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Aquaman333
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posted May 12, 2004 10:32 PM |
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Is it just me, or this thread to changing from "christians" to "atheist raise your hands" 
Yeah, ours didn't catch on the way yours did...
Anyway, I don't know what these professors are talking about, there is plenty of historical basis backing Christianity. An entire Egyptian army admitted to seeing the Red Sea get parted.
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Vadskye91
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posted May 12, 2004 10:47 PM |
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Yeah, I agree with ya there Shirastro. But you know, a good debate never hurt anyone! 
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Khaelo
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posted May 12, 2004 10:50 PM |
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Edited By: Khaelo on 12 May 2004
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Indeed, do we need a rehash of "atheists...hands"?
Addendum & context for the quote I cite above: The author is a Christian and a scholar, he has a particular vision of "authentic Christian discipleship" (in case anyone was wondering, since it's a very vague term), and he aims his book at the scholars and theologians obsessed with uncovering the historical Jesus. A number of authors like to go back and try to reconstruct Jesus' human life, and sometimes they use the implications of their historical reconstructions to make comments on current church(es). Johnson strongly objects to this practice and suggests that the historical Jesus isn't as important as the living Christ in Christianity today. We've had some class discussions around this topic, but they're very academic and people don't make ideological stands in terms of faith.
This is a thread all about making an ideological stand of faith. So, for any Christians willing to answer: How important is the "historical Jesus" to you? How do you see Jesus' earthly life? If someone were to come up with some radical new information about Jesus and somehow prove it historically, would that affect your faith?
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Edit: Uh, not to turn this confrontational, but...the historical evidence regarding Jesus isn't terribly solid by secular standards. We have no eyewitness accounts, our earliest source is Paul who gives us lots of theology and little narrative, and the Gospels sometimes conflict on points of hard chronology, such as what day/time Jesus died (John has a different timeline than Mark, on whom Matthew and Luke are probably dependant as a source). Historians who round out Jesus' human life have to use a lot of speculation. That's part of Johnson's complaint, actually.
As to the Red Sea...did that army of Egyptians leave us an account of the event as well?
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Consis
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posted May 13, 2004 07:28 AM |
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Edited By: Consis on 13 May 2004
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Jesus To Me
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How important is the "historical Jesus" to you? How do you see Jesus' earthly life? If someone were to come up with some radical new information about Jesus and somehow prove it historically, would that affect your faith?
Considering that my name is behind the title of this post, I'm sure no one will get offended or feel as if I'm pressing my religious views against them. It is, after all, only my opinion and I, after all, am only one man.
I don't know if Jesus was a real person or the son of God. The many churches I have attended while growing up have all taught me to believe that he is both. I've been to so many different types of christian churches that I can't remember each one.
In each one they taught me their perspective of the bible. I listened.
I feel sort of like an old man now because I finally know why certain values are good to have in life. Jesus represents the value of forgiveness to me. To me, that is the most difficult thing to do to someone who has hurt you in the deepest sense of the word. Jesus said to forgive them(those that have hurt you) as God forgives us.
I don't forgive so easily. In fact, if you were to ask my two sisters, two brothers, mother, and father, they would tell you that I am known for not forgiving people. I don't like the label personally but I can't ignore the overwhelming agreed sentiment. Of all the people I should forgive, of all the people that have hurt me, of all the billions of people in the world, I should forgive my mother. If Jesus were standing next to me He would tell me to forgive her as God forgives me.
I honestly can't say that I understand all of it. I really don't. I don't know how to forgive for what she has done. She cheated on my father after 20 years of faithful marriage. There are times when I convince myself that life will be better once she has passed away. It(forgiveness) sounds easy to do but I can't seem to do it. Every time I think on it, I degrade to a lower form of human and dwell on the pain she has caused our family. Sometimes it's all I can think about.
That's what I live with. To me, the story of Jesus holds the key to being able to forgive my mother one day. Maybe before she dies I could finally look her in the eyes and truly have the respect I once had for her.
That's me. I have my own problems. That's why I go to church. I'm looking to learn to forgive so that I can get on with my life. It's a brooding corruptive thing to carry your pain with you where ever you go. Sometimes you get sick from the feelings and the hurt. Why can't I have my mother back the way she used to be?
