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Asmodean
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posted September 26, 2004 12:24 PM |
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Isn't that why the legal system was developed in the first place, to stop revenge crime by victims?
Isn't that why in all legal proceedings it's the defendant vs. the State of X, or the Crown, or whatever governmental system is in place?
My own opinion on the Death penalty is that there are certain crimes which DO deserve the Death penalty, such as paeodophilic rape or mass murder, because in those cases the victims are 100% blameless.
In most single murder cases the victim is known by their murderer and quite often there are surrounding circumstances to the murder (cheating spouse?jealousy...a few other reasons). And so to put these crimials in jail WILL generally rehabilitate them, but until we come up with a cheap easy brainwashing system, those paedophiles will always be a danger to children and mass murderers will always feel whatever they feel when they kill people.
Just my own personal views, in no way a guideline or anything.
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posted September 29, 2004 08:24 PM |
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Sadly we live in an age where there IS no cookie cutter criminal and inocent person. It is hard to determine who is to blame in many situations.. oh she cries rape but she was the one coming on to the guy?.. he murdered his best friend who killed his dads parents by turning off the life support to them.
Yes there are indeed crazy psychopaths that need to die to make the world a better place. You know the people that when they are "talking about war they are really talking about peace"
Are they criminal though? no I dont see any crime short of a planned out mass murder spree as worthy of death penalty.
Too many factors to decide who is right and who is wrong.
I'm still for the death penalty lets get rid of some overcrowding 
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted October 06, 2004 01:36 AM |
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On the question of whether or not the death penalty is a deterrent for crime, i think that this question misses the purpose.
If you you have a serial killer caught and convicted,
Then you want him sentenced to death not because this is an example to others of what happens to people who become serial killers, but rather to stop this homicidal maniac from ever killing somebody else.
The idea of capitol punishment is punishment and not deterrent. And to prevent society from being further threatened by these individuals.
Deterrent is something that can only really be acheived by touching peoples hearts.
Love is by far the greatest motivation a person can have to deter them from commiting crimes against his fellow man.
But once a serious crime has been committed deterrant is no longer the issue.
Those who have no desire to commit terrible crimes do not need a deterrent and those who do need something much more.
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TheRealDeal
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posted October 06, 2004 07:02 AM |
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This may sound sadistic.. but..
I live in Denmark, where if you do a crime, you won't be in jail for long. We don't have death penalty either, but that is good. If someone commits a crime that is horribly bad, he should spend the rest of his life alone in a cell, the only thing that happens is 3 times of day food comes in. Nothing more then that. This is truly a punishment. With the death penalty a lot of criminals won't even regret what they have done(some do, i think..) Lets say 32 year old man shoots 2 people, the guys spends all his natural years of life away from other people, now thats a lot of years of lonelyness.
With all ideas there comes a problem, we'll need some more jails. Jails are expensive. Bush wants to lower taxes, that can't be done if we need to build prisons, so basicly the taxes should stay the same and we would get these prisons - Denmark would probably just need one prison for this - which would solve most of this.
But the problem is, if he says that he won't lower taxes because we need the prisons, he'll get less votes.
So there is not much we can do.. Death penalty is a way of getting out of it, yes you die but what would you rather do, sit in a prison for 30-40 years, or get killed? Think about your never comming out, or even see another person again.. basicly.. your screwd.
This was just my 2 cents..
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Wolfman
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posted October 06, 2004 07:06 AM |
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If you store these psychos in a prison forever, how many prisons will you need?
You'll need a lot more than we have now. That's expensive. Capital punishment is saving money if you think about it. No jail breaks to worry about either.
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posted October 06, 2004 07:09 AM |
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If you get locked inside a room with NO ways of getting out, there won't be jailbreaks either
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Almostinjail...
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posted October 06, 2004 12:35 PM |
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Apply this "LOL" to your worst suspicions
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Rage08
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posted December 16, 2004 11:22 PM |
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Yes, apparently we have to pay to keep those wackos behind bars...
