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Lord_Woock
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Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted February 07, 2004 10:55 PM |
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I thought Fafner's specialty was Nagas, not Genies?
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted February 07, 2004 10:55 PM |
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Have said this before and gonna say it again:
As you see, I very much like heroes with creature specialty(except Sir Mullich)... Actually, I select other kind of heroes very seldom and have very little knowledge of them.
My question may sound a bit stupid, but where is the advantage of specializing in a creature stack, that more and more becomes a minority in your army given, that you make progress and conquer other towns (maybe with the exception of Galthran, who's skeletons emerge like a natural disaster)?
Wouldn't it be better to specialize in really useful skills like offence, resistance or armor etc., which helps every single stack?
depends.
When you for example play randoms the start you get off is really important. Skellies on galthran gets a speed of 5 instead of 4. Trogs on all mighty shak gets a speed of 5 instead of 4... in underground and upgraded they even got speed 7.
This might not sound so important to you, but with speed 7 you can with ease kill most of the slower units which isnt shooters. Then when you got exp tactics on shak you can reach the shooters on the other side.
These are just some examples, but creature spec matters alot when it comes to certain units... alkins mighty mooo´s are another good example.
Creature spec heroes are also good for better starting units.. say you play castle. Then valeska might be your choice because of the archers she will bring, but once you get more heroes you should use tyris/orrin etc. instead above valeska.
But in general specialities in say armorer/offense should have a higher priority. When you have levelled up some you will learn that they will make a difference, sometimes even a big difference.
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KingofMinota...
Known Hero
Ruling the minotaurs below
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posted February 08, 2004 12:40 AM |
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So King of Minataurs did you get AB or SoD or smth?
I am getting Complete, it has all of them. It's probably the easiest to get.
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Khaelo
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Underwater
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posted February 08, 2004 03:07 AM |
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First:
Woock,
I checked, and you're right. Fafner's specialty is Nagas. It's Thane who's the male genie specialist. Oops. Ignore the babbling above.
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Xarfax,
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The truth is: The things that are good for games against an opponent (=human players), are even more good if u play against a brainless opponent (= computer AI).
This is why I asked.  Multiplayer-oriented tips have really helped my single player game, although I don't worry about speed so much since I don't care about scores (hence, I don't bother with stuff like chaining). Then again, your rant doesn't seem aimed at casual single players like myself...
Okay, your explaination makes sense. So, how do you get Neela early on for Necro? Since she's not native, you can't pick her, so are you dependant on her showing up in the tavern?
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted February 08, 2004 12:25 PM |
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I dunno, my mind may be stuck on HoMM2 (which I started playing again recently), but aren't undeads immune to curse and bless?
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The_Gootch
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Kneel Before Me Sons of HC!!
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posted February 08, 2004 01:02 PM |
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They are.
They're not immune to mass cure and expert teleport. That's what counts.
Good post Xarfax. Good to see a hardened vet taking the time to school these young'uns.
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted February 08, 2004 01:06 PM |
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So my favorite is WATER...water give some very cool spells for necro...masscure, massbless
How does massbless help necros?
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Sir_Stiven
Honorable
Legendary Hero
banned
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posted February 09, 2004 08:20 PM |
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Okay, your explaination makes sense. So, how do you get Neela early on for Necro? Since she's not native, you can't pick her, so are you dependant on her showing up in the tavern?
yupp, but on a set map you usually should try and get 8 heroes day1-2... on a random one you usually get atleast 4-5 unless you know its really poor so there is always a chance.
Good post btw xar.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted February 09, 2004 09:22 PM |
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So my favorite is WATER...water give some very cool spells for necro...masscure, massbless
How does massbless help necros?
eeermm....ouch...geezus...yep u got me.
Referring to AIR magic with haste i wanted to write massprayer(instead of massbless)...lol..im sorry, my fault. Of course bless do NOTHING on skellies.
Massprayer gives a plus to attack, defense and +4 speedto your skellies, so thats the better opportunity to masshaste, as it lets the skellies explode in the hands of your opponent.
To win a game with necro your goal is to FOCUS on your zounds of skellies. After a certain amount of about 600-750 they get unbeatable.
What do people to if they see u coming with 700 skellies (if hit and run is not allowed)? Right...they try to hide in town, or if an experience player on a tile of the map where he finds a large obstacle so that your skellies have to run around it. Or he tries to combine forcefield and antimagic and try to shoot you down from behind the forcefield.
Thats why u need WATER magic...nothin else.
If in town: Expert Teleport lets you jump over the wall.
If behind forcefield: The hated Expert Remove Obstacle takes away the force field! (if dispel is not available).
Why stick with earth magic?
slow: U dont need slow u need to get your skellies to the opponent!
animate: Already "instant" without earth.
implosion: Teleported skellies make 3-4 times more damage!
The perfect Main Hero for Necrolooks like this:
- Armor (speciality) Expert
- Offense (speciality) Expert
- Water Expert
- Luck Expert
- Inteligenz Expert
- Wisom Basic
DONE!
With this combination he goes to the opponent and kills him..hes unbeatable.
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Lord_Torvos
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 09, 2004 11:46 PM |
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Well, about best hero ..
My favorit(s) is Moandor ( i'm necrofan) and Jeddite ..
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KingofMinota...
Known Hero
Ruling the minotaurs below
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posted February 10, 2004 06:19 PM |
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yes but earth is good for other things. If you have expert earth you can cast massshield AND massstoneskin plus use animate dead which is useful since skellies are melee fighters. I am also sure there is a better chance to get these spells than water spells.
