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JollyJoker
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posted July 26, 2012 10:35 AM

Sadly, there are no such facts. There just are none.

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posted July 26, 2012 12:12 PM
Edited by Elodin at 12:13, 26 Jul 2012.

Studies show you to be wrong.

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THE ABORTION / SUICIDE CONNECTION

David C. Reardon, Ph.D.

In the 1960's, when abortions were available only for "therapeutic" reasons, it was not uncommon for persons with the means and know-how to obtain an abortion on psychiatric grounds. In some states, all that was necessary was to find an agreeable psychiatrist willing to diagnose every woman with a problem pregnancy as "suicidal."

Yet all the studies done on this issue show that pregnancy is actually correlated with a dramatic decreased rate of suicide compared to non-pregnant women. This has led some psychiatrists to suggest that pregnancy somehow serves a psychologically protective role. The presence of another person to "live for" appears to reduce the suicidal impulses of a mentally disturbed or deeply depressed woman.(1)

Although pregnancy weakens suicidal impulses, there is strong evidence that abortion dramatically increases the risk of suicide. According to a 1986 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota, a teenage girl is 10 times more likely to attempt suicide if she has had an abortion in the last six months than is a comparable teenage girl who has not had an abortion.(2) Other studies have found similar statistical significance between a history of abortion and suicide attempts among adults. Thus, the actual data suggests that abortion is far more likely to drive an unstable woman to suicide than is pregnancy and childbirth.

This abortion/suicide link is well known among professionals who counsel suicidal persons. For example, Meta Uchtman, director of the Cincinnati chapter of Suiciders Anonymous, reported that in a 35 month period her group worked with 4000 women, of whom 1800 or more had abortions. Of those who had abortions, 1400 were between the ages of 15 and 24, the age group with the fastest growing suicide rate in the country.

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posted July 26, 2012 12:53 PM

Not passed peer review.
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posted July 26, 2012 01:08 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 13:15, 26 Jul 2012.

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Yet all the studies done on this issue show that pregnancy is actually correlated with a dramatic decreased rate of suicide compared to non-pregnant women.



Probably due to the menstrual cycle, between the heavy hormone bombardment and emotional effects, certain women suffer insurmountable pain.

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It is estimated that between 50 and 70 percent of women endure some degree of period pain and cramping. Of those, approximately 10 percent experience contractions so extreme that they are one and a half times more powerful than labour pains.

How painful is painful?
Every month many women suffer from pain around the time of their periods. For some women the pain can be so debilitating that they are forced to take time off work or can only get through their periods by dosing themselves with painkillers. Pain is normally considered to be a message from your body, telling you that something is wrong and that an investigation is in order. However, painful periods are viewed somewhat differently by the medical profession and many women who complain of period pains are advised to take a painkiller and to get on with it.

Every one of us has a different pain threshold, and it is impossible to imagine what another person might be experiencing. Only you know whether or not your period pains are unacceptably high for you, and if the pain is affecting the quality of your life, it's time to do something about it.

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posted July 26, 2012 02:04 PM

lol a single study from 1986? that was ageeeeeeeeeees ago

but then some people use 2000 year old "sources"...
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posted July 26, 2012 02:16 PM

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Studies show you to be wrong.

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THE ABORTION / SUICIDE CONNECTION

David C. Reardon, Ph.D.





A couple of things about David C. Reardon whom you cite here. The following comes from the very interesting essay by Chris Mooney, called "Research and Destroy - How the religious right promotes its own "experts" to combat mainstream science".

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Intelligent design proponents aren't the only religious conservatives who have adopted the trappings of science. Take David Reardon, an Illinois-based researcher who during the 1980s set out to prove that abortion causes mental illness, chemical dependency, and a range of other poor health outcomes in women. It's true that women sometimes feel temporarily depressed or guilty after an abortion. But the notion that abortion regularly causes severe or clinical mental problems has been rejected by, among others, a group of experts convened by the American Psychological Association and Ronald Reagan's surgeon general, C. Everett Koop. (See sidebar.)

Reardon first emerged on the intellectual scene in 1987 with a book titled Aborted Women, Silent No More, a review of the "evidence" on abortion's after-effects that included testimonies from women who had undergone post-abortion religious conversions. The next year, Reardon founded his own quasi-academic think tank, the Elliot Institute for Social Sciences Research. At the time, Reardon had a background in electronic engineering; he's since acquired a Ph.D. in biomedical ethics from Pacific Western University, an unaccredited correspondence school offering no classroom instruction.

