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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 03, 2001 08:37 AM |
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HoMM4 TOH- Ranks & General Rules
This will remain on the TOH board for discussion through September. What is discussed here may reflect on the rules applied to the Rankings System and general rules of Homm4 TOH.
The Automation is the first step in building the homm4 TOH, and so the parameters set for the rankings points and promotion system are pretty firm, but can be modified/discussed. Issues on rules of conduct, player info searches, honor council organization, rankings point system, and other TOH-Page related topics, should be posted here.
Many emails have been sent to me to discuss this, and it would be better to discuss them here.
Relevant links:
http://www.toheroes.com/heroes4/rules.html
http://www.toheroes.com/heroes4/rankmain.html
http://www.toheroes.com/heroes3/ranklink.html
http://www.toheroes.com/heroes3/Info/info.html
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anfi
Known Hero
Computer Puppet
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posted July 03, 2001 12:24 PM |
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i think you should be able to see the stats and all that..win and loss etc...even when you have more then one person on the page..insted of just one like it is now.
there some loop holes with that
for instance.. lord_draco and lord_dracos you can never check lord dracos record because it will always bring up dracos as well
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 04, 2001 04:56 AM |
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New implementation of Player search
What Im looking at to improve on player search is that the name you type is specific to the player, so typing 'zud' will not also post 'zudlingus' record as well.
In the player search when you see 'zud' record for example, you will also see the winloss, points, rank, and very possibly a list of all games played vs whom, and what maps they played. It will be a much more advanced database.
(Good to find out if that player only plays and wins on only one map!)
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ugene_de_mue...
Adventuring Hero
Romanii ca brazii
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posted July 04, 2001 03:31 PM |
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Yes, it would be great to check in a player's profile what maps he played and against whom...and perhaps you could list there his awards and medals too.
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Kuma
Promising
Supreme Hero
u can type so much text in her
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posted July 04, 2001 05:01 PM |
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agreed on the possability to check what maps the person played and gainst whom, would be a great feature.
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People used to call me crazy, but now that I'm rich I am excentric.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 04, 2001 08:44 PM |
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too much info
To put all the medals and graphics of a player on the player search as well sounds like a good idea, but then wouldnt it distract from the cool looking & massive rankings pages which have these medals anyway?
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deth8
Promising
Known Hero
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posted July 04, 2001 08:55 PM |
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Player info and look-up
Past season ranks and number of games as well as a total should come up under a player search. What fun entering all that data from the past. However, I would volunteer to help ..... hopefully not alone 
We still have all the past season rankings pages to get the data from although there are a few images that are not showing on them unfortunately.
I don't think that a page with all of a players arts and info would detract from the rankings page. Rather I think it would enhance TOH. It would be something cool for a more individualized approach giving more ownership to a persons "online persona" then just being listed on the rankings page. Shoot, some people might even like to past it on their wall or frame it :Þ
Bottom line: I think different people would enjoy the variable ways of looking at people and the player records of TOH members.
"Variety is the spice of life"
-dEth8
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Troelsen
Hired Hero
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posted July 04, 2001 11:55 PM |
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More ranks
hiya jsut a little thought from me. I think taht most of the players here like toh cause u can always improve your ranks and win prestige. I know thers a lot taht dont agree on that but i bet that the main reason u all started to play in toh was because of the rankings system.
I think as it is now this fighting for ranks stops when all becomes colonels. Why not make an unlimited rankings system so there always would be a chance for one to improve and for those who seeks to become the highest rank in toh history there would be something too.
All this can sound like im only playiong this cause i want high rank but tahts not true. But im a competitve person and i love tournaments, rankings etc. and as mentioned before i dont think id ever playing heroes online if there hasnt been a ladder system. I cant think of anything better then playing a good game of heroes when theres something to
play for and a reason to want a win. But as it is now there isnt this motivations factor anymore when u reach colonel only division games are left (and man ill do anything to win those and not let my pals down)Since i reached colonel lvl this season my passion for the game has fainted a bit and sometimes when ive played a game i do crazy stuff and plays like snow lol but not when it comes to tournies and stuff.
Hey! at this point u all know im not the one who plays poker with plastic coins!! I love gaming when theres some goals to attain but IT MUST ALL BE DONE IN A HONEST WAY.
