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Motorschaaf
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posted May 29, 2003 12:33 AM |
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TOH Homm 3 Revival - Suggestions and Thoughts
Lately TOH HOMM 3 activity has decreased a lot. there are a couple of main reasons for this and i will list the most important ones of em now
Problems:
1) Lack of new players : not much was done lately to motivate new players to join and play in toh.
2) Lack of coordination : many tourneys were just launched and not many was done to keep em alive. they all fell asleep
3) Lack of new ideas to keep players motivated
a couple of things have to be changed to increase the activity again and here are some of the sugestuions. some very specific some are just general and more details following. but befoire i start once again: all of us coordinators are to blame for this and we have now to move our butts and change this. blamining each other wont help us any further and wont raise any activity. same goes for snowing 
Possible Solutions
1) new players are there !! - they enter zone every week, every day and every hour. We just need to catch em. a huge tourney only for new players will be started. this tourney will be supported by "TOH (newbie) guides" who take care of the new player(s) and help em with all the usual problems coming up in this tourney/with homm/with zone (why doesnt zone detect ma game , how to patch and so on) also with a little coaching if the guide wants to. how exactly this tourney will look like will be announced VERY soon.
2) its VERY important that the coordinators of the tourneys judge the time they have to update the tourneys REALISTICALLY . Means updates at least every 12-16 hours of manually updated tourneys are a MUST . if one volunteer is not able to do so then 2 or even more have to do assist each other. the main reason number 1 why tourneys die is the lack of updates and this must not happen again. coordination means teamwork and no ego trips. (e.g. no" i can take care of it alone " - thoughts. )
Also another part of coordination is news updates. its crucial for mainpage news to get updated as much as possible. my vote here goes to daily news . the more news gets updated - the more people know the site is alive (well i would also vote for a "NO PINK NEWS HEADERS" - rule lol.. you dont wanna read news that make you blind do you ?). and if the news sometimes are not very important - imo daily nws would be a big step forward for TOH
3) of course we have to abandon all old rusty tourney ideas immediatly ( like the addicts which is about to start !! for examlpe) and bring some fresh ideas that motivate players to play again and not the same crap as usual .: things that im currently thinkin about are the following: 2 examples (beside the newbie tourney one) so far lemme hear what you think of it
Questmasters - a tourney which i am currently runnin in german league. would have a limit of maybe 8-16 player to enter and only players who are known to be old enuff to arrange a time with opponent  . both players get a quest to solve but you never know what the quest of your opponent is. some quests are crazy - some are hard - and some require special tactical decisions. expect all but the usual homm game and you'll be fine . even more intresting will be the fact that you can pick the difficulty of your quest on your own (of course your opponnt doesn't know about it) . higher difficulty = more Quest points when you win . like old yoda said " choose wisely young jedi" because the more tactical you bet - the higher your chances are to win this tourney.
Ultimate Warlord - a Brand new warlord title. everyone can hold it footmen+ . will be -suprise suprise - the ultimate warlord title to hold. only the most skilled players will be able to defend it. grabbing it will probably be easy BUT every player who can hold it for more than a few games has proven to be among the best players ever existed . The defender of the belt has to defend the title at least every X days (X will be replaced soon ) .. the defender has to play ANY !!!! map/template the challenger wants (of course only maps from TOH page or templates that are proven to be playable - also the challenger has to tell the defender about the map he wants to play at least X days before the ) . also the challenger picks difficulty. the warlord can only pick color. so the warlord has to be able to master all kind of challenges. another thing which will make this intresting is that the warlord may not pick his opponnets. everyone knows you can have a series of 30 - 0 easily by picking the right opponents. the challengers will be chosen by a special system which im currently working on to prevent cherry picking. another important thing is that the defender can be challenged on a template/map only once. so if the warlords defends his title on DW the next challenger can't challenge him again on Desert war. this way we can be sure to test if the Warlord deservers his title even more.
more suggestions/additions coming soon.
also i strongly suggst to push the seasons nd date a bit back to give a bit more spoace for the upcoming enw tourneys
let the discussion begin - but let it be fast we dun have tim to waste do we ? any critisism, suggstions and solutions are welcome.
Fighterschaaf
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
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who will never walk alone
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posted May 29, 2003 01:33 AM |
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1) I would be willing to take active part in this
2) I agree with all. And I wanna add a few comments of mine.
IMO, subtournies should be carefully planned and designed by the experts of the game. I mean rules must not change everyday. I still remember the disappointment and the chaos at the start of the natives tourney.
3) I unfortunately have no interesting ideas about new subtournies. But those two you have explained sounds very cool 
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I also think that it might be interesting to revive some of the old ToH traditions such as honor medals, madman addict (or something like that) and MVP.
