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haile73
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posted August 31, 2004 02:42 PM |
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well everyone who saw the race will have noticed that she tried to continue running several times before she finally quitted. If you start a marathon with a pace too fast for your condition & circumstances, you will die badly on the final kilometres. Maybe some people would've prefered seeing her crawling over the finish line, but I don't think that'd be appropriate, esp. if you're planning to run another race a few days later.
"Pain is nothing compared to the emptiness of quitting"
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 02:52 PM |
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It's still interesting that she gave a totally different reason for it though, as I said, she admitted that her reason was mental rather than physical, and probably had she been in a different position in the field, she would have continued. The same thing happened in the 10,000, in interviews afterwards she again said she felt that if she could not finish near the medals it wasn't worth continuing. Because of that I'd say her reasons were more mental than physical.
That might be a little harsh to criticise her, but she's been known in the past for being brave and continuing no matter what, and this time she just gave it up for according to her mental reasons.
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posted August 31, 2004 03:50 PM |
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lol
and may i ask what you base your weather influence on in sports PH?
It seems to me that you believe there is one factor that decides if you in this case complete a race or not.
And thats just stupid reasoning.
Anyone who has done any physical sport can tell the difference in doing it at +15 degrees Celsius and +30 degrees.
And then running...
for 42198 metres...
You do the math yourself if the heat is a major factor in that, as haile says... under the circumstances she made the complete right decision. Then if you wanna see a hero that struggles over the finish line then its your nationalego that has a problem.
And please stop calling my assumptions which i over and over can back that they are valid irrelevant and then yourself act like you know any reason there is. If you think running is all mental youre wrong, dead wrong.
The race itself is mainly mentally but the racetime itself is just a small part compared to your preparations.
And it kinda says itself that for example an african runner takes the heat better than in this case a brittish runner dont you think?
and i have no use to critise your intelligence, your "reasoning" does that well enough anyway 
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 04:05 PM |
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and may i ask what you base your weather influence on in sports PH?
Well since I'm not discussing that, but rather the specific two races, this is a rather pointless question. The runner herself is whom I based whether the heat or otherwise affected her in those races though 
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It seems to me that you believe there is one factor that decides if you in this case complete a race or not.
And thats just stupid reasoning.
Or as I said, the runner's own opinion
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Anyone who has done any physical sport can tell the difference in doing it at +15 degrees Celsius and +30 degrees.
And then running...
for 42198 metres...
You do the math yourself if the heat is a major factor in that, as haile says... under the circumstances she made the complete right decision. Then if you wanna see a hero that struggles over the finish line then its your nationalego that has a problem.
I appreciate that it would be harder, however given that she herself admitted to the problem being not being able to win, as opposed to being not being able to continue because of the heat, I consider that more important. I don't demand she finishes if she's not capable of it, however the nation rather expects that athletes chosen to represent us give it their best shot and that's all. She did not in my opinion. I don't have as much respect for an athlete that's there just to win it as one that will soldier on no matter what, so sue me. Do I demand it, no, but I certainly would rather support an athlete like the unkown I mentioned than someone such as radcliffe. It's a personal choice.
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And please stop calling my assumptions which i over and over can back that they are valid irrelevant and then yourself act like you know any reason there is. If you think running is all mental youre wrong, dead wrong.
I never said the heat was irrelevant, I pointed to the fact that it was not the deciding factor in her quitting and therefore is not AS relevant as her thought pattern during the race. I know that was the reason because she said so, she might have been lying I guess, but I doubt it since it the two races happened twice in two different weather conditions.
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And it kinda says itself that for example an african runner takes the heat better than in this case a brittish runner dont you think?
No **** sherlock. However, that was not the deciding factor according to her, which has been my point rather than dismissing the weather entirely.
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and i have no use to critise your intelligence, your "reasoning" does that well enough anyway
Only when you pay no attention to what I'm saying. Ironic really considering this is precisely what you accuse others of. For example, I haven't said that heat was irrelevant, I said it was not AS relevant in her reasoning. Talking about how hard it is to run in heat is very interesting, but it's hardly refuting what I'm saying.
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Sir_Stiven
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posted August 31, 2004 05:07 PM |
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lol this is funny
now listen..."sherlock", you dont think the heat would be a major reason for her not to be able to win and give up?
which kinda has been my point from the beginning...
you use so many words and yet so little reasoning.
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posted August 31, 2004 05:10 PM |
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Finally a return to normal TV scheduling!!!!
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 05:11 PM |
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Which is relevent to whether I should respect her or not how? It's obvious that for whatever cause, she mentally gave up, twice. My respect or otherwise is not based on the heat she and the others went through but on her giving up when she could have finished, even if it meant finishing nowhere near the medals. Heat has nothing to do with that respect, only to do with your argument, which is way off at a tangent from mine. Do let me know when you're on a similar wavelegnth before posting again.
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Gandalfs_Girl
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posted August 31, 2004 05:39 PM |
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Hey why dun u try pointin out the positive athletes for a change huh?
Kelly Holmes was the best for me especially beatin maria mutola who couldve at least smiled knowin her trainin partner won.
Amir Khan silver at only 17? I think he got undermarked in the final myself but still an amazing achievement for him, watch out at Beijing.
