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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted October 01, 2004 01:50 AM |
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your both liars 
can't stay awayas for map masters i think maps should be
IP , PS , circle , dog days , DZ , or tron
got to think of things that people played alot and can be masters at
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whos your daddy and what does he do?
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted October 01, 2004 08:39 AM |
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I disagree with you Jinxer on several points (not bashing, just having a conversation).
1. Depending on who i play against i'd eliminate a variety of 2 map combos (i.e. against cmeptb or hoher i'd eliminate circle and dz)
2. Powerspot, Giant Maze and Circle of life are totally different, the only thing that makes them the "same style" is being different than ip or dz (so i guess we have about 60-70 same style maps)
3. " So ultimately there is no choice really" <--- very narrow-headed statement since you have to choose from 5 different maps, totally different (the only two maps that are pretty close in "tactics" are dz and ip, the ones "i'd reject" because they're not in my "comfort zone")
4. The only thing you're trying to say is that only IP and DZ are worthy of tournament play, any other maps are cheesy ways to get points.
5. Please don't insult the "Caesar material" players, any of those registered could beat you on any map giving you a week head start (even your own maps). Before criticizing other people's abilities, try looking at yours first.
6. No, this is not a Jinxer bash session, in fact, the only one doing the bashing in here is you, insulting players and mapmakers alike
7. Vesuvius' way is not the best one for a tournament like Caesar, might be for clans or something else, but for a "best of the best" kind of tournament you have to have some boundaries. If players agree from start to a map from the selected 5 (or whatever the number of maps will be [7,9, ...]) then it's fine, if not, they can still eliminate the ones they absolutely hate to play on.
If Ves chooses map, then there will be a series of bad scenarios :
a) map chosen favors one of the two (i.e. 40 games played vs. 1 game played on that particular map)
b) map doesn't favor anyone, but one or both players hate playing on it (what would be the point of playing heroes if you're not enjoying the 8-10 hrs ?)
c) as Ves doesn't have an extensive multiplayer experience, he can choose maps that have bugs, that are too fast or ones that are plainly bad.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted October 01, 2004 10:21 AM |
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Ahh, but I have massive campaign and single player map experience lol. Just played one of the campaign missions from the expansion pack yesterday.
Anyways, hopefully we will have minimal dispute issues on both homm3 and homm4 sides and get some good games
But in the end, there is only one Casear.
I hope Valkyrica doesnt get it again, because it will ruin the tables of the rankings page. Two of those medals are too big for the page, messing up the alignment
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CMEPTb
Adventuring Hero
Little Angel Of Death
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posted October 01, 2004 11:04 AM |
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1. Depending on who i play against i'd eliminate a variety of 2 map combos (i.e. against cmeptb or hoher i'd eliminate circle and dz)
Mmm, good choice, let's play Eldorado
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted October 01, 2004 03:02 PM |
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5. Please don't insult the "Caesar material" players, any of those registered could beat you on any map giving you a week head start (even your own maps). Before criticizing other people's abilities, try looking at yours first.
6. No, this is not a Jinxer bash session, in fact, the only one doing the bashing in here is you, insulting players and mapmakers alike
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I have no doubt that they could probably beat me on any map, I have never claimed to be a great player. But I bet I could hang a heck of alot better and atleast give them some challange on a more balanced playing field. My Grandma could win a battle of 14 angels vs. 3 FireBirds etc. My point is alot of you guys strive to play and exploit the maps that you can manipulate and run the maps to a flawless degree and suprise your opponent catching them so off guard that the final battle is soo unbalanced that it isnt even a fight. As I said my 6 year old could win a game that way.... I would think that players with your so called " Skill " would be hungry to win a somewhat balanced battle. And I dont mean exactly even down to the hit points.
Ultimately it doesnt matter to me cause I am no longer playing in TOH. ( On sebatical until H5 ). But Valky DONT try and feed all your normal crap to us. You cant expect us to believe that you would EVER choose Imperial Prison as a map to play?!!! And since we all know you never would, why would you suggest that it be on the list? So it appears like you are wanting a variety of maps? lol
Your attitude Valky has just re-enforced my desire to leave H4 and TOH, amoung many other game factors, players like you and your attitude and EGO have poisened the integrity of TOH and H4. Not like the good ol' Simyar days.