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Conan
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posted December 16, 2004 11:37 PM |
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Capital punishment - an error in my view.
People talk about overcrowded prisons.
1) Do you really base the argument on this? There is no place to put them so kill 'em?
2) Who is in majority in US prisons? Black people. That seems more like a problem with the state than a problem with moral issues. In Canada, we have the same issues; prisons are overcrowded with aboriginal people (but we don't have the death penalty)
I find that the death penalty is an easy way out of the deeper problem of criminality. The problems are swept under the rug by the government and the true reasons are ignored. By persuing capital punishment, we do not learn from our mistakes; we merely get rid of them on an easy note. I really beleive that crimes reflect the society in which we live. If we can learn from them, our society will get better.
The causes of criminality are multiple. But before killing our own civilians, we should look at why this crimes are being committed and see if we can solve the problem at it's base. If we do not do this and simly kill people, more people will die and more crimes will be committed. The problem will never be solved - and it wont get any better by killing the killer.
Think of it this way: Can someone in a normal state of mind kill his wife and his kid? I think not. So then let's kill the mentally affected ones? I say no. Let us help them. Let science be performed on them so the next guy that comes in like this will be dealt with and helpt before he commits something like that. That way we just prevented 3 deaths: wife, kid and even father. If psychological assesments where made in every work place and if people had more support, I beleive alot of deaths would be prevented.
If you beleive in capital punishment, then you should also be able the be the one administering the injection. One cannot be in accordance with capital punishment and refuse performing the kill.
Finally, I have to add that I firmly beleive we are not the ones to judge others in such way as to kill them. How do we think we are? All powerfull God? One of my more profound convictions is not to judge others. By saying: "yeah, let's kill that guy because XYZ..." I am judging his actions and going against my inner convictions.
I looked deep to find this post as this is a very intersting thread. If it did not exist, I would of made a new one.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts, especially Consis.
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Consis
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posted December 16, 2004 11:57 PM |
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I'm Sorry...
As you and many others know well, my posts are habitually graphic and detailed. I simply cannot bring myself to present material of this nature knowing full well that young impressionable minds are innocent and unknowing bystanders.
I fully understand the scope of my skill, talent, and capability with words. I know it all too well that my talents can be used for both good and evil. As well as I write for my fan-fic stories, so too could I offer up and incredibly detailed and life-like image of what a person goes through when exploring this sobering morbid issue. As an adult I am forced to explore it, but I can't bring myself to draw that same conclusion for an innocent youth who is still enjoying a rightfully innocent childhood.
I'm sorry.....
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Conan
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posted December 17, 2004 05:36 AM |
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fair enough...
That's fine, I didn't know you are a writer... you do not have to be graphic, you could just state what you think.
In any case, as I respect you, I also respect your choice.
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Asmodean
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posted December 17, 2004 06:44 AM |
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Let science be performed on them so the next guy that comes in like this will be dealt with and helped before he commits something like that.
What science exactly? Psychiatry? Psychology? Paleantology?
Don't you think that if we had the kind of sci-fi solution you imply that there'd already be a solution to this problem and we wouldn't need such penalties.
The UK and Ireland stopped executions in the mid 1900's (Britain was hanging, Ireland was hanging and firing squad).
Many psychotics have stated that they would kill again if they wouldn't get caught.
And a full third of mentally ill compulsive rapists, murderers and paedophiles (more for the paedolhiles) have ststed that detention in jail is not a particularly scary prospect.
Which causes them, upon release, to offend again.
I think the death penalty would also act as a deterrant to such individuals and reduce the repeat offending and initial offending.
To be honest, I have no desire for my tax money to be spent 'rehabilitating' such people. I'd rather pay for them to be put down like the rabid animals they are than for them to have 'therapy' with some psychiatrist that bills the government £80 pounds an hour.
I'd rather see the money going to subsidise university education, or better health care, or just about anything else that feeding and housing the scum of the earth imo.