Matthew Pinsent gettin his 4th Gold, pretty impressive.
Kelly Sotherton gettin bronze i bet no1 thought she wud get.
Ben ainslie comin back from a disqualification and a beyond 15th place first day to win gold.
And more....
Ok now for my negativity. Poor James Goddard i think its wrong to tell a guy he has a bronze medal then just take it away by reinstatin the gold winner cos of "lack of information" I think they should still have to award the medals THEY messed up.
Also that british guy who interfered with the marathon, why was he even allowed to leave the country???
He has been in prison for 2 months already for runnin onto the F1 track at Silverstone and he has also been done with sex offences on a young girl! what next?
I think its safe to say the Olympics will NEVER be held in Greece again because i htink it was a total joke. I love the Olympics but i just kept turnin it off it was disgustin the decisions that were bein made, even on the first day.
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 05:44 PM |
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Hey why dun u try pointin out the positive athletes for a change huh?
Well things dragged on a little with me explaining my take one topic to someone...
And I believe I already mentioned that the British overall did really well this olympics
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posted August 31, 2004 05:45 PM |
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Oh sry i must've missed that wen i was readin how much paula sux... which in my opinion she didnt
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posted August 31, 2004 05:51 PM |
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Well we all have our own take on these things I guess
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posted August 31, 2004 06:27 PM |
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some more babbling
I found it strange how several other teams claimed that Germany's riding team should lose their gold medal. Great spirit of fairness. If riding had to do anything with sports, I might have gone mad =)
I enjoyed both 800m races & both 1500m races. Poor Wilson.
It was a bit sad to see Haile injured in his last 10000m race. Another '73er getting old hehe. Let's hope he'll be huge on the marathon distance.
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posted August 31, 2004 06:46 PM |
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i think Denmark did very well, i think we've won gold in handball the last 4 times. I think denmark got a 55 place or something on the overall report card of medals, but still.. We are a small contry, but we have the spirit of a legion. (i liked Joachim B Olsen in the metalball-throwing thingie) The only thing i watch is the metal ball thing, a BIT of rowing, and archery.
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posted August 31, 2004 10:52 PM |
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we are strong, we can lift tons of weights
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privatehudson
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posted August 31, 2004 11:32 PM |
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Also that british guy who interfered with the marathon, why was he even allowed to leave the country???
He has been in prison for 2 months already for runnin onto the F1 track at Silverstone and he has also been done with sex offences on a young girl! what next?
I hate to dissapoint you, but Country Kerry is in Ireland, not Britain, the guy is a Irish ex priest, we can't get the blame for that one  He resigned first, then returned, only to be sacked by the church for refusing to stop preaching his end of the world theories. Along the way they tried to get him to have phsychiatric (or however it's spelt) treatment also.
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posted September 01, 2004 02:14 AM |
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The judging needs to be more consistant... See the bit with the Russian gymnist? His routine kicks serious ass, yet he got a lower score than an American who did a rather average routine (I think it led to a mass protest in the spectator stands which halted competition for a few minutes).
This event is mainly what I had in mind, also.
I saw that competition [high bar] and the Russian gymnast's routine was simply amazing. His only flaw was a bit of a step on his dismount and it was no worse than any mistake made by either of the previous gymnasts.
When his score was announced the crowd literally exploded in protest. After several minutes of this the head official intervened and the 2 judges who scored him so poorly (phillipines and canada, I think) actually changed their scores.
The sad thing is the modified marks he got still placed him 3rd and he was eliminated from medal contention soon afterward.
I'm not a qualified judge by any means, but I think his routine was better than any of the other competitors' with the only exception being the gold medalist, whose routine was practically flawless.
In my opinion he was blatently ripped-off.
I should add, though, that he handled the entire situation with a huge amount of class. It was his request to the crowd to accept the ruling and calm down that ultimately got them to be quiet so that the event could continue.
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posted September 01, 2004 02:32 AM |
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In my opinion, all the sports that involve judges' subjectivity (Gymnastics, Diving) need to be seriously reviewed, or scrapped altogether. I mean, it's all a big joke with these judging fiascos.
Events like the 100m are ideal. It's pretty easy to tell who crossed first (well, not always, but they have computers and equipment for that).
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posted September 01, 2004 03:03 AM |
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I think its safe to say the Olympics will NEVER be held in Greece again because i htink it was a total joke. I love the Olympics but i just kept turnin it off it was disgustin the decisions that were bein made, even on the first day.
I would be really interested to hear why you think Greece shouldnt host the Olympics again. I think they did an excellent job, the organization and all, opening (esp. opening) and closing ceremonies were great. The only black mark was that incident on the marathon, but it had little to do with the Greek capacity to organize the games.
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haile73
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posted September 01, 2004 07:28 AM |
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The only black mark was that incident on the marathon, but it had little to do with the Greek capacity to organize the games.
_200m finals ("Kenteris Kenteris")
_little attendance on events with no Greek participants
_wind influence on rowing channel
_spectators boo-ing against opponents of Greeks (beach volleyball, diving for example)
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posted September 01, 2004 11:39 AM |
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Yaayyy...My country suxx in sports; they probably care much more on work. We probably could have won in badminton, though.
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