Over the years, Reardon has managed to publish a number of abortion-related papers in scientific journals. But at best, he has been able to show correlations between abortion and, say, depression or alcoholism--not causation. In a 2003 study in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, for instance, Reardon and co-authors reported that women who undergo abortions end up being admitted for psychiatric care more frequently than those who do not. But as numerous critics pointed out, that hardly proved that abortion causes mental problems. In a rebuttal of the study, University of California at Santa Barbara psychologist Brenda Major noted that Reardon's group failed to control for the different life circumstances of women who choose to abort versus those who have a planned pregnancy. (Women who opt for abortion, for example, tend not to be married or in intimate relationships--factors themselves linked to poorer mental health.)

Confronted with such criticisms, Reardon avers that "proving causation is always very difficult." Yet "in well-designed studies that control for variables Reardon fails to take into account, legal abortion is not found to be associated with degradation in mental health," notes Nancy Felipe Russo, a psychologist at Arizona State University. Reardon doesn't just read the data differently; he appears to see what he wants to see. In a recent essay in the conservative journal Ethics & Medicine, Reardon defended what he called the "Neglected Rhetorical Strategy" of opposing abortion on the grounds that it hurts women, instead of simply because it's morally wrong. "Because abortion is evil, we can expect, and can even know, that it will harm those who participate in it," he wrote. "Nothing good comes from evil." That's theological, not scientific thinking. But it has been influential. Recently, conservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.) sponsored a bill in the House of Representatives to provide $ 15 million in federal funding for research on "post-abortion depression."


Still no facts.

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posted July 27, 2012 01:50 AM
Edited by Corribus at 03:31, 27 Jul 2012.

Elodin an opinion piece from a website with an agenda hardly constitutes anything resembling evidence or consensus by the medical community.  That's not how scientific research works.

Not that I'm necessarily disagreeing with you that there are mental health consequences of having abortions.  But doctors should be relying on a body of evidence, not single isolated studies and certainly not op eds with it comes to patient care.

EDIT: By the way, David C. Reardon "Ph.D.", who wrote the article you linked to, earned his "degree" in bioethics from an unaccredited university.  That's right - not only is he not an expert in medical science, he's not even a qualified expert in anything at all.  You insult your own intelligence when you rely on such sham sources to support your arguments.

EDIT2: Ah, I see JJ has already pointed this out.  Oh well, it can't hurt for Elodin to read it twice.
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posted July 27, 2012 11:09 AM

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Sadly, there are no such facts. There just are none.


Your statement is not factual. Aside from the morally corrupt murder of the baby there are quite a few negative things associated with abortion.

It is interesting that I presented an article that referenced studies showing a link between abortion and suicide and yet I was condemned because the article writer is religious instead of some anti-God anti-theist hatemonger. The fact that the article writer who referenced the studies believes in God debunks neither his article nor the peer-reviewed studies he referenced.

Women should be given all the facts, not pumped full of an abortion mill's lies. Baby murder is big business and those business owners want to encourage the murder of unborn babies so they can profit thereby.

Here is an article that discusses a Finish study. I'm sure the government of Finland is not pushing a "Christian right" agenda.

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Women who have an abortion face a 248 percent greater risk of suicide, accidental death or homicide in the following year, according to a newly released 13-year Finnish study.

The survey also found the suicide rate among women who had an abortion was six times higher than for women who had given birth in the prior year and double that of women who had miscarriages.

The study was conducted by Finland’s National Research and Development Center for Welfare and Health and published in the European Journal of Public Health. The researchers studied data from the years 1987 to 2000 on all deaths among women of reproductive age, 15 to 49.

While the risk of death among women who had given birth in the prior year was lowest, death from suicide, accidents and homicide was highest among women who had an abortion in the previous year.

Women who had been pregnant had less than half the death rate of women who had not been pregnant. The risk of death for women who had suffered a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy did not noticeably differ from women who had not been pregnant.

The findings confirm other studies carried out in the United States, as well as Finland, that showed an increase in the death risk of women who have abortions.


In 1997, a government-funded study in Finland found that women who had abortions were 3.5 times more likely to die the following year than women who had given birth.

Furthermore, researchers looking at death records linked to medical payments for birth and abortion for 173,000 California women discovered there was a 62 percent higher chance of death for aborting women than delivering women over the eight-year period that was examined.

The study also found that the increase in the risk of death was from suicides and accidents. It showed a 154 percent higher risk of death from suicide and 82 percent higher risk of death from accidental injuries.

