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posted August 25, 2003 05:12 PM |
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It's all weak and im rotflmao but I have more important things to do. PH why not stay on topic? I look forward for the attack celfious thread I really do. I'll play quote wars all day
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posted August 25, 2003 06:19 PM |
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I was on topic, you made this about people and not the subject at hand, you're still making it so. Run if you will, your too cowardly to either state who you mean with your insults most of the time, or back up your poor comments with reasoned arguments.
You're right, you are wasting people's time, including your own 
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posted August 25, 2003 08:25 PM |
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Aqua is still lost. I thought this was about like national pride or something. Where's Redsoxfan? He should be able to get his thread back on topic.
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posted August 25, 2003 10:45 PM |
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***ATTENTION***ON*TOPIC*POST***
A good quote- "Do not mistake my act of kindness for a sign of weakness" It seems many people on this site, and people on the news have done about the U.S.
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posted August 26, 2003 06:06 AM |
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your anger is because your you. (reader)
If you were them who would you be agry at? (reader)
Who am I angry at??
Everyone and no one. For the impetual balance has over siezed my intellect and I almost know, that you hate everything, and you hate nothing. The arc of each balance within yourselves is irrelevant. Your nothing to the difference except your mixture within the reality of it all.
(pls get a dictionary and battle me thanks )
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posted August 26, 2003 11:31 AM |
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Hey, people...
My opinion is that current US government is hypocritical, but people are not same as government. Every politican is hypocritical, more or less, but it isn't attack on whole population, just on group of people.
Nevertheless I appreciate help that USA gave my contry in times of war, but it isn't the reason that I must agree with the US way. Countries express their thankfullnes in diplomatic ways, but (without insult) if I helped you when you needed me, it doesn't give me the right to do bad things...
No hard feelings!!!! 
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posted August 29, 2003 12:48 PM |
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National pride is important. If the children grow up hating their country, what will happen when they run it? The whole nation will be full of hippies!
This is (almost) what nazism is all about. Beutiful! (Hope I won't be abnned or anything for this; I just noticed the similarity and thought it would be nice to point it out...)
To get down to buisness: Nationalism is never a positive thing, because it is excluding, and often it makes people think that they are superior to others (even though they never meant to imply such a thing, this is usually the sad result...).
Try to remember that instead of focusing on what country you are from, to focus on the fact that we all share the same world! Forget all about culture, history, religion, and all the other nonsense! Who cares what some old Geezer said 50/500/5000 years ago thatinsulted your nation. National interests mean NOTHING compared to global isuuses like pollution and war. Who cares if your country's industry is down? That's no reason to kill off nature/the ozone layer or start a war!
The single most important thing that has ever come out of a socialist's mouth or brain, was to define a 'nation' as no more than a 'limited administrative area.' That's what a nation should be!
(Hope I made it to Bort's 5th class... Sorry for the lack of structure in my post. It always gets messed up as I start writing....)
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posted August 29, 2003 08:46 PM |
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National Pride is important. That's what drives a nation to become better.
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posted September 01, 2003 11:56 AM |
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Nope, it what's motivates it to think it'' better than all the rest. National pride sounds too much like "White Pride", "Balck Pride" or any such dingosnow.
Sorry, but I jsut hate nationalism. Much better with internationalism...
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posted September 01, 2003 03:47 PM |
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not really...
being proud of being [insert nationality] doesn't mean you think other nations are inferior...
and would you please define "internationalism"?
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posted September 01, 2003 04:46 PM |
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National pride driving a nation to become better? I don't really know about that. A nation at its base is still made up of individuals. No nation, whatever the propagana about it may be is a hive mind, all moving and working and sacrificing for the betterment of the hive.
I don't really know what you meant by a nation becoming "better." If you mean economically, I can guarantee you that national pride is the last thing on the mind of a business leader when he founds a company. Scientifically? Well, try writing "this will make our nation better" in a grant application and then look for another job. I guess all of the space programs are essentially National Masturbation, but I don't know if they really make the nations who have them better. I suppose National Pride makes for a stronger military, but that would be a pretty narrow definition of "better."
Do I have national pride? I suppose I do. For all its faults, I like the US. I guess it's sort of like the way you love your parents and in an abstract way, I suppose the nation is your parent. You know, you hate the way the bathroom smells after your dad uses it and your mom sure can nag a hole in the wall, but they're still your parents and you kind of love them because of, not despite their flaws.