Much better to pay for a needle full of phenol-barbitol or a few extra volts on my electricity bill to fry the bastards.
Hell I'll even buy a rope and plant a tree if the budget is that bad!
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posted December 17, 2004 02:21 PM |
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What science exactly? Psychiatry? Psychology? Paleantology?
Phrenology. Of course, I wouldn't have expected you to suggest that, you have the tell tale third lobal lump that shows you as a future murderer.
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Conan
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posted December 17, 2004 05:10 PM |
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What science exactly? Psychiatry? Psychology? Paleantology?
Don't you think that if we had the kind of sci-fi solution you imply that there'd already be a solution to this problem and we wouldn't need such penalties.
Well, that's my point I don't think we need those kind of penalties. But I understand that some people do think we need it. It's not that sci-fi as you might think, and would less be so if we gave science a chance.
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Many psychotics have stated that they would kill again if they wouldn't get caught.
And a full third of mentally ill compulsive rapists, murderers and paedophiles (more for the paedolhiles) have ststed that detention in jail is not a particularly scary prospect.
Which causes them, upon release, to offend again.
That's because they are mentally ill. If we could find a solution with science, this argument would be dealt with.
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I think the death penalty would also act as a deterrant to such individuals and reduce the repeat offending and initial offending.
Yes of course, because they would be scared to die. But I don't personnally beleive in that kind of threat; I don't think it's good to work on fear. Although all our society is made this way, but that is another debate.  For me fear is not proper motivation.
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To be honest, I have no desire for my tax money to be spent 'rehabilitating' such people. I'd rather pay for them to be put down like the rabid animals they are than for them to have 'therapy' with some psychiatrist that bills the government £80 pounds an hour.
I'd rather see the money going to subsidise university education, or better health care, or just about anything else that feeding and housing the scum of the earth imo.
Much better to pay for a needle full of phenol-barbitol or a few extra volts on my electricity bill to fry the bastards.
Hell I'll even buy a rope and plant a tree if the budget is that bad!
I hope I understand this as sarcasm... they are not bastards, they are mentally ill people. I cannot / will not judge these people. I would rather see tax money spent this way to prevent further deaths... and not only for the criminals, but also innocent deaths.
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posted December 17, 2004 05:39 PM |
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To be honest, I have no desire for my tax money to be spent 'rehabilitating' such people. I'd rather pay for them to be put down like the rabid animals they are than for them to have 'therapy' with some psychiatrist that bills the government £80 pounds an hour.
I'd rather see the money going to subsidise university education, or better health care, or just about anything else that feeding and housing the scum of the earth imo.
Much better to pay for a needle full of phenol-barbitol or a few extra volts on my electricity bill to fry the bastards.
Hell I'll even buy a rope and plant a tree if the budget is that bad!
I hope I understand this as sarcasm... they are not bastards, they are mentally ill people. I cannot / will not judge these people. I would rather see tax money spent this way to prevent further deaths... and not only for the criminals, but also innocent deaths.
Actually, i'm hoping it isn't sarcasm.
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Svarog
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posted December 18, 2004 04:04 AM |
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Two points:
First, it has been proven through empirical data, that death penalty doesn’t act as deterrence.
Second, mentally ill don’t get death penalties, but medical treatments.
And scums who under some legislations would get death penalty, under any legislation would never live to get out of jail and do it again.
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Conan
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posted December 18, 2004 04:11 AM |
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Second, mentally ill don’t get death penalties, but medical treatments.
I see your point, but I was saying that some might consider people that commit horrible crimes as being not normal and needing medical treatments. Like the guy in the US who killed his wife and unborn child. Some would say he's crazy or mentally ill as I put it.
In his case, he won't get medical attention, he'll get the death penalty.
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Svarog
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posted December 18, 2004 04:17 AM |
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Who gives a feace what some people might consider. Someone isnt declared mentally ill through elections, but theres a special medical team with the task to establish their condition.
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