Also, Kitten argues that prestige point awards for subtournies are enough (relatively). I agree that prestige pts as a reward looks intriguing at first. But what good are those prestige points without a hall of fame? IMO HoF should be updated regulary as well, so that prestige pts will have a meaning.
It seems that there are a lot of work to do. I am one of the biggest web-design-nOObs around. Tho, I am able to prepare a page with my name on it by using front-page . If you think my lowest-level skills would be of any help, they are at your service.
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Gangrail
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Dead Man
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posted May 29, 2003 02:42 AM |
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You don't think that limiting the field for a tournament will hurt it? I guess if it is only a few limited ones that won't be bad and if it is popular can be run again But I do like the ideas.
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KittenAngel
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Lee's wifey
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posted May 29, 2003 03:49 AM |
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"NO PINK NEWS HEADERS"
That will never happen Motor LOL we are girls we like pink!! and purple too
The other things sound good I will drop ya an email here later to add a few more things
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am one of the biggest web-design-nOObs around. Tho, I am able to prepare a page with my name on it by using front-page . If you think my lowest-level skills would be of any help, they are at your service.
Mad thanks for the offer on the page making and things but actually designing pages is the one thing I do no one really complains about hehe and thats what I really like to do. Now if it comes to where one of the tournaments are HUGE like old toh tournaments was then Motor Raven Chubby and I will remember this and send ya an email
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splexx
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posted May 29, 2003 05:16 AM |
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All I can say is..........
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Marelt_Ekiran
Promising
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Watcher of All
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posted May 29, 2003 05:22 AM |
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All I can say is:
Why would anyone want to resurrect HOMM3.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted May 29, 2003 05:23 AM |
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It is very important to let the noobs on the zone know whats going on & also some of the active semi vet players that dont visit at all or occasionally.
I can also brag about tournies & no ones also but advertisement is what makes any business go bigger.
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splexx
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posted May 29, 2003 05:34 AM |
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All I can say is:
Why would anyone want to resurrect HOMM3.
Why would anyone want to play Chess..??
Ya your right, just coz it's old it's sh!t..
FOO...
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maximus
Famous Hero
Bronzed God
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posted May 29, 2003 06:25 AM |
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think it would b an idea to create new sub-tourneys, not just res old type subs.
new ideas maybe the way forward, so is fresh for all involved.
also, not just to jump in with the first thing thats suggested. take a little more time to get something that both players want, and will work.
any subs that limit what ppl can take part is not a good idea also. i mean, if u want to increase activity again, u need something to involve many lvls of player ability, not just for the few who have a chance of winning the thing.
ps. not sure Ultiamte Warlord is good suggestion. As soon as a Lord or above gets his hands on it, in reality, only another Lord or above is gonna take it off him!!
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maximus
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Bronzed God
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posted May 29, 2003 06:31 AM |
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and lol ...............
on the rewards thing, i mean like the prestige points etc.
mad has a good point.
but maybe it would be more of an attraction to player to take part and be active in these tourneys if they would get bouns toh points instead ?
would help me
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Sir_Stiven
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banned
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posted May 29, 2003 07:39 AM |
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great post again motors.
What would it take to make motors the top person in TOH/MAH?
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Kuma
Promising
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u can type so much text in her
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posted May 29, 2003 07:48 AM |
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What would it take to make motors the top person in TOH/MAH?
The person is not important; that's what started some of this #$%^^ in the 1st place.
Motor is right. Especially about the new players. Be active on zone guys.
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People used to call me crazy, but now that I'm rich I am excentric.
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GrunanCross
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King of the Underdark
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posted May 29, 2003 07:49 AM |
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All I can say is:
Why would anyone want to resurrect HOMM3.
I have never played on ToH yet, so to not resurrect it would mean that some people will not get to enjoy it.
Also, what Mp game are you going to play while you wait for Homm5...and then even if theres a 5. I don't think that the other online game are as fun to play, but thats just me.
A famous person once said, " A day without Heroes, is a day without sunshine". or some thing like that, als if the new Homm is going to be like 3 I think that It will be good to stay,..uhh on top of you'er game so to speak. To tell the truth a lot of people just like the game and people whom rum ToH so they will alway need someone to hole turnys..lol
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jb239
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posted May 29, 2003 07:55 AM |
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Didnt u say this like 6 months ago or something?
Not that Im actually making a point but...its not that easy to make H3 even close to how it was in its peak. Altho best way is just having a nice competition base, and unite the players
For example..I played my first h3 game in a year, and may play some more, altho I went to zone and had 4 different zms to play a game and 4 different tourneys wanted to be played for lol. So it didnt feel as competitive as it once was. TOH doesnt hold the weight for h3 like it once did...hence people will come and play if they want and play with the tourney they prefer, so its even harder to make 1 super tourney in 1 tourney to bring all back to it.