Of course i can play a game for fun and does it now and then but theres nottin i like better then a game when u are focusing and concentrating all u can and to me thats REAL FUN if i loose i get pissed of course who doesnt but what the heck when its over anyways u can always say to yourself "its just a game and i had a lot of FUN".
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zedrin
Known Hero
Ping pong goes the gong
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posted July 05, 2001 01:54 AM |
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About Honor Council....
Too secret for my taste... let people see the results of your work, not only in a brief entry in the hall of shame... I know, decisions cannot be contested if they are not known, but doesn't that make the HC biased? I mean, it's just three people(4 if considering Vesuvius) deciding matters that should be known to many in order to be able to make a decent and somewhat objective appraisal of different situations and disputes.
Post a list of motives/relevant mails concerning most disputes, a list of all decisions, so that people may know what to expect when presenting themselves with a case before the HC... Perhaps get a public relations liaison?
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zedrin
Known Hero
Ping pong goes the gong
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posted July 05, 2001 01:59 AM |
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About rules of conduct...
Make them strict and clear... perhaps a list of available punishments inflictable if the rules are broken? It would clear things up a bit.
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"Blow wind! Come wrack
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 05, 2001 05:20 AM |
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RPG element of Homm4 TOH
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I think as it is now this fighting for ranks stops when all becomes colonels. Why not make an unlimited rankings system so there always would be a chance for one to improve and for those who seeks to become the highest rank in toh history there would be something too.
Ah, but Troelsen thats where the beauty of homm4 RPG TOH comes in... once youve reached the rank of legionnaire, lord or even overlord, points arent the only thing anymore, but POWER and COMMAND. You start developing a 'character' that is with you in TOH with abilities beyond gameplay. Some may be confused with the player profiles thing, but it will make sense in time, and the possibilities for these high ranked players to apply these 'characters' beyond just controlling divisions is limitless.
So essentially there is no end once youve reached the highest rank, but a chance at growth and power.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 05, 2001 05:23 AM |
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Conduct
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About rules of conduct...
Make them strict and clear... perhaps a list of available punishments inflictable if the rules are broken? It would clear things up a bit.
Upon registration for homm4 TOH, there will be a paragraph of significant length to say 'I agree' to before registering (kind of like when you buy software these days and there is that long text that asks you to agree).
This text will state several rules of conduct, from the basics like no cheating etc, but down to things like no fake or extra accounts and so on. It will also say that at any moment any of these rules are broken, they can be removed from TOH at any time etc...
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted July 05, 2001 10:30 AM |
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About rules of conduct
I have an offer about how we can prevent, actually make it hard to create, extra fake accounts and some of the fake reports by these extra fake accounts.
Firstly, when registering for TOH, the new plebe must register the handle of the TOH player he heard about TOH
(reference). And a new plebe must be accepted after playing an exact number of games (2,3 or 4 etc). But these games must be playedwith other player than the "reference player"
Let me explain you this way: For example, a new guy registers for TOH, and I, madmartigan, is his reference - as recorded in the registration form. His registration must be accepted only after he has - lets say - 3 games. And none of these games must be between "madmartigan" and the new plebe.
So what?
So, it will be hard and boring for "madmartigan" to register endless handles, and reporting losses against "madmaritgan" in order to give fake points and rank himself up.
I know it looks a bit complex. But I thought it would be a good way to prevent those "smart" guys who has records with lots of wins and no loses. I mean no offence to good and honorable players who has such records; but we all know that there are smart kids who try these.
Anyway, I will be pleased to discuss this with you all who has something to say about this.
And, again, I mean no offence to anyone other than cheaters and fakers.
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About rules of conduct...
Make them strict and clear... perhaps a list of available punishments inflictable if the rules are broken? It would clear things up a bit.
Upon registration for homm4 TOH, there will be a paragraph of significant length to say 'I agree' to before registering (kind of like when you buy software these days and there is that long text that asks you to agree).
This text will state several rules of conduct, from the basics like no cheating etc, but down to things like no fake or extra accounts and so on. It will also say that at any moment any of these rules are broken, they can be removed from TOH at any time etc...
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ugene_de_mue...
Adventuring Hero
Romanii ca brazii
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posted July 06, 2001 04:58 PM |
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Here are some ideeas:
1. Profile page should contain the rank of the player, his awards and medals, his wins and losses( with the maps played and the enemy players ).
2. The number of games a player can play on a map should be limited. To 5 for example. So, once I played "A
little one on one" 5 times, I cannot play it again in that season. I don't know if that rule should apply to random maps too...