The main author of the California study, David Reardon, said record-linkage studies like this one are key to getting an accurate picture of pregnancy associated mortality rates.

“In most cases, coroners simply have no way of knowing that the deceased recently had an abortion, which is why these new record-linkage studies are so important,” Reardon said.

Government health officials in Finland found in a recent study that 94 percent of maternal deaths involving abortion could not be identified by merely looking at a death certificate. This discovery applies to the data published by the Centers for Disease Control in the U.S.


Also, previous studies draw links between women who get abortions and an increase in substance abuse, anxiety, sleep disorders, suicidal thoughts, psychiatric illness, relationship problems and risk-taking behavior, which could easily lead to death by suicide or accident.

Beyond that, authors of the new Finland study suggested there might be common risk factors between having induced abortion and dying from accidental injury. They called on medical professionals to be aware of these risks.


“Women seeking abortions should be informed that abortion is associated with significant physical and mental health risks, and it also deprives them of numerous physical and mental health benefits associated with childbirth.” Reardon said.

He added, it’s “especially important for health care providers to be aware of these risks and the risk factors which identify those women who are at highest risk.”

“Providing women with the resources to help them resolve emotional issues relating to past abortions will not only increase their well-being but may possibly save their lives,” he said.
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posted July 27, 2012 11:18 AM

Regarding David C. Reardon:

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David C. Reardon, Ph.D., director of the Elliot Institute,  is widely recognized as one of the leading experts on the aftereffects of abortion on women, a field in which he has specialized since 1983. He is the author of numerous books and popular and scholarly articles on this topic.


His studies have been published in such prestigious medical journals as the British Medical Journal and the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology
and have proven that abortion compared to childbirth is associated with higher rates of maternal death, psychiatric hospitalization, subsequent substance abuse, clinical depression, and numerous other complications.

Articles about Dr. Reardon and his work have appeared in numerous magazines and newspapers, including Newsweek and the New York Times.  He is a frequent guest on Christian radio and Christian television talk shows and has been a key note speaker at many state and national conventions for crisis pregnancy centers and pro-life organizations.

The emphasis of his work has been on promoting a “pro-woman / pro-life” approach to the abortion issue which emphasizes efforts to prevent coerced and unsafe abortions and efforts to create a more healing environment for women, men and families hurting because of a past abortion.

These efforts have led to the development of model legislation called Prevention from Coerced and Unsafe Abortion Act which is being promoted by the Stop Forced Abortions Alliance. This legislation would make it easier for women to hold abortionists liable for psychological injuries associated with abortion, especially when they  fail to screen for coercion and other known risk factors that are strongly associated with increased risk of negative abortion reactions.   Versions of this legislation have recently been passed in Nebraska and South Dakota.

This approach has proven to be controversial.  In general, some pro-life leaders have argued Reardon’s effort to focus on how abortion hurts women, men, and family distracts people from the unborn victims.   More specifically, some pro-life legislative strategists have actively opposed passage of the Prevention of Coerced and Unsafe Abortion Act insisting that all political resources should be focused on efforts which emphasize the humanity of the unborn child (ultrasound, fetal development) and the cruelty of abortion to the unborn (partial birth abortions, fetal pain).

Dr. Reardon was propelled to center stage of the pro-life movement after the publication of his first book Aborted Women, Silent No More, in 1987. It has become the best-selling book on abortion’s impact on women and has been called “the most powerful book ever written on abortion.”

His most recent book, Forbidden Grief: The Unspoken Pain of Abortion, co-authored with Dr. Theresa Burke, is the most comprehensive review of the impact of abortion on women available. It is a compelling revelation of the secrets post-abortive women tell only their therapists but want everyone to know. Reviewers are already hailing it as “phenomenal” and a “classic.”

Dr. Reardon is also the author of Making Abortion Rare: A Healing Strategy for a Divided Nation (Acorn Books, 1996). Pro-life leaders have recommended it as compulsory reading for every pro-lifer who wants to know how abortion can be stopped in a way that is “practical and realistic, but free of moral compromise.” Dr. Reardon’s three-pronged strategy for ending abortion has already been adopted by many pro-life organizations at the local, state, and national levels. It appears certain that the popularity of this new compassionate approach to the abortion conflict will continue to grow and become a permanent part of pro-life activities.