Take the recent power outage, for instance. If there ever was anything that could be labelled a "typical American mistake," it was the power outage. Basically, the power lines and transmission system are old and outdated. People have known about this for a long time, but the basic response has been "eh, deal with it later." So the power goes out. That really should have made me ashamed of my country, but the reactions of the affected people kind of gave me a little twinge of pride. I live in New York City, so I had a first hand view of what happened. The first thing that happened was that everybody looked a little bit anxious since the first thought that went through everybody and I mean everybody's mind was "snow, it's terrorism, where did the bomb go off?" Bear in mind that, since there was no power, nobody could turn on the TV, check the internet or turn on the radio (except for the people who could find a battery powered radio) so nobody knew what the hell was going on. Also, when the power relay stations and plants shut down, one of the side effects is that smoke is released, so many of us (myself included) could see this huge cloud of smoke over downtown.
The thing is, nobody panicked. I wasn't on the subway, but apparently, there wasn't any stampedes even down there in the pitch black where you REALLY don't know what's going on. Everybody waited around a while and then when they figured out that the power wasn't going to be back any time soon, they sort of let out a collective shrug and started home, driving if they had brought their cars to work, but most people just walking. The traffic lights were out, but at just about every intersection, somebody had taken it upon themselves to direct traffic. And the funny thing is, a lot of them were pretty good at it. So traffic actually moved. Not well, but then, it never moves well in New York.
There was no rioting. I think there were some very isolated incidents of looting, but the crime rate didn't jump or anything.
The best part, though, was there was this collective decision of "we have to save the beer before it gets warm." The entire city of New York (at least Manhattan, the only burrough that I have first hand information on) turned into one giant block party. Everybody's apartment was so damn hot they couldn't stay there, so entire apartment buildings were in front of the building drinking and grilling. The bars all lit candles and kept serving (apparently, bar receipts tripled overnight). It was sort of eerie to see the city completely dark, but it certainly was comforting to know that, dark or not, people were still drunk. It actually ended up being kind of fun, plus nobody went to work the next day as we all recovered from our collective hangover.
I'm sorry, but I dare you not to have just a little twinge of pride knowing that your countrymen turned adversity (even adversity that was their own fault) into a party.
So I guess that's what national pride is to me. Whatever else it is, your country is where you come from. Just like whatever else they may be, my parents are still my parents. I'm not blind, I know that my country has faults. Quite a few, actually. That doesn't mean I don't love it.
By the same token, the comments quoted in the opening post of this thread should not have been made and were innappropriate just as jokes about 9/11 are innappropriate. Had the comments been made by the French, they would have been less innappropriate just as jokes about 9/11 made by Americans are less offensive. It's kind of wierd, but it's the same with your parents. I'll say things about my mom or dad, but if ANYBODY else says them you damn well bet I'll put my fist through their face. I've learned, through my own mistakes, that everybody is allowed to make fun of their own country, but be really careful if you join in because a joke when said by one person is a real insult when said by another.
Put is this way, a joke circulating around the middle east after 9/11 was as follows:
The year is 2051
Little Boy : Dad, why are we commemorating Sept. 11, 2001?
Dad : It's the day that the World Trade Center Towers were destroyed.
Little Boy : Oh, what are the World Trade Center Towers?
Dad : They were the tallest buildings in New York.
Little Boy : Oh, what happened to them?
Dad : The Arabs destroyed them.
Little Boy : Oh, what's an Arab?
When said by someone from the Middle East, it's tragiccomedy. When said by an American, it's a pretty sinister threat.
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terje_the_ma...
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posted September 02, 2003 12:01 PM |
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I'm sorry, but I dare you not to have just a little twinge of pride knowing that your countrymen turned adversity (even adversity that was their own fault) into a party.
I, who isn't even American, is proud of this, now that I know of it! Why?
Because my fellow men used kept their senses, and instead of giving in to panic, they kept calm, and solved the problem (sorta).
Keeping calm under pressure is really ahrd, but these New Yorkers made it, and I'm glad they did.
(I could go on and ramble about this for pages, but since I'd just be repeating myself (which I think I've already done a couple of times), I'll just stop it here.)
I agree with the essence of your post Bort.
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posted September 05, 2003 02:03 AM |
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lincoln famously said America is "the last best hope for mankind" And i dont think the attitude in america has changed that much.
Alot of countries are pissed off with them for many reasons. One of the biggest being that the US military for a hundred years have been intervening in other countrys affairs.
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Korea,Chile,china ,cuba,russia,turkey,Greece,Iran,Iraq,Germany,vietnam,libya,Bolivia,Somalia to Afghanistan and there attempts to help a country have greatly backfired.
Or it could be that if its not using the military on countrys its influencing poorer countrys elections results by either the CIA or the media.
This has happened in countries such as Vietnam,brazil,chile and mongolia to name a few.
Or it could just be the accent.......
