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valkyrica
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posted September 13, 2004 03:57 AM |
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circle version 2.0? wasn't that map created by sacred_warriors and youri? as far as i know, neither of them have died, nor have they trasferred their interests in the map to the toh maps council. perhaps the_teacher has already contacted them and asked permission to alter the map. they probably wouldn't mind. either way, the maps council should make sure before posting the revised version.
... just some friendly advice.
-Laelth
exam period must be approaching for law school, laelth is practicing his "closing statements" on us 
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted September 13, 2004 11:11 AM |
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off topic
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circle version 2.0? wasn't that map created by sacred_warriors and youri? as far as i know, neither of them have died, nor have they trasferred their interests in the map to the toh maps council. perhaps the_teacher has already contacted them and asked permission to alter the map. they probably wouldn't mind. either way, the maps council should make sure before posting the revised version.
... just some friendly advice.
-Laelth
ohh , lalet.. is this sounds like a sabotage?
i'll tell you a short story. in our country (for instance), in order to protect the internal automobile industry , the government decided to apply extra taxes for importing cars, even from europe. and definetelly, some of them, at the same price (without taxes), are obviously superior as performance and fiability to our "creations" . what do you think about that? who would you defend in case of a virtual trial? as i figured it out so far your decision might be quite unpredictable, so both should have their chances to have you as their representant, if you know what i mean .... depends on the ...your "time"
have a nice day
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted September 13, 2004 11:58 AM |
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Now that was really offtopic 
Arangar
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted September 13, 2004 01:45 PM |
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HEY! TEACHER! LEAVE OUR MAPS ALONE!
original footage from the famous 'Trial of the living dead mapmakers' back in 60's.. will history repeat!?
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Laelth
Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
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posted September 13, 2004 02:06 PM |
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Edited By: Laelth on 13 Sep 2004
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lol, insa.
the_teacher: i doubt there will be a virtual trial on this issue, but, even if there were, i couldn't represent bost sides because that would pose a "conflict of interest" problem (can't faithfully represent both sides at the same time). and i'm not really trying to represent sacred_warriors and youri, either. i'm trying to offer my opinion to the toh maps council. i think the maps council should get approval from mapmakers before altering maps and posting them for tournament use. how hard would it be, really, to just send sacred_warriors and youri an e-mail asking them if they mind? in fact, i'm not sure that you haven't done that already (as i mentioned above). it's not like anybody is likely to get sued over this. it's a matter of ettiquette. it's polite to ask.
and, besides. haven't we played circle enough, already? why not try to revise some of the maps that haven't been played as much? we need variety, not more of the same.
btw, eldorado promises to be much better after the changes you've made. good work!
-Laelth
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted September 13, 2004 02:47 PM |
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why those maps? simply . because the rest of the MAPS are belonging to you, jinxer, blue camel and insatiable.
after this cold shower, im almost scared to even open in editor the maps of the first three to avoid the possibility to save it accidentally and displace a tree or some bushes by chance and then, suddenly, to be cursed that i interferred without notice, not even for my personal use. so i'll keep myself away from any temptation or curiosity regarding these maps.
insatiable proved to be more open to suggestions, i guess because he played more and "feels" better the way the game can be influenced by some changes (minor or major), knowing, also, that my advices won't ruin at all his merit of being the 100% author of the map, cause i'm not aiming to see my name written where is not belongging. more of this, i guess players that are interested in someone's work , and spend some time to improve what they once liked , bring pleasure to the mapmaker who sees his efforts fullfilled.
i do believe they won't mind (sacred and youri) for my initiative, regardless i'm still waiting for their answer.
if though ill get negative from their part, considering your (including some other) position too (regarding the copyrights for a non-profit action) i think ill drop it dead. don't like to fight the windmils, im not doing this only for myself.
rest my case
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CMEPTb
Adventuring Hero
Little Angel Of Death
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posted September 13, 2004 03:31 PM |
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Edited By: CMEPTb on 13 Sep 2004
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i have here a list of changes for first 2 maps
Eldorado v1.6
All ok 
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Circle of Life v2.0
Most sounds good, but...
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replaced one tree of knowledge with a learning stone
Which?
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replaced the lord level 8 from prison with a barbarian level 7 having expert nobility and advanced scouting skill
He will be good guildmaster.
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the outside tavern replaced with a group of joining (linked) creatures
Army power will be lesser, but Order and Death always bought Barbarian there and with new guildmasters he will pretty good. But without combat hero Order and Death have a good chanses to loose a game.
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purse quest changed -> 4000gold for returning the purse
access to goldmine(guarded by monsters level 3) free
Why? I think purse quest must be following: when you had compleated quest, oppenents cannot get your mine. Without additional changes! It's authors idea.
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seamanship skill banned
What about steals? And Charm isn't good skill... And its ban helps to making Order-magic heroes.
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increased/tuned up the strength of the monsters guarding goodies
Which and where they are placed?
Now, i'm trying to find authors...
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csarmi
Supreme Hero
gets back
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posted September 13, 2004 03:38 PM |
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Regarding this Guildmaster, won't he cause morale problems? Or that's part of the plan?
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted September 13, 2004 04:12 PM |
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hehe russains with their "must have a barby" ideas
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slayer
whos your daddy and what does he do?