As part of this strategy to end abortion, Dr. Reardon has also authored The Jericho Plan: Breaking Down the Walls That Prevent Post-Abortion Healing. This is a resource book for post-abortion healing. It also serves as a sermon guide that helps ministers and clergy to address the abortion issue in a manner that reduces hostilities and promotes post-abortion healing. Most importantly, The Jericho Plan is helping pastors to overcome the fear of preaching on abortion. It is helping many pastors to break their silence and boldly preach a compassionate message that is truly both pro-life and pro-healing.

In Victims and Victors: Speaking Out About Their Pregnancies, Abortions, and Children Resulting from Sexual Assault with Julie Makimaa and Amy Sobie, he compiled the witness and testimonies of 194 women who became pregnant following sexual assault. The nearly universal opinion of these women demonstrates that abortion is neither helpful nor necessary in cases of rape and incest, and in fact does far greater harm than good to these victims of sexual assault.


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posted July 27, 2012 02:45 PM

Elodin, it doesn't do to just copy some biassed articles - you might research a bit.
I found the "Finnish study" quite elusive, but managed to indeed find one that is repeatedly mentioned in articles the likes of which you like to link us with.

The following link leads to the study, as it was published:

The Finnish Study

Indeed we find this in the study:

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Our data showed that the suicide rate associated with birth was half of the general suicide rate in women aged 15–49. This suggests that childbearing prevents suicide or that women capable of giving birth are not at high risk for suicide. The only exception might be teenage mothers, whose suicide rate associated with birth was three times the general rate in this age group. This is, however, a tentative finding because of small numbers.

The suicide rate after an abortion was three times the general suicide rate and six times that associated with birth. Similarly, the rate of psychiatric admissions within three months after the end of pregnancy was 53% higher in women who delivered than in women who had had an induced abortion in a Danish register study.



Which is, what you and yours are all yapping about.

However, the same study says:

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Low social class and poor social support have been connected with risk factors for suicide after birth. The risk for postnatal depression is greater for women with low income or with occupational instability,20 21 and puerperal psychoses are more common among young mothers and women with poor social support.5 Social class has also been found to be associated with all mental disorders after an abortion.19 22 Data from the abortion register showed that women in the lowest social class were highly over-represented among women who committed suicide. We did not, however, have complete information on social class in our data. No control group for social class after birth and miscarriage and for the general population was available. In addition, the social class was based only on the mother's occupation.

The proportion of divorced women who commit suicide was more than double after an abortion and eight-fold after a birth, which suggests that low social support is associated with suicide. Similarly, in a Danish study, a fivefold rate in admissions to psychiatric hospitals after abortion was found for separated, divorced, or widowed women compared with that of other women.19

The relation between suicide, mental disorders, life events, social class, and social support is a complex one.23 Abortion might mean a selection of women at higher risk for suicide because of reasons like depression. Another explanation for the higher suicide rate after an abortion could be low social class, low social support, and previous life events or that abortion is chosen by women who are at higher risk for suicide because of other reasons. Increased risk for a suicide after an induced abortion can, besides indicating common risk factors for both, result from a negative effect of induced abortion on mental wellbeing. With our data, however, it was not possible to study the causality more carefully.


Meaning, the study doesn't actually say anything about causes and effects - in fact the causality is the other way round: if you stumble over a suicide victim, you have a much higher probability to find one or more abortions in that woman's history than living children, probability rising the younger the victim is, which makes an awful lot of sense.

Now let's talk about REAL science and not this flimsy stuff.

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posted July 27, 2012 03:29 PM

I have a great idea for South Dakota. They should make a study and check which car (if any) suicide victims were owning at the time of their suicide.
If "no car" had a higher percentage rate, the car industry could advertise with "buying a car reduces suicide risk".

Of course, if there was a brand with higher than average percentage rate, SD should make a law, making it mandatory for the dealers of that brand to warn potential customers, that driving an "..." would increase suicide risk.

And lastly, those suicide victims who did it INVOLVING their car (crash, carbonmonoxide and so on) - those would of course be the highest risk group.

I suppose German car dealers would be quite happy. I can imagine that owning a BMW, Porsche, Mercedes or Audi reduces suicide risk massively, whereas "no car" and "Ford Pinto" might increase the risk massively.

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posted July 27, 2012 04:40 PM
Edited by Tsar-Ivor at 16:56, 27 Jul 2012.

Shouldn't we be discussing the grounds under which this law was made, rather then entertain JJ's trolling fantasies?