3. The Honour Council must act more openly. As it is now it looks like a distant threat . Or worse, lots of the new players seem to think that the HC is something like a 'family bussines', open only for the Veterans, and their complaints would be ignored...
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dEth8
Promising
Known Hero
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posted July 06, 2001 07:11 PM |
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HC issues and public forums
There will be an explanation and expectation that all will understand the role of the Honor Council on the registration pages for H4.
To make rulings on an open forum would produce fiascos like the O.J. Simpson trial in which all sorts of personal and public problems might be given rise to as well as be a much more complicated system.
I am sure not willing to do the extra work of posting and updating every issue that comes through the HC. It would be nice for people to see it all, but the work of that and storage space is an issue. If the system were easy to see the results of issues that would be nice I think though.
As for the people who send in to the HC because it seems like a "family" deal, it is generally new players much more then veterans 90% of the time it seems. Also many are ignorant of their responsiblities of contacting other players before sending in to the HC.
Hope this helps some.
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zedrin
Known Hero
Ping pong goes the gong
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posted July 06, 2001 10:01 PM |
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HC
I don't think it would prove such a large amount of work... not all decisions should be posted, just those that are relevant: this season's "clan games are for toh points also" theme, player rules are not enfroced by toh theme....
It will cut down on the number of such issues, since people will know what to expect, and not come with hope in their eyes, pardon, emails, to the HC.
HC is also prone to giving second chances, but unless people know whom they are playing with they can easily fall pray to dirty tricks without expecting them(making daily saves).
And the posted decisions would normally resume to: "Player A fined 50 points for looking at saves against player B", unless the issue questions basic rules of Toh, or is based on nonexistant rules, thus the decision creating a precedent.
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"Blow wind! Come wrack
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted July 06, 2001 11:29 PM |
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simple solution to HC discussion here
When the hall of shame for homm4 TOH is created (a shame to have to have one, but anyway). With the listing of the HOS players there, there will be a 'details' button, which will link to extra info, and perhaps text file copies of email correspondances in regards to the HOS player. This does make it a more public forum issue though, and no where in any online league such a thing exists. TOH players a little too demanding of what is a FREE site?
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zedrin
Known Hero
Ping pong goes the gong
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posted July 07, 2001 06:34 AM |
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Hehe... All know that only a small portion of HC cases find their way into the Hall of Shame... The rest are different penalties, perceived by the one that gets them in his/her own subjective manner... When relating such events to other heroes players, they tend to use their version of the facts, making it seem very biased...
If it is truly biased or not that is not the issue here, but such cases tend to generate... unrest in the toh community, as people tend to lose faith in HC. When an important case, and i mean established players in toh, for those hold the most sway over the masses, is judged, i propose a list of motives, perhaps RELEVANT emails, to be listed, then deleted after a period of time, thus freeing space. I said relevant emails since tempers easily flare in such disputes, and thus it could become really detrimental to the parties involved...
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"Blow wind! Come wrack
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zedrin
Known Hero
Ping pong goes the gong
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posted July 07, 2001 06:39 AM |
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Demanding players?
Btw, would you prefer it that players did not demand any modifications/improvements?
They demand because they care, because they want to better the tournament...
Now when people stop demanding/sugesting/criticizing, then it probably means that they have lost interest in it. It is always a good sign when people have something to say
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"Blow wind! Come wrack
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deth8
Promising
Known Hero
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posted July 07, 2001 05:24 PM |
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post or not post
I would have a hard time making the decision to show or not show all that is said. If posting the emails then I am for posting it all and letting anyone who cares be able to see whatever is typed.
You have some great posts. I am liking the idea more and more.
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Hehe... All know that only a small portion of HC cases find their way into the Hall of Shame... The rest are different penalties, perceived by the one that gets them in his/her own subjective manner... When relating such events to other heroes players, they tend to use their version of the facts, making it seem very biased...
If it is truly biased or not that is not the issue here, but such cases tend to generate... unrest in the toh community, as people tend to lose faith in HC. When an important case, and i mean established players in toh, for those hold the most sway over the masses, is judged, i propose a list of motives, perhaps RELEVANT emails, to be listed, then deleted after a period of time, thus freeing space. I said relevant emails since tempers easily flare in such disputes, and thus it could become really detrimental to the parties involved...
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