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UndeadLord
Known Hero
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posted September 13, 2004 04:34 PM |
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Laelth not everyone has played much Circle So it would be good to update it too for some new players for example. Maybe you and me and many other player have played it much but not everyone.
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted September 13, 2004 04:52 PM |
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i have here a list of changes for first 2 maps
Eldorado v1.6
All ok
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Circle of Life v2.0
Most sounds good, but...
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replaced one tree of knowledge with a learning stone
Which?
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the one close to 3rd town
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replaced the lord level 8 from prison with a barbarian level 7 having expert nobility and advanced scouting skill
He will be good guildmaster.
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he COULD be a guilmaster. do not forget he's already level 7 with basic melee with nob skills and adv scout so would be rather difficult to turn him either into a killing machine or a too dangerous guildmaster. but main idea is to help barb too and be a weapon against gm resist, a light one.
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the outside tavern replaced with a group of joining (linked) creatures
Army power will be lesser, but Order and Death always bought Barbarian there and with new guildmasters he will pretty good. But without combat hero Order and Death have a good chanses to loose a game.
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this is what i try to avoid, the powerful alignements like order and death to have additional combat heroes (very easy to develop). its a matter of balance.
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purse quest changed -> 4000gold for returning the purse
access to goldmine(guarded by monsters level 3) free
Why? I think purse quest must be following: when you had compleated quest, oppenents cannot get your mine. Without additional changes! It's authors idea.
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i have only a proposal regarding this matter. i thought it could be useful in the start , and maybe , when you need it more, it can be traded in for some cash. about the mine , why to make it complicate if people wants it simplier. mine is there , could be taken when you are ready to kill those level 3. so it will annoying for you maybe to make a detour to recover it could ruin the schedule . can give other solution though
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seamanship skill banned
What about steals? And Charm isn't good skill... And its ban helps to making Order-magic heroes.
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if i ban stealth thief will have a too fast development like any other hero to gm path. let it be the fate choice to give or not the desired skill on levelling up. it's the issue that i dot like to deep kick, taking scouting altars blindly wiht no risk .
for same reason charm and summonship will remain.
i dont want a too accelerated game
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increased/tuned up the strength of the monsters guarding goodies
Which and where they are placed?
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besides the green player's army that i mentioned above, all the creatures guarding majors have been strengthened up
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Now, i'm trying to find authors...
good luck
have a nice day
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Laelth
Famous Hero
Laelth rhymes with stealth.
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posted September 13, 2004 04:59 PM |
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teach: sorry, man. didn't mean to upset you. you did the right thing and asked the authors for permission, as i suspected. that's good enough for me.
undead: i have some bad memories on circle. perhaps that's why i don't want to play it anymore. and sure, 99% of the population of the earth has not played it. it's still one of the two or three most played maps on the toh maps page. there are a number of maps out there (by various authors, not just me, jinx, insa, and camel) that could be revised. circle would be my last choice. but, as he rightly notes, teach is revising it because people want it revised. nothing wrong with that, ultimately (so long as the authors are OK with it).
-Laelth
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CMEPTb
Adventuring Hero
Little Angel Of Death
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posted September 13, 2004 05:09 PM |
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hehe russains with their "must have a barby" ideas
hehehe, i can't imagine this maps without combat hero. Let's play Iron Man, i can show you much barby
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csarmi
Supreme Hero
gets back
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posted September 13, 2004 07:01 PM |
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I have played only one single game on Circle and guess what - that is the only game I have lost :-)
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted September 13, 2004 08:10 PM |
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next war cmetb next war
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slayer
whos your daddy and what does he do?
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CMEPTb
Adventuring Hero
Little Angel Of Death
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posted September 13, 2004 09:03 PM |
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I have to say again
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replaced one tree of knowledge with a learning stone
the one close to 3rd town
I think it's isn't good, cause it's making good tactic to get 3rd town first, second go to the underground and at last attack opponent. May be replace underground tree?
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replaced the lord level 8 from prison with a barbarian level 7 having expert nobility and advanced scouting skill
he COULD be a guilmaster.
I think he can be a good hero ,
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the outside tavern replaced with a group of joining (linked) creatures
this is what i try to avoid, the powerful alignements like order and death to have additional combat heroes (very easy to develop). its a matter of balance.
Heh, i always think that order and death are weakest alignments on Circle. Let's play to find the trueth!
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about the mine... can give other solution though
May be free gold mine is good, may be first or second level guard will be good. But nothing changes. I don't like much changes. Only eliminate quest error with stealing...
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i dont want a too accelerated game
You. But other players?
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted September 14, 2004 09:43 AM |
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especially for you cmeptb, i am thinkng to remove all the trees of knowlegde and make 3rd town very hard to get, you gave me some ideas .
i will try it today
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted September 14, 2004 10:08 AM |
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Heh, i always think that order and death are weakest alignments on Circle. Let's play to find the trueth!
Hard to say what was weakest (order was a strong candidate here -> no combat hero and no easy path + slow moving lvl 4s). However, it's easy to figure out what the strongest town was
With Mod the combat hero does not matter that much... but it remains to be seen how that affects town-balance (haven't played circle in ages)
I tried 3 druids once.......... 
Arangar
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csarmi
Supreme Hero
gets back
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posted September 14, 2004 11:00 AM |
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Which one was the strongest?
Teach me!
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted September 14, 2004 12:11 PM |
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Which one was the strongest?
Teach me!
the ranger and russians
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