I don't know. That's just the way it is. Would it change my opinion of Jesus if someone were to prove that he's just some fictional character? No. It won't shake me. To me, He's more than a man or a character. He's is the principle for which I am in quest of.
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viking
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posted July 12, 2004 11:26 PM |
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Funny, because the Bible says that Jesus is God's son, not God himself.
Yeah, I don't get that
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Shirastro
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posted July 13, 2004 02:49 AM |
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Whats there to get? He is the son of God.....God is his father Maria is his mother.
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viking
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posted July 14, 2004 02:23 AM |
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Whats there to get? He is the son of God.....God is his father Maria is his mother.
well i heard people refer to jesus as God
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Shirastro
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posted July 14, 2004 02:59 AM |
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Well next time tell them to educate them self 
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Vadskye91
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posted July 14, 2004 03:37 AM |
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Jesus is God. God is God. The Holy Spirit is God. They're a trinity, three parts of a whole, yet each one complete on its own.
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bort
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posted July 14, 2004 04:04 AM |
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...and Bob's your uncle.
It's a well scripted dramatic scene, though, when you think of it -- A Jewish carpenter being tortured, hanging off a cross on top of a hill.
Yahweh : John the Baptist never told you the truth about your father.
Jeshua : He told me enough! He told me you killed him.
Yahweh : No. Jeshua, I am your Father! Oh, and Mary Magdalene is your sister.
Jeshua : NO!!!!!!!
Falls, Millenium Falcon conveniently picks him up in a wonderful little bit of Deus ex machina(pun intended)
Oh wait, am I getting my popular mythology mixed up?
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Lews_Therin
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posted July 14, 2004 11:50 AM |
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Well, there were hundreds of Pagan trinities existing, most of them long before the birth of Jesus is supposed to have taken place.
Before the not-so-early Christians in the fourth century decided that their god was a trinitarian one too, there was a rather heated dispute about the subject. At the synod of Ephesus for example, the bishops hit each others with sticks, until the weaker side left the field and the holy spirit decided that god is three in one.
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privatehudson
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posted July 14, 2004 03:40 PM |
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Christians raise your hands... so you can surrender to the humour of Bort and the logic of Lews
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Ruby
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posted July 15, 2004 05:12 AM |
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Well, I am Christian, but its hard to believe all the stuff sometimes. I wonder y there's so much freakin hurt and crap in every corner, y God would allow for that stuff to happen? If he's stronger than the forces of the devil, then y dont get rid of it?
And I don't believe that cursing is wrong. Who says what words are specific "bad" words?
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Consis
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posted July 15, 2004 07:56 AM |
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Unfortunately, we christians are hardpressed to find anyone bearing even the slightest resemblence here at Heroes Community. I had one small infuriating debate with PrivateHudson about the bible and realized I was not only talking to the wrong person but in the wrong place as well. Most of this community is anti-christian.
I don't let it bother me though. I still like the place and hope others aren't scared away by the strong anti-christian postings here.
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privatehudson
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posted July 15, 2004 10:22 AM |
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I'm not anti-christian, I'm an agnostic, it's not my fault a lot of the christian religion is flawed Consis
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Consis
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posted July 15, 2004 07:25 PM |
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Edited By: Consis on 15 Jul 2004
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Hehehe PrivateHudson,
Touche' my friend.
Now as I was saying....not only is there a strong anti-christian sentiment here, but if one tries to label said protestors as such then even that is protested.
Methinks they doth protest too much, aye?
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doomnezeu
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posted July 15, 2004 07:28 PM |
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people, being a cristian or not ain't the point.
it's what you belive in.
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privatehudson
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posted July 15, 2004 08:03 PM |
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Touche' my friend.
Now as I was saying....not only is there a strong anti-christian sentiment here, but if one tries to label said protestors as such then even that is protested.
Methinks they doth protest too much, aye?
Methinks that's circular logic
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viking
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posted July 15, 2004 11:37 PM |
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I am an orthodox and I am proud of it
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Shirastro
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posted July 16, 2004 03:51 AM |
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I'm an atheis, Have i mentioned this....i think i might have
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