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kerberos_gr
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posted October 06, 2002 01:50 PM |
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QUALITY SINGLE PLAYER HOMM4 MAPS
HI THERE 
.Well after a very long absence ( i play Magic the gathering online ,the last 5 months ) i ve decided to give a second chance to HOMM4 while waiting for the new MtG EXPANSION CARDS to be released,although i m sure it will not be the same gaming experience as HOMM3  .
.I remember 2 years ago ,while i was eagerly waiting for the new game to be released , i read an interview from a NWC employee (propably, he too has been fired by now ,from good old 3DO) saying that in HOMM4 the diffence between the creatures and the heroes will be smaller,and that heroes will resemble to creatures ans vice versa.
In my opinion that was the beginning of the end ,the game changed dramatically ,the gameplay became more CHAOTIC (RANDOM) and much less STRATEGIC (DEFINED).The major changes for the worst were that 1) HEROES ARE DYING (sometimes they even die during the first turn ),so the result is that you stragle to built a hero(or 2)during the entire game just to see him killed in the first turn. 2)MULTIPLE SPELL CASTING DURING ONE TURN. When each side has 2 or 3 heroes casting spells during one turn ,so in total there are 4-6 heroes casting spells simultaneously, the result is one......CHAOS,because there is no way to plan or even predict the outcome of the battle.
3) NO HEROES SPECIALITIES (OBVIOUS).
So after all this whining ,someone could asked ,why i am still interested in heroes 4 and why even looking for good single player maps?
Well, its very funny,but i have to say that despite all the flaws, HEROES 4 IS BETTER than its predecessors ,as far as the single player mode concerned(despite the poor AI).The new heroes is ideal for some casual"sunday morning" play ,its much more relaxed,more colourfull,the new graphics engine is better ,the music is very good,in other words... its fun!
There is no passion in it ,no addiction ,but still its an enjoyable game.
SO,is that enough for you?I dont know,but as far as i am concerned , considering that heroes was the best strategic game ever made,its certainly not enough for me.
The problem is that i cant do nothing about it ,so i guess ,the only thing i can do is to find some good single player maps in order to keep myself busy at sunday mornings ....and maybe remember all the good friends i met here ,the past 2 years ,when i was an active toh player.SO IF YOU KNOW A GOOD SINGLE PLAYER HOMM4 MAP,PLEASE LEAVE ME A MESSAGE HERE,I LL APPRECIATE IT .
P.S VESUVIUS you are still doing great job(DESPITE THE DIFFICULTIES),all the heroes community should be gratefull,...at least i am
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Psychobabble
Known Hero
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posted October 06, 2002 02:33 PM |
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I have a non-definative and non-authorative custom map review page over at Celestial Heavens which you may want to check out. The first two pages of reviews are SP maps, and I have just added a MP page which I will be updating heavily over the next couple of weeks.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 07, 2002 05:12 AM |
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MY statement is not made to be any offense to anyone !! BUT I gotta say that HEROES 1-2-3-4 SUCK in Single player MODE!!! I get bored to tears with it after 3 mins of play in single player mode. But add a human opponent with a ladder system tournament and HOMM series is a great game. Wish I could smack 3do up side there head and tell them to make sure they focus all there attention in Heroes 5 into multiplayer game features. And not wasting there time and effort on making another single player game then adding mutli later.
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted October 07, 2002 09:05 AM |
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hmm i cant agree, sure multi is much more exciting than singleplayer, but...i played a lot of good single-maps before i started online, like the lord of war, fall and rise and many others, and it was great fun.
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted October 07, 2002 10:57 AM |
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Hi Kerb,
Did you go to the Onslaught prerelease last weekend? or do you only play online now? (which bored me within 1 hour sorry to say, and purchasing cards online, for virtual cards annoyed me anyway)
Anyway I'm in agreeance with Andi, I played single mode for a long long time and enjoyed it for ages, then played randoms for ages too. I can even play a random against the comp now, even though its not much of a challenge.
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 07, 2002 03:10 PM |
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LOL my heroes 2 and heroes 3 game sat on the shelf until I stumbled on to SIMYAR tournament. Then the game has been an addiction every since. But before that the game held no interest at all. Ahh well to each there own. 
Jinxer
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kerberos_gr
Hired Hero
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posted October 08, 2002 01:35 AM |
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Well,first of all ,i have to say that it feels really good to see that many of the veterans are still around ,that means that the community is still alive (hi jinx ,ryche,andi ).Concerning jinxer's post ,i have to say that multiplayer is a much better choice than single player thats obvious,i never said that i prefer single over the multiplayer mode.