First, I'm all for speculation and hypothesis, but not at the cost of a civilized discussion. And second, I don't see why we need to stab in the dark when the ground-works of this discussion should be based on what made the court uphold the South Dakota law.
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posted July 27, 2012 05:09 PM

The "trolling fantasies" serve as an example to demonstrate the difficulties of establishing a causal connection between statistical variables, but maybe it's a bit too much asked to realize that, all things considered.

If you check for suicide, for example, you can't just check for SOMETHING (like car ownership OR abortion) and ASSUME the causal connection. THAT figures are higher or lower is one thing. But whether it's BECAUSE of a specific other is something else COMPLETELY.

That is demonstrated by the car example. Now with THAT example it's clear for everyone: why would there be a connection between ownership of specific or no cars and suicidal tendencies?

However, the situation with abortions is EXACTLY the same, simply because we cannot ASSUME there is one, since that is exactly what is to be shown.
So scientifically there is no difference whatsoever. You have to prove the causality.

If you want to do that with a study, such a study must fulfill certain requirements.

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Shouldn't we be discussing the grounds under which this law was made, rather then entertain JJ's trolling fantasies?




That is difficult to do if JJ is just going to make statements that nothing indicates a link between abortion and suicide in spite of the existence of studies that say otherwise. Anyways, evidence was presented by both the Planned Parenthood abortion mill and the state and the state evidently had the more compelling evidence.

Below is a link to another article about a pro-life victory over abortion and Obamacare.

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The Catholic family that owns a Colorado-based company won a court victory in their battle to stop the Obama administration from requiring them to provide insurance coverage for abortion-inducing drugs, sterilization and contraception, a mandate they say violates their religious beliefs and First Amendment rights.

Hercules Industries, a Denver-based heating ventilation and air conditioning manufacturer that employs nearly 300 full-time workers, got an injunction in federal court which stops enforcement of the controversial ObamaCare mandate. The company's lawyers said they needed the injunction immediately because if the mandate is enforced, it must begin immediately making changes to its health plan, which renews on Nov. 1.

The case is similar to ones brought by Catholic-based colleges that have refused to provide employee insurance with such coverage, except this time, it is a secular corporation.


In his order, Colorado District Judge John Kane said that the government’s arguments “are countered, and indeed outweighed, by the public interest in the free exercise of religion."


The case still must be aired out in court, but lawyers representing Hercules savored the  temporary victory.

“Every American, including family business owners, should be free to live and do business according to their faith. For the time being, Hercules Industries will be able to do just that,” said Matt Bowman, legal counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom, the Arizona-based organization representing the Newlands. “The bottom line is that Congress and the Constitution explicitly protect all religious freedom. They don’t exclude family businesses.”




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posted July 28, 2012 01:03 AM

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nothing indicates a link between abortion and suicide


That is quite correct.

By the way, moving from any New England state to Texas involves a high risk of becoming a killer. Or being killed - ok, two sides of the same coin, really.

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By the way, moving from any New England state to Texas involves a high risk of becoming a killer. Or being killed - ok, two sides of the same coin, really.


No, but moving to Texas means you have a right to defend yourself and your family because Texas is not governed by Marxist freaks who need to keep a tight reign on all guns and who think a criminal is a criminal only because he was mistreated by society.  Texans are intelligent enough to know that people chose to become criminals if they are criminals. That a criminal is not a criminal because he was scolded by his first grade teacher or because he tripped over a toy when he was 9 years old or because Mommy spanked his little behind for hitting his sister or because he didn't get to watch his favorite TV show one night when he was 12 or because he watched his favorite TV show when he was 12 or because some girl rejected his advances when he was 16. Texans are also wise enough to know that guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns don't ever jump out of a gun cabinet and start shooting

In Texas there is a "castle" law that says you don't have to retreat from your own home and you have a right to defend yourself, your family, and your property with deadly force. No bleeding heart morons who think you should have to run away or try to fight off home invaders with your fists or who just tell the elderly to try to shuffle away from the criminal who invades his home. Nope, Texans are more wise to the world, more practical, and simply don't think criminals have a right to prey on innocent people. If you want a carreer in crime chose a Norther Marxist state. Don't mess with Texas!!!

In some Northern Marxist states you have to retreat from your home. Too bad if you are elderly or handicapped or if you broke your leg last week. Just die already, but don't harm the poor mistreated downtrodden person who broke into your house!! Just stand by and watch him rape your wife and children because if you take action to stop him you are wrong!!  That is the job of the cops, not your job, and its not your right to be violent just because the poor soul is being violent and raping your little girl til she dies!! Just watch and be a witness for the state so they can send the poor soul to a mental facility to make him all better.

