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Ivan
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posted November 02, 2010 11:22 AM |
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Well, if you're not introducing a new war machine, you should at least change the Ammo Cart's looks - leave it with the same effect (infinite ammo for shooters), but give it a fururistic look that fits all the other inovations that come with the Forge's technology.
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Moks_Pokemon
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posted November 02, 2010 02:23 PM |
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The name could be Plasma Generator (or What-ever-the-golbins-are-shooting-with Generator)
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Hobbit
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posted November 02, 2010 03:26 PM |
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Look at this one. http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/screenshots/gs/strategy/herochron/herochron_screen004.jpg Conflux heroes don't have normal horses. This horse is made from earth and hair on its neck is replaced with fire. So it looks like magma horse.
Ok. But it has normal horse's shape anyway. And I think cybernetic horse wouldn't be like a normal horse - e.g. there won't be any hair.
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Well, if you're not introducing a new war machine, you should at least change the Ammo Cart's looks - leave it with the same effect (infinite ammo for shooters), but give it a fururistic look that fits all the other inovations that come with the Forge's technology.
I think that would be a great handicap - Forge shooters immune to Armo Cart's ability. 
But still - what war machine should be there if not a new one?
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Titan_of_Ether
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posted November 02, 2010 06:51 PM |
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For the horse you could do something similar to Mother 3's early chimeras. [url=http://walkthrough.starmen.net/mother3/image/enemies/reconstructedcaribou.png]Example[/url]
An idea for the Forge's war machine could be a shield generator. This would give all units a combined Air Shield and Shield effect.
Or you could go with a transporter, allowing you to teleport a single unit per turn.
Thirdly you could go with a distortion field projector. It randomly casts quicksand or land mine at the start of battle.
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Hobbit
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posted November 02, 2010 07:53 PM |
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Chimeras as horses? No, really, thanks.
War machine... It must be something original. What about some kind of generator that gives immunity to all negative spells for some time? IMO it fits in town's character.
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SubArrin
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posted November 02, 2010 08:49 PM |
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All towns has the same war machines! If one machine can give ammo for elves, beholders and lichs I think it can give plasma for forge units 
I'm sure, if forge were in AB it wouldn't have diffrent war machine for example because of game mechanic (game engine?).
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Moks_Pokemon
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posted November 02, 2010 09:57 PM |
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Well, I suppose they'll still be riding horses. However, with the technology advanced enough to produce blasters, jetpacks etc., seeing them on horsebacks would be wierd, to say the least.
Also, there's another issue: the war machine. The only officially released information was that the Forge's Blacksmith would be producing a new, unique war machine (makes sense, but the building's name still being "blacksmith" makes no sense). However, no information was released regading the specifics, name, or functioning of this machine. This gives Don and the team freedom to chose whatever they like, but I'd like us to have an opportunity to voice our opinions, like we did for the level 7 creature.
Now, regarding the Forge heroes, their classes originally were Cyborg (might) and Technician (magic). I don't know if this will be changed, or not.
Read the previous posts before posting/replying, at LEAST on the same page
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OFF TOPIC:
The site is not allowing me an avatar, saying that it has been reserved (e.g. Cepheus) but 8 people are using it...
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Ivan
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posted November 02, 2010 11:46 PM |
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Moks_Pokemon, what's your point? What I wrote, especially what you copied in bold wasn't in any previous comment. Following the same pattern of "criticism", why are you posting the already posted web adress for the site with the original Forge graphics?
Hobbit, why do you think changing the Ammo Cart's looks for the Forge would be a handicap? How exactly would it render Forge troops immune to its abillity?
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Titan_of_Ether
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posted November 03, 2010 04:01 AM |
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@ Hobbit - I didn't mean an actual chimera, but a concept similar to Mother 3's mechanical chimera creations. Mother 3 had two types of chimeras, mechanical and biological. Biological chimeras were two or more species combined into a single creature like the [url=http://walkthrough.starmen.net/mother3/image/enemies/cattlesnake.png]Cattlesnake[/url], while mechanical chimeras were a single creature that had been cut up and had parts replaced like the [url=http://walkthrough.starmen.net/mother3/image/enemies/mecha-drago.png]Mecha Drago[/url]. What I was suggesting was basically partially mechanical horses.
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Moks_Pokemon
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posted November 03, 2010 08:54 AM |
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Nevermind... 
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Hobbit
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posted November 03, 2010 05:37 PM |
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Hobbit, why do you think changing the Ammo Cart's looks for the Forge would be a handicap? How exactly would it render Forge troops immune to its abillity?
You did not understand me at all. Maybe I messed up something.
I meant that Forge units would use some kind of other ammo that would be "immune" to Ammo Cart's ability. That means they could have no unlimited ammo. And that would be great and logical handicap - blasters are VERY strong, but they are very limited.
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Ivan
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posted November 03, 2010 06:57 PM |
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at too: although the game's programming would give every shooter unlimited ammo if the cart is present, the thought of the old, medieval wooden cart carrying energy clips and stinger missiles is plain ridiculous. That's why I suggested that the cart's looks be changed, if nothing else.
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don_komandorr
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posted November 03, 2010 07:37 PM |
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Blasters are not limited (Goblins are limited )
And they're pretty weak. I mean Foot soldiers will be equal to upg. Elves in terms of damage (but still a bit weaker). They and their blasters