The problem is that there are too many technical problems concerning the multiplayer games ( very slow data transfers,bugs ,crashes),so i guess HOMM4 multiplayer isnt an option ,at least not for me ,yet.(lets hope that 3do will do something about it ).
About magic the gathering ,Rych ,yeah during the last 5 months i play MtG online ,i know its a very costly hobby ,especially when we are talking about virtual cards and when you start as a total newbie like i was( right now ,i can say ,that i ve started to kick some serious %ss@s ,in the big boys league ,but on the other hand ,Magic is an awesome game ,man ,i really love it,it ressembles vaguely to heroes,i mean its a very clever game and it demands strategic thinking, and the best thing is that this great game is supported by a great company ,WIZARDS OF THE COAST ( and not from 3do ,hehe  ,that means , constant renewal of the cards,great support ,great expansion sets (btw ONSLAUGHT really rocks ) e.t.c.In other words ,i m pretty sure that this time i wont be let down ,(like i was from 3do ,after 6 years of faithfull heroes gaming),thats why i ve invested already a serious amount of money in order to buy the necessary cards for some high level gaming.
Of course there is a disantvantage ,the whole experience is a bit impersonal,i really miss the warmth of our community,the discussions in msn zone ,the fights ,the jokes,well pretty much everything .
Anyway,i was wondering, does anybody knows if HEROES 4 had a commercial success,if there is any official data out there about the sales of the game.The reason that i m asking this is that i was thinking ,if heroes 4 wasnt a big commercial success ,there is still a chance that 3do realizes that this game has some serious issues(in fact its below average) ,and maybe just maybe bring back the HOMM3 heroes system (with extra features,skills,abilities).Thats all for now ,nice to talk to you again guys ,take care
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draco
Promising
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posted December 19, 2002 07:04 PM |
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if it wasnt a sucess were I wouldnt be happy
Problem with it not being a success is that, What makes you think they will spend time energy and money making it beter for the few people that bought it? its bad enough i didnt play it for months waiting for the multiplayer. now we get patches what 4 times a yeat? if they put the energy into that blizzard was still puting into StarCraft after what 6 years we would be set. I noticed that before heroes 4 even came out you could type in the address bar www.heroes4.com / www.heroes5.com or www.heroes6.com and they all brought you back to the heroes 3 site. now tho they seem to have dismissed the idea of a heroes6 and its link is gone. site not found. that scares me. I loved Heroes 2, heroes3 was great i learned to love it more, hereos 4 is annoying, Ill learn to love it, but i dont want 3DO to disband the heroes line. Lets hope it was a success and do something to convince people to buy it some more.
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Camelnor
Famous Hero
Also known as Blue Camel
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posted December 20, 2002 05:21 AM |
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What makes you think they will spend time energy and money making it beter for the few people that bought it?
If im not mistaken, H4 sold better than H1, H2 or H3...
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notmytohhandle
Known Hero
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posted December 20, 2002 08:05 AM |
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Once again i agree with andi ..
I played a huge amount of single games with homm3, some of the map andi mentions even i think, alltho i dont remeber the names but we discussed it b4.
Even today i enjoy a good meduim random map vs 7 ai players on 1 team. its really fun even after 4 years or is it more..ack.
I am really glad u like playing homm4 in single mode kerbs i wish i could find that enjoyable too.
As for heroes 5 if there ever will be such a game, i beg of u all not to send wishes for kewl looking 3d graphics and other new inventions. cause as kerbs says this will just end up in confusion. new look sounds great but i say lets keep the original game play alive!
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Tc_Fear
Famous Hero
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posted December 20, 2002 10:39 AM |
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MY statement is not made to be any offense to anyone !! BUT I gotta say that HEROES 1-2-3-4 SUCK in Single player MODE!!! I get bored to tears with it after 3 mins of play in single player mode. But add a human opponent with a ladder system tournament and HOMM series is a great game. Wish I could smack 3do up side there head and tell them to make sure they focus all there attention in Heroes 5 into multiplayer game features. And not wasting there time and effort on making another single player game then adding mutli later.
wise
I also dislike single maps. play it alone.its not interesting .its boring.
but I do like hotseats
whats what I did ,played hotseats, till ToH
and till H4 multi
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even play a random against the comp now, even though its not much of a challenge
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Psychobabble
Known Hero
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posted December 21, 2002 03:56 AM |
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MY statement is not made to be any offense to anyone !! BUT I gotta say that HEROES 1-2-3-4 SUCK in Single player MODE!!! I get bored to tears with it after 3 mins of play in single player mode. But add a human opponent with a ladder system tournament and HOMM series is a great game. Wish I could smack 3do up side there head and tell them to make sure they focus all there attention in Heroes 5 into multiplayer game features. And not wasting there time and effort on making another single player game then adding mutli later.