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That a criminal is not a criminal because he was scolded by his first grade teacher or because he tripped over a toy when he was 9 years old or because Mommy spanked his little behind for hitting his sister or because he didn't get to watch his favorite TV show one night when he was 12 or because he watched his favorite TV show when he was 12 or because some girl rejected his advances when he was 16.

Right.

A criminal rapist is a criminal rapist because his or her parents or other relatives raped them while they were young children (generally around the age of 1-5) repeatedly. Murderers are murderers because they were criminally abused and neglected by people that were supposed to protect them, or they join a gang which desensitizes them in much the same way the military or a cult would so that they obey every order given to them by the gang leaders (Including murder, assault and stealing). Theft is complicated. It can stem from desperate need, a feeling of neglect or anything in between. As long as it has enough of a traumatic effect to make the person desperate enough to do something stupid.

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Sorry for the off-topic, I'll just be going now.
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Another victory for the unborn.

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Arizona's ban on abortions starting at 20 weeks of pregnancy will take effect this week as scheduled after a federal judge ruled Monday that the new law is constitutional.

U.S. District Judge James Teilborg said the statute may prompt a few pregnant women who are considering abortion to make the decision earlier. But he said the law is constitutional because it doesn't prohibit any women from making the decision to end their pregnancies.

The judge also wrote that the state provided "substantial and well-documented" evidence that an unborn child has the capacity to feel pain during an abortion by at least 20 weeks.

The ban, set to take effect Thursday, is similar but not identical to those enacted by other states. It prohibits abortions starting at 20 weeks of pregnancy except in medical emergencies. That is a change from the current ban at viability, which is the ability to survive outside the womb and which generally is considered to be about 24 weeks. A normal pregnancy lasts about 40 weeks.

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While North Carolina has long had a 20-week ban, Nebraska in 2010 was the first state to recently enact one. Five more states followed in 2010: Alabama, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas and Oklahoma.

Along with Arizona, Georgia and Louisiana approved 20-week bans this year, though Georgia's doesn't take effect until 2013.

The Center for Reproductive Rights said none of the 20-week bans have so far been blocked by courts.



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gnomes2169
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posted July 31, 2012 04:51 AM
Edited by gnomes2169 at 04:52, 31 Jul 2012.

Come to Minnesota, throne of the Godless North.

We've got cake, human rights and abortions!

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Ignore that last bit, El. It's not meant for you.
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Elodin
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posted August 22, 2012 09:34 PM

Another victory for the unborn and for taxpayering Texans.

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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A federal appeals court ruled late Tuesday that Texas can cut off funding for Planned Parenthood clinics that provide health services to low-income women before a trial over a new law that bans state money from going to organizations tied to abortion providers.

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans lifted a federal judge's temporary injunction that called for the funding to continue pending an October trial on Planned Parenthood's challenge to the law.

State officials sought to cut off funding to Planned Parenthood clinics that provide family planning and health services to poor women as part of the Texas Women's Health Program after the state's Republican-led Legislature passed a law banning funds to organizations linked to abortion providers. No state money goes to pay for abortions.

The appeal's court decision means Texas is now free to enforce its ban on clinics affiliated with abortion providers. Planned Parenthood provides cancer screenings and other services — but not abortions — to about half of the 130,000 low-income Texas women enrolled in the program, which is designed to provide services to women who might not otherwise qualify for Medicaid.

The ruling is the latest in the ongoing fight over Texas' efforts to halt funding to clinics affiliated with abortion providers. The federal Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services has said that the new state rule violates federal law. Federal funds paid for 90 percent, or about $35 million, of the $40 million Women's Health Program until the new rule went into effect. Federal officials are now phasing out support for the program.

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In a statement, Perry called Tuesday's ruling "a win for Texas women, our rule of law and our state's priority to protect life."

"Texas will continue providing important health services for women through this program in spite of the Obama Administration's disregard for our state law and unilateral decision to defund this program," the governor said.

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Abbott cheered the decision Tuesday, noting that it "rightfully recognized that the taxpayer-funded Women's Health Program is not required to subsidize organizations that advocate for elective abortion."

"We are encouraged by today's decision and will continue to defend the Women's Health Program in court," Abbot said in a statement.

The ruling comes as conservative groups across the nation try to pass and enforce laws to put Planned Parenthood out of business and make getting an abortion more difficult. Earlier this year the same court upheld a new Texas law requiring doctors to perform a sonogram and provide women with a detailed description of the fetus before carrying out an abortion.


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