Jinxer
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valkyrica
Supreme Hero
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posted October 01, 2004 04:47 PM |
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Quote:
I have no doubt that they could probably beat me on any map, I have never claimed to be a great player. But I bet I could hang a heck of alot better and atleast give them some challange on a more balanced playing field. My Grandma could win a battle of 14 angels vs. 3 FireBirds etc. My point is alot of you guys strive to play and exploit the maps that you can manipulate and run the maps to a flawless degree and suprise your opponent catching them so off guard that the final battle is soo unbalanced that it isnt even a fight. As I said my 6 year old could win a game that way.... I would think that players with your so called " Skill " would be hungry to win a somewhat balanced battle. And I dont mean exactly even down to the hit points.
Ultimately it doesnt matter to me cause I am no longer playing in TOH. ( On sebatical until H5 ). But Valky DONT try and feed all your normal crap to us. You cant expect us to believe that you would EVER choose Imperial Prison as a map to play?!!! And since we all know you never would, why would you suggest that it be on the list? So it appears like you are wanting a variety of maps? lol
Your attitude Valky has just re-enforced my desire to leave H4 and TOH, amoung many other game factors, players like you and your attitude and EGO have poisened the integrity of TOH and H4. Not like the good ol' Simyar days.
Jinxer
First of all, what you call a balanced battle, is after everyone "clears their side and recruits everything" and are ready. That is not part of heroes, not part of any other game, and if you want to relate to real life, it sure wasn't part of any battle. (i guess if you play chess and you lose your queen, you'll start crying that's it's unbalanced now, why did i take it, right?)
Second of all, i have played imperial prison, and i may play it again, right now it's too long for me to even consider as i only have 2 free hours a day.
"You cant expect us to believe that you would EVER choose Imperial Prison as a map to play?!!! And since we all know you never would, why would you suggest that it be on the list?"
I don't really know who's the "us" and "we" you're talking about, i'm afraid you stand alone on this one Jinx, you're the only one that believes this is a conspiracy against him (unlike Mel Gibson who was actually right in that movie)
"Not like the good ol' Simyar days."
Maybe people liked you back then because you weren't whining as much (although i don't really see how that could've ever happened). I'm sorry I (or anyone else here in toh for that matter, be it h3 or h4) don't embrace your opinions.
"On sebatical until H5"
What do you expect from Heroes 5 ? A miracle ? A game where 2 players have to click a "ready" button so they can fight ? It's gonna be a strategy game ultimately, and since you lack strategy, but make it up with your complaining about other people's skills, i'm afraid it'll be the same as heroes 4.
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted October 01, 2004 05:18 PM |
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man is ON fire 
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted October 01, 2004 05:44 PM |
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few more comments..
jinx..
im not sure yet if your attitude is a negative one, cause on the other hand, it spurts some forum activity
valk..
is that a 'sharp conciousness' crisis you having!?
**totally agree with your idea of a map selection method, however there still has to be an agreement in the end, cause both my suggest (or exclude) totally different maps
if both players hasve the correct fairplay stance to eachother.. such an 'elimination' method to select map will occur without having to use a formula
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tyler
Known Hero
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posted October 01, 2004 06:49 PM |
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Since I'm 1 of the 11 (by now) I suport the "elimination method" and i think Ves or anyone else choosing random map is not a good ideea...
Without such a method i dont even wanna think about how hard is gonna be to agree on a map....
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Sir, we are surrounded! Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 01, 2004 07:28 PM |
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Once again you dropped the ball Valky.
No where did I say you had to click a ready button. Or did I say you had to clear your entire side and everything before fighting. I never clear my entire side on any map. Even Imperial Prison.
And there are many many many more that share my opinions but there is only a very small percentage that actually visit this board. So because there opinions are heard doesnt mean they dont exsist.
If you notice every single map I have ever made, in H3 and in H4 have been OPEN and CLOSED style. And NONE of the maps do you have to clear your ENTIRE side before fighting. You just use that as a defensive arguement to make your bashing agasint me hold more weight.
And I am glad you used CHESS in your example. Cause it shows how silly you are. Chess is a perfect example of how I desire heroes to be. Chess is a strategy game yet is 100% balanced. Each side gets equal amount of turns and can only move exact same distance each time. One side cannot memorize a pattern and then take 3 turns to my 1 to get ahead in the game faster. Each moves at the same speed through out game. The goal is to out think your opponent and his next moves etc.
Here is an analogy.. if we were to have a chess game and equate it to your version of heroes Valky.
** You would have 2 identical chess boards.. I would be on 1 chess board and you on the other. The game starts... now imagine that each player is allowed to move there pieces as fast as they want without waiting on there opponent to make there move. I may make 4 moves to your 10 moves simply cause you have a preplanned formula of attack. So you are faster at picking pieces up and setting them down and so on. While I havent planned my moves out so I must think and plan as I go. So you move 15-20 times to my 4-5 moves. Then Bam! Check mate! That is the proper way to equate CHess to Your version of heroes. That is NOT strategy. That is formulating - Preplanning - mastering - exploiting maps.