You do realise you're in a small minority here don't you? The vast majority of heroes players don't play multiplayer and it will never have widespread appeal. This is due to the fundamental turn-based nature of the game, most people don't have the patience to play a game where they are doing something less than half of the time, and where short games take 3 hours. Singleplayer will always be the focus of the heroes series because that's what most people buy the game for.
As for the commercial success of Heroes IV, it actully did pretty well, it spent about a month in the US top 10 and got as high as number three i believe. It wasn't a runaway success but it certainly wasn't a flop.
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Camelnor
Famous Hero
Also known as Blue Camel
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posted December 21, 2002 06:01 AM |
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Well.. that's 3do for you...
Does whatever to get most money.
Instead of pleasing all its hardcore fans it just pleases the rest of the people
EDIT: Also, shouldnt this go in the H4 forum, and not the TOH forum? Afterall, it has nothing to do w/toh.
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Psychobabble
Known Hero
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posted December 21, 2002 12:57 PM |
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Well.. that's 3do for you...
Does whatever to get most money.
Lol, it's not 3do for you, it's ANY company. Cmon, if the made a multiplayer focussed game (a la quake 3) no one would buy it and the series would be scrapped (as, unlike quake, it'll never attract a major online mp community). Multiplayer should get more support than it is currently (ie good netcode) but it should never be the main focus of the series.
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Psychobabble
Known Hero
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posted December 23, 2002 08:30 AM |
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Single Player
Btw if people don't believe me about single player, keep an eye on the current CH poll, "do you participate in heroes tournaments". I can't link the poll directly so just go to the front page. Currently an overwhelming majority (85%) have never done so, and over 90% do not currently.
Oh, and Nimbus, ToH doesn't consider maps which aren't at least M in size, so if you wish to have a popular multiplayer map it needs to be at least that big.
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Joel
Adventuring Hero
An Underdog (Version 2.0)
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posted December 23, 2002 09:46 AM |
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Hehe, but post the same poll on the toh mainpage and you'll get 90% that do. ;-)
I'd say CH is a biased sample.
Of course, I still think you're probably right. Not that it matters one way or another. If you like it play it! Single or multi; bah, who cares? Just have fun. That's the point to all games right? ;-)
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Psychobabble
Known Hero
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posted December 23, 2002 12:44 PM |
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But that doesn't make sense CH is a general fan site frequented by a fairly decent cross section of the (english speaking) community, while ToH is a tournament site, only visited by tournament players
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Joel
Adventuring Hero
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posted December 23, 2002 08:39 PM |
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Oh come now, better cross section? I don't buy it. How many hits does CH have in comparison with the toh site? Also look at how many people have played in toh in the past seasons and current ones, compare that with CH's forums or even compare map downloads. I'd say toh has gotten a wider selection of players from across the world.
But that's all irrelevant. I was just trying to point out that CH consists of people that only care about single player. So yeah, it stands to reason the 85% of those haven't played in tournaments. Look at the RT boards, and look at how few people post on the threads that deal with multiplayer topics. Very few people at CH seem to play multi at all.
Why should a tournament player even bother to go to the CH site? There is nothing there for us. Multiplayer map selection is starting to improve but has been lacking for a long time, imo. The strategy guides that I've seen are lacking and your artifact guide has errors. As a tournament player, I rarely visit CH and only do so if there are rumours of a new patch coming out.
Off the top of my head the only people I know that visit CH regularly are; Thunder (Who doesn't play in tournaments as far as I know), Camelnor (Seems to), Insatiable (He sends him maps in), and Japjer (Does he even play h4 anymore?).
Regardless of all this, CH is a good site and only helps the Heroes community. (Especially the multiplayer faq) I still think that only people interested in single player visit it often though, thus my earlier comments.;-)
Man, is this ever a pointless discussion. ;-) My site is better than yours, nyah, nyah. ;-) Which is stupid even for me.
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kerberos_gr
Hired Hero
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posted January 04, 2003 02:42 AM |
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NAME SOME OF YOUR FAVORITE HOMM4 SINGLE PLAYER MAPS
Well,3 months after my original post ,i have quited entirely Magic the gathering online ,and i m into heroes3 gaming again....(more than ever lol).I guess its here that i start singing the song " cause nothing compares to you...la la la".
Anyway,although i play heroes 3 online ,i still like heroes4 in single player mode.
So please guys,start naming your favorites heroes4 single player maps,i will appreciate it .
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Psychobabble
Known Hero
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posted January 04, 2003 11:18 PM |
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I have continued to update my map review page and it now has something like 30 reviews up. I also did a "best of 2002" map contest, the results of which are linked from the top of each of the review pages.
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