Not quite sure the point im making tho...ima lil drunk but good luck gettin stuff going...cause itll make findin an H3 game easier for when i wanna play 
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Sir_Stiven
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banned
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posted May 29, 2003 08:18 AM |
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The person is not important; that's what started some of this #$%^^ in the 1st place.
on the contrary my dear watson, i believe that the 1st person really is important.
Because when people are disagreeing the top person is the one that has the final saying.
And IMO motors has alot of experience from handling leagues from the german league.
And IMO he is also the one that seems most dedicated and ambitious with MAH/TOH.
And from what i know his fellow members in HC has nothing bad to say about him at all.
And from his HC days ive learned that his not afraid to make tough calls and stick by em. And thats something thats missing IMO because of rules at tournaments keep changing and such.
Im not saying that a top person shouldnt be listening to the players...off course he/she should. But sometimes you need to stick by things, just look at Ves.
IMO his a terrific leader for a tournament like this.
And no, im not saying that the people in control now sucks and i wouldnt mind still seeing kitten/ravyn as a part of leading group but IMO it should be motors that leads em.
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maximus
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Bronzed God
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posted May 29, 2003 08:20 AM |
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great post again motors.
What would it take to make motors the top person in TOH/MAH?
Sir S.....what would it take 2 make u new HC chairman
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Cybernetic
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posted May 29, 2003 08:40 AM |
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All I can say is:
Why would anyone want to resurrect HOMM3.
Why would anyone want to play Chess..??
Ya your right, just coz it's old it's sh!t..
FOO...
wha...wha...What!! Just because its old doesn't mean it ain't any good, I play Chess (once in a while), I play Doom, I play C&C, Jagged Alliance 2, etc.
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haile73
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posted May 29, 2003 08:45 AM |
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good news Motorschaaf... thumbs up!
a little note about prestige: if you want to base a Hall of Fame on prestige points, make sure you be careful when giving it out. It cannot be that a simple betting or trivia game yields more prestige than becoming ToH Emperor, lol.
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AndiAngelsla...
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posted May 29, 2003 10:13 AM |
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all i can say is: everytime schaaf wants to create something he will put everything into it until its perfect - thats the way it always was in the german league, now in Everquest too.
Give him the power he needs and you will get the best Tourney you can make with H3 - thats all i have to say
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TheEverLiving
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posted May 29, 2003 10:39 AM |
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All Good !!!
Hiya Motor/People, I have to agree the new Ideas do sound GREAT!!!
Congratulations go to the people who have come up with the ideas, I almost signed up for toh again, seems as though it could become fun again!
I'll wait and see how things go, as for advertising, damn ITS NEEDED !!! its relitivly easy too, each person (toh/ww/hl/b@stards) should maybe give a little help to the newcomers, after all its not that hard to post a link, even to this thread, that would give them a good idea of what its all about.
I myself havn't been helping as many people as I used to, kinda bored because theres not enough people on zone and when you do get "the good guys/girls" online its almost bedtime for me but I will try to help the newcomers out, I'd hate for the tourney I started playing so many years ago to go down hill, I will try as best I can, when I'm available.
I just hope it don't get alot of "Point Huggers" with NEW Accounts just to cherry pick and acheive a certain status!!!
@Motor, did you say you were working on a system system to block out cherry pickers ? this I like
My appreciation for Motorshaaf, Kitten, Chubby and anyone else still involved in the hopeful REVIVAL, Thanks Alot, I May Be Back, if you'll have me.
An Idea/Suggestion:
Because there are so many tournaments goin at the moment (this prolly been said before) Why don't all tournaments have wars with each other, I mean, Example: WW Players vrs Toh Players and such I dunno how the points system would work, maybe a small tourney with the best of Example: TOH top 20 players vrs WW top 20 players, little football style ladder type thing for extra points on TOH records also WW, ALSO hl/b@stards and also try bring the tourney's a little closer to each other instead of all the bickering/fighting we've had in the past. Just a little idea I thought of during writing this post, would be great if there was peace in the zone for a change, might be worth a try.
Another thing that always pops up: (I notice) is that players "Noobs" leave the game saying: "why are you taking so long" and such, if they knew the potential of heroes they would understand why it takes so much time per turn, so maybe a little guidline to the noobs a "lil help page" explaining the turn times, whats goin on and such? I noticed that when you explain it to them they are more eager to learn and stay in game asking questions whilst i'm in battle and such, I try to tell them as much as possible.
Great Job Guys !!!
Oo_TEL_oO
Roy Castle: Dedication
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