This is the challenge I put forth to Ubisoft with Heroes 5. Make a game where strategy and thinking are more vital then who can master and formulate the fastest path to beat the map. That racing stuff is great if your playing Warcraft and a real time game.
And yes I did get a whole lot more respect back in the Simyar H3 days. And I still get plenty of respect now, just doesnt appear as such because there are only a select few that visit this board and many players are the type that dont voice there opinions. Trust me not getting respect from you Valky is no big deal I wont lose any sleep over it. You are the same type of person as AndiAngelSlayer and MotorSchaaf. You are threatened by my opinions and afraid of possibility of change to the degree that you go into defensive mode and start bashing me and my ideas, to discredit me in hopes that your little way of life remains exactly the same.
Well guess what you can have it how ever you want I am out. Noone to threaten your little race games. But you need to ask your self if Heroes 4 is soo great and playing Fixed maps 1000 times and never accepting new concepts of maps is the " Right path " for Heroes, then where are all the players going? Players have been disappearing and Heroes4 Community is getting smaller and smaller... and yet you and your EGO and your followers, hold on tight to the concept that your way is the best way. Its obvious that the majority of people ( the ones who dont post here ) have gotten bored and moved on. Even the great Arangar has retired.
The tourny is ALLL yours now the Great Valky, mold whats left into what ever you like. LMAO
Jinxer
p.s. @ Insatiable
My attitude has never been negative towards TOH itself. My attitude is negative to people like Valky and there attitude. I am the type of person who gives what I get.
Have a nice day.
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted October 01, 2004 07:41 PM |
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Jinxer!!
Sorry ol' chap!
You picked the wrong girl to accuse!!
Valkyrica is the one and only in toh who would play ANY MAP NO MATTER WHAT!!!
Now go cry like a baby OR try to realize that you attacked maybe the ONLY player in toh who would play under ANY condition.
You almost pissed me off there
Arangar
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Norwegian viking
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted October 01, 2004 07:46 PM |
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oh and btw
I heard some crazy theory the other day
The first will be the last, and the last will be the first..
I wonder who it will be 
Arangar
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 01, 2004 08:10 PM |
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Valkyrica is the one and only in toh who would play ANY MAP NO MATTER WHAT!!!
Arangar
Hmm then why is he complaining about the possibility that Ves might have to choose a map lol?!
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted October 01, 2004 08:17 PM |
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I guess we have tainted him
And to be honest.. every game I've played with him I have chosen map (any map). And every time I have tried to pick one were we are equally strong (and failed)
He does it on behalf of his brother and those such as me, for sure.
Arangar
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Norwegian viking
ranger of the north
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 01, 2004 08:30 PM |
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Apology accepted Arangar.
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted October 01, 2004 08:33 PM |
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me to arangar
valky would play any map i offer
hes the only 1 to do that
i have tried almost every map of every style
and of course i find some i like and are fun to play
why wouldn't i want to play those?
have no fun for 8 hours or have fun for 8 hours
big choice there
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whos your daddy and what does he do?
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted October 01, 2004 08:34 PM |
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he is scientifically to the point about 'ves choice' issue.. that cannot be a complain
.. eventhough i like ves choice .. valk is right.
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Arangar
Famous Hero
Weak ranger - lost viking
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posted October 01, 2004 08:37 PM |
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Let's not overdo the valky-praise though.
We'll never hear the end of it 
P.S: Balcough made perfect sense for once.. someone screenshot that post before it disappears
Arangar
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted October 01, 2004 08:50 PM |
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Edited By: Jinxer on 24 Oct 2004
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Kewl H4 should start growing in popularity then, now that Jinxer is gone. You guys can keep everything just the way it is, have FUN playing same maps over and over, and next years Ceasar you can assign the same 5 maps and do the Ceasar tourny again. I am glad I can be a part of boosting the popularity and growth of player base for Heroes simply by stepping aside. Its a worthy sacrifice then. Lose one to gain many many!
btw Balcough I have to finish my clan match with you and Ganzuibus and then I can be outta you guys and your clicks hair until H5. So sooner we can set a date to finish the better. E-mail me when your able.
Jinxer
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balcough_dra...
Supreme Hero
unlucky? i want to pump you up
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posted October 01, 2004 09:45 PM |
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yeah sorry jinxer
had huirrcans
no power for 1 week
been very busy cleaning up after it and making minor repairs to house
be on to finish as soon as i possibly can
i always have 1 hour or so but i wouldn't even bother to come
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whos your daddy and what does he do?
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