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posted September 06, 2003 08:39 AM |
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hmmm... most of those are from the Cold War. Afghanistan... we were attacked by terrorists. To my knowledge, the puppet government in Afghanistan was set-up by Pakistan. You think the Taliban leaving was bad for the people of Afghanistan. Plus it was a breeding ground for terrorists under that government.
So you are telling me that if someone comes up to you and starts biting your hand. You think the problem will just go away. Or do you think you should make the person stop biting your arm. If you try to ignore it, you'll eventually start to bleed and then hemmorage until you've lost a lot of blood and then you have Adolf Hitler running around killing Jews and trying to take over the world. Maybe we should try to be nice to Mike Tyson and give him some candy bars to get him to stop biting us. So we give him the candy bars, but after a while he comes back and starts gnawing away again. So we give him some more candy bars, and eventually give him a constant flow of candy bars, and Mike is happy. But our funds are running short and we have to cut back on the amount of candy bars we give to Mike. So Mike gets angry and bites off our ears.
When do you say enough is enough? When your left arm is gone? When Saddam has a nuclear weapon and attacks Israel. He did say he would do that back in the 80s.
As far as Freedom Fries and all that stuff. I don't take that seriously. It's just a political disapproval of what France did diplomatically during the IRAQ situation. I certainly do not understand why everyone was so upset about this. The fact of the matter is, Iraq broke a treaty to the UN, and they didn't want to enforce it, so the US took things into their own hands. France who allegedly was buying smuggled oil from Iraq, didn't want Hussein to be taken from power as they don't want to lose their oil. They were completely against this action and took. Finally, when we have defeat Husseins army, after denoucing us for months, France decides to try to share the glory of a democratic state to cover their ass.
I personally think changing French Fries to Freedom Fries is much less an insult of what France did to the US. I'm perfectly ok with people having opinions and would not be upset had they maintained their original policies. After all that opposition of attacking Hussein they celebrate and take part in victory once the war has ended?
But I'm getting off topic...
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posted September 06, 2003 06:08 PM |
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That was right on topic, buddy.
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posted September 06, 2003 07:21 PM |
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Maybe we should try to be nice to Mike Tyson and give him some candy bars to get him to stop biting us. So we give him the candy bars, but after a while he comes back and starts gnawing away again. So we give him some more candy bars, and eventually give him a constant flow of candy bars, and Mike is happy. But our funds are running short and we have to cut back on the amount of candy bars we give to Mike. So Mike gets angry and bites off our ears.
When do you say enough is enough? When your left arm is gone?
Oh, boy. Are you serious?
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posted September 07, 2003 12:04 AM |
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hmmm... most of those are from the Cold War. Afghanistan... we were attacked by terrorists
The majority of whom were not from Afghanistan, but your nice "friendly" terrorist supporting allies in Saudi Arabia I think you might recall. Let me just post this, I added it to another site a couple of months back, so I have forgotten where I found it, but anyway.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Key portions of a joint congressional investigative report on the September 11 terrorist attacks that will be released this week will be kept classified by the Bush administration for political, not security, reasons, Sen. Bob Graham said Sunday.
"The classification had more to do with [any given] agency wishing to avoid embarrassment by the disclosure of their actions or inactions rather than the protection of some national security interest," Graham said on CBS's "Face The Nation."
The Florida Democrat said key sections of the 800-page report of the joint investigation by the House and Senate intelligence committees that are being kept under wraps deal with the role of foreign governments in the events leading up to September 11.
Graham, who is running for the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination, was one of the leaders of the joint investigation into intelligence and security failures leading to the September 11, 2001 attacks. who was chairman of Senate Select Committee on Intelligence last year,
He said the part of the report that deals with the activities of foreign governments "is the most classified section." Because of that, Graham said he could not identify the countries.
"I do not want to take a detour to the federal penitentiary in my campaign for president," said Graham, who was chairman of Senate Select Committee on Intelligence last year.
Fifteen of the 19 hijackers who carried out the September 11 attacks were Saudi nationals, some of whom are believed by U.S. authorities to have received assistance from Saudi Arabia-based charities while they were living in the United States.
While not identifying the country or countries identified in the report, Graham said, "I will say that the foreign government went well beyond facilitating charitable giving to terrorists.
"There was also direct governmental involvement with some of the terrorists. And an unanswered question is, Was the same assistance provided to the other 19 terrorists?"
Graham said "it's always been curious to me how 19 people -- many of whom had very little previous affinity with the United States, several of whom did not speak English -- could come into the United States, hide themselves for periods of 18 months or longer, plan, practice and then executive a very complicated terrorist attack without being disclosed."
Saudi officials have repeatedly denied they knowingly helped the September 11 terrorists and insist they have assisted U.S. efforts to fight terrorism, both before and after the attacks.