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Lord_Woock
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Daddy Cool with a $90 smile
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posted February 10, 2004 07:10 PM |
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How many times was it mentioned that skellies brought back with animate dead remain till after the battle even without earth magic?
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grendal
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 12, 2004 03:33 AM |
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Town portal makes the game much easier. But a nice chain can have the same effect. Chain the men back to the castle then attack and retreat with main. Most online random games u only have one built up castle. And i think fixed maps tp isnt really necessary for online games.
@Xarfax Thats one heck of a strategy  How much time do u put in thinking of things like that. I'm fully impressed 
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KingofMinota...
Known Hero
Ruling the minotaurs below
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posted February 12, 2004 06:59 PM |
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So do heroes get some kind of a boost to their magic skills tied with their castle? (i.e. Solmyr gets bonuses to air being a Tower hero, Aislinn gets bonus to earth being a necro hero)
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furryeifle
Tavern Dweller
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posted February 14, 2004 09:50 PM |
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I'm shocked that no-one has galthran for the favorite undead hero...he improves your skele stack at a rate nearly as quickly as isra, and he does it by stat boosting, which in the end is probably more useful (as animate dead is completely hp based, your animated stack is more effective w/galthran than isra) not to mention galthran makes it easier to horde skeles w/o losing them (that boost to speed makes quite a bit of difference, especially early before you get vamp lords.
Just for kicks i made a custom map to see how much isra's special helped my skele stacks...It would appear by around lvl 20 isra had boosted my skele stack by about 35% over what a standard necromancy hero would've had. Given the same skills (expert armorer, expert offense, expert earth magic) a stack of skeleton warriors (most sizes worked) led by a lvl 20 galthran vs. a stack that was up to 50% larger led by a lvl 20 isra, the majority of the time galthran's skeles would win. For instances where only a 35% bonus (that which i estimated) was given to isra's skele stack, galthrans skeles won usually by a landslide. Admittedly, a large part of this victory was also that generally galthran's skeles got the first strike as he increases their speed by one, but even that is still a very useful boost to the stacks usefulness. Some of the worst defeats isra suffered were ones where he attempted to take first strike by either hasting or teleporting his skeles. In lots of cases a simple shield was enough to make the battle go in galthran's favor, but in cases where i broke out the animate dead the results were even more staggering in galthran's favor.
Here's an interesting tidbit of knowledge (that is simulataneously probably completely useless): What unit that can be acquired in town in the game can attain the highest att/defense stats, hero attack and defense aside? Answer: Skeleton warriors lead by a lvl 99 galthran will have an attack/defense of 35 (maybe 36) prior to galthran's normal attack and defense being added, making them the creatures w/ the highest attack/defense in the game.
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Nebuka
Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
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posted February 19, 2004 09:02 PM |
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Just test it, and yep, 88th level is highest, after that it turns you into level 0 hero.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted February 19, 2004 09:13 PM |
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So i did a liitle testing about the maximum of exp. points. Here are the results......and that really happened:
I´ve made a small map with one hero and one castle. Gave the hero max. exp. points (99.999.999) and as skill "Learning".
Placed 100 pandoras boxes around the castle and filled them also with max. exp. points (99.999.999).
When game started, hero was Level 59.
With every box he earned 115.000.000 points.
So he earns level per level up to lev 74. with about 1.800.000.000 exp. points. two or three boxes later, he raised with that one box up to level 88 and nearly 2.000.000.000 points. Two boxes later, his exp. points were NEGATIVE!! (about -5.000.000.000) with every box the number get´s smaller. Suddenly he was again Level 1. This was about opened 40 boxes at least. Then with more boxes, he raised again up to level 88 in the same way like above mentioned. But then the big suprise: After some more boxes, he raised his level unstoppable from 88 to Level 234!!!! Some boxes later he was level 0 (!!). and two of the prim. skills were at O, while the others were about 90. After opening the last boxes, he reached again level 88 and that was the end of testing....
Very scary....
(tested with RoE 1.0)
EDIT:
I´ve made a print of that hero, but can´t upload it here. If someone can do it, i would send him the pic as mail.
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TowerTitan
Hired Hero
user of my deadly sig. weapon
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posted February 20, 2004 02:48 AM |
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Castle: None
Rampart: Gelu
Tower: Dracon
Inferno: Xyron
Necropolis: Sandro
Dungeon: Jaegar
Stronghold: None
Fortress: Merist
Conflux: Brissa
As you can see, I prefer castles with lots of Magic. I don't prefer any hero in the Castle or Stronghold because there isn't as much magic influence. Both only have a level 3 mage guild. I seem to like Merist because she was my hero on my first game of HOMM3. But Dracon and Gelu are the best of all because of their ability to upgrade 1st+2nd level creatures further (Gelu: Archers/Marksman+Elves/Grand Elves=Sharpshooters) (Dracon: Monks/Zealots+Magi/Arch Magi= Enchanters.
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted February 20, 2004 08:10 AM |
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.....Both only have a level 3 mage guild......
Sorry dude, but castle has level 4...
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KingofMinota...
Known Hero
Ruling the minotaurs below
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posted February 23, 2004 06:33 PM |
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yeah and besides, as long as you have a spell book, wisdom, and a/some schools of magic, any hero can become good with magic. On most maps you can find many schools of magic, garden of knowledge (pardon me if its wrong), and star axises that raise your knowledge and SP along with many artifacts.
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