, in this sense, h4 is vastly superior. It makes beautiful, fairly realistic terrain. In particular I like the foliage (tuft, baby, tuft--you think you can't see it, but the eye sees it and the terrain _feels_ natural).
Of course, there are problems with the game too, but all of them can be traced to the capitalists at the top of the company rushing the product to market before it was finished (gimme money NOW!). While the graphics in the editor are lovely, the interface stinks. I hate not being able to right-click and see what a structure does. No zoom-in, zoom-out. Buggy-until a recent patch finally stabilized it. As for the game itself, its bugginess, the lack of creatures, the lack of unique town layouts--all these things indicate, to me (and I have no first-hand knowledge of this) that the product was way behind schedule and rushed. The design team seems to have had no choice but to slap it together and sell it. Too bad. I haven't gotten the expansion set yet, but its description didn't intice me to buy it. Despite all of this, and I played h3 for years and years, I still like h4 better because the landscape is more realistic, greener, more detailed, and more natural-looking, i.e. aesthetically pleasing to someone who lives in a concrete jungle.
One more thing that I haven't noticed anyone mention. While the music for h4 doesn't impress me particularly, (everything gets boring after listening to it for eight hours straight) have you noticed h4's sound effects? The grunts and groans creatures make are excellent. The sound team did a great job.
-Laelth
P.S. If you're looking for a map of mine (to see what I find aesthetically pleasing) I have one h3 map on h3trio called "Dragons Galore" (that, BTW, nobody's downloaded)and I just sent Cattleman 3 more h3 maps (Hellfire!, Lords of the Underworld, and Agraine's Vale) which he will soon upload if he hasn't already. In addition I sent him an h4 map, "Dunwold", and I'm working on a second now. Hope you can download and enjoy these soon.
Regards to all.
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Medusa
Famous Hero
Yeah, right
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posted October 04, 2002 05:09 PM |
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Of course h4 is better! but h3 had the map generator and the town graphics were better. but anyway h4 is better.
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Cherwyn
Tavern Dweller
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posted October 06, 2002 04:00 AM |
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With the update patches and now The Gathering Storm, I now love Heroes IV.. At first I went right back to Heroes III when I realized how easy the AI was in IV.. But after the last update that included Multiplayer (Hurrah!) I must admit the AI gives challenge, and I am enjoying mp with friends! WTG 3DO.
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shaowei
Adventuring Hero
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posted October 14, 2002 05:40 PM |
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Hi,
I tried both H3: WOG and H4. WOG for me was a two hours' involvement just to see some of the new monsters. It is not balanced. I personally did not like it. The creatures were not original either. I really understand that it mainly shows what CAN BE DONE of the H3 engine. I couldn't care less about such things, so I do not think of WOG as a successor of the Shadow of Death.
H4 is a different story, since it was almost supposed to replace H3. It hasn't.
I like H3 much more in almost every way. The maps are really nicer in H4, but everything else was a bit "too new" for me. Perhaps H4 is more progressive, more advanced, but not better. Heroes in combat, wandering stacks w/o heroes, moving monsters, etc. all were good ideas poorly implemented. A hero becomes a unit... It can be killed... It is not a mighty master of the battlefield anymore, just another pawn, albeit a strong one The animations of the battle I will not talk much about here, except that they are really bad (look at those pikemen walk). Also, the numbers flying off and skulls showing gives such a cartoony look to the battle... The interface is really bad.
I do not like all those things in H4. I didn't like some things that came with H3. But at the moment it has grown very close and that (H3) is how I imagine the HOMM world. The backflip-attacking sorcerer is a bit too much for that old and estabslihed world to suffer Maybe the fact that H4 is still new makes it so alien to me. So far it has been a disappointment. I now play H3, it is a lot more fun.
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RedSoxFan3
Admirable
Legendary Hero
Fan of Red Sox
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posted October 16, 2002 06:23 PM |
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I can just say that the only reason no one is play H3 anymore is because they got bored. Once people start to get bored of Heroes 4 they will come rushing back to H3.
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god_boy
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posted October 17, 2002 02:45 AM |
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I can just say that the only reason no one is play H3 anymore is because they got bored. Once people start to get bored of Heroes 4 they will come rushing back to H3.
I've already rushed back to H3
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Gangrail
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Dead Man
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posted October 24, 2002 09:11 AM |
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I think h3 is awsome, but I like WoG ten times better.
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Damacon_Ace
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Also known as Nobris Agni
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posted October 28, 2002 03:32 AM |
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Now that I've been playing Heroes 4 for a while now, I can now draw out my opinion:
- Heroes 3 is a better game than Heroes 4.
Why?
Heroes 4 fell short in several ways, most notably in the extreme difficulty of the map editor (you cannot create special victory conditions in a click! And there is no way you can create a limited time map!) Also, the Fog Of War is detremential to all but the most masterful of strategists. The Heroes portraits don't look as trendy as the Heroes 3 ones. Thankfully, the novice level is still winnable. But the concept of heroes fighting in battle is good! And the graphics are great, too. Some of the new spells are nice, and the Stronghold lived up to its name despite the lack of magic, unlike Heroes 3.
But the numero uno is...
WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO THE TOWN PORTAL SPELL?!!!
A lot of people thought TP was overpowering in Heroes 3, especially on Expert. I say it is NOT overpowering. Town Portal isn't a event passer or border gate skipper, unlike DD and Fly (I miss these, too). Shame on you, 3DO, for kicking out the spell that helped countless players win the game. It must return in H5!
Therefore, Heroes 3 is better than Heroes 4, but not by much.
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god_boy
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posted November 02, 2002 03:01 AM |
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But the numero uno is...
WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED TO THE TOWN PORTAL SPELL?!!!
A lot of people thought TP was overpowering in Heroes 3, especially on Expert. I say it is NOT overpowering. Town Portal isn't a event passer or border gate skipper, unlike DD and Fly (I miss these, too). Shame on you, 3DO, for kicking out the spell that helped countless players win the game. It must return in H5!
Therefore, Heroes 3 is better than Heroes 4, but not by much.
I'll have to disagree with u there. TP was probably the most powerful spell on most maps because with it on expert or even advanced, the whole strategy of the game is changed.Whereas before u have the spell, u have to leave troops in ur castle to defend it, with TP, u can have one massive army and crush ur enemies easily. Then, if ur attacked, u can just TP back. Also, TP means instanteous reinforcements - a big advantage, don't u agree?
And TP is still an order spell in H4. Apparently, u can take advantage of it by filling all the slots in the towns that u don't want to go to. This way, when u cast TP in h4, u end up at the nearest town with the empty slots.
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