The Bush administration has also said Saudi Arabia has been an ally in the war against terrorism.
Graham, who has been a critic of President Bush's Iraq policy, also said the congressional investigation turned up "no connection" between Saddam Hussein and September 11 and "very limited evidence" of a relationship between his regime and al Qaeda, either before or after the attacks.
"In fact, there was an enmity between Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein based on their quite different views of the future of the Islamic world," Graham said.
Kinda makes interesting reading doesn't it? Why does your government feel the need to hide from you part of a report into who may have been involved in such an atrocity? Could it possibly be because in reality perhaps The taliban were not the only, or even maybe not the main backers of the terrorists who struck at you?
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To my knowledge, the puppet government in Afghanistan was set-up by Pakistan.
Agreed with the reservation that the Pakistan government are considered an Ally of the US when needed.
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You think the Taliban leaving was bad for the people of Afghanistan.
Nope, but it really depends on who replaces them as well.
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Plus it was a breeding ground for terrorists under that government
So are many countries, so indeed is another country in relation to 9/11, who remains unmentioned for some bizarre reasoning.
Your next analogy needs to have inserted somewhere in it the fact that said violence is used and "biting" is supported and used by us when needed. Kinda "bite him and we're happy, bite us and we get annoyed with you".
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I certainly do not understand why everyone was so upset about this
It's petty to do so and says much for the attitude of people.
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The fact of the matter is, Iraq broke a treaty to the UN
So does god knows how many of the middle east nations that no-one, not even the US considers enforcing.
As for France sharing the glory of a democratic state, well when the allies manage to restore order and bother to set one up we shall see just how well they manage to create one.
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Key portions of a joint congressional investigative report on the September 11 terrorist attacks that will be released this week will be kept classified by the Bush administration for political, not security, reasons, Sen. Bob Graham said Sunday.
"The classification had more to do with [any given] agency wishing to avoid embarrassment by the disclosure of their actions or inactions rather than the protection of some national security interest," Graham said on CBS's "Face The Nation."
The Florida Democrat...
Ahh of course that had to be in there somewhere. Florida Democrat, I guess PH doesn't know as much about politics as he thinks he does. I can't accept this as true and niether should you, being that it is by a Democrat. The Democrats and all the other left-wing loonies have been saying things like this for years. Some have even gone as far as blameing Bush for the 9/11 attacks, they talk as if he himself was sitting in the cockpit when they crashed, this is ludicrous.
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To my knowledge, the puppet government in Afghanistan was set-up by Pakistan.
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Agreed with the reservation that the Pakistan government are considered an Ally of the US when needed.
I guess that would be the same for GB too, huh.
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You think the Taliban leaving was bad for the people of Afghanistan.
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Nope, but it really depends on who replaces them as well.
I guess that means it's not bad is it, the new president doesn't seem like a bad guy. He really cares about that country.
Howdy doody, PH. Awaiting your reply intently.
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posted September 07, 2003 09:23 AM |
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Ahh of course that had to be in there somewhere. Florida Democrat, I guess PH doesn't know as much about politics as he thinks he does
I don't claim to know anything about politics, nor do I care about politics, the question you should be asking yourself is why, if the claims are so ludicrous did YOUR own government prevent YOU from making that judgement? Does open government not count for anything anymore?
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I can't accept this as true and niether should you, being that it is by a Democrat
As opposed to the others who accept such things as the niger document? A document claimed to be fake long before it's use by your government before the UN? Why believe them pray tell, why believe my Government who passed it to you?
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The Democrats and all the other left-wing loonies have been saying things like this for years.
Ah ha, so now we reach the thrust of your argument, biased, blinkered arguments.
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Some have even gone as far as blameing Bush for the 9/11 attacks, they talk as if he himself was sitting in the cockpit when they crashed, this is ludicrous.
A request for a decent reason why we are not permitted knowledge of the foreign governments involved in the planning of this terrorist assault is ludicrous? Does your government not trust you to decide for yourselves the truth?
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I guess that would be the same for GB too, huh.
Oh indeed, I see the comparison entirely between a Dictatorship run, terrorist financing Pakistan and a democratic nation like Britain.....
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I guess that means it's not bad is it, the new president doesn't seem like a bad guy. He really cares about that country.
So it seems so far perhaps.
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And you say I'm biased...
Anyway, going to eave that alone...
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I guess that would be the same for GB too, huh.
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Oh indeed, I see the comparison entirely between a Dictatorship run, terrorist financing Pakistan and a democratic nation like Britain.....
I ment Pakistan is an ally of GB only when needed just like you said about the US. I didn't say you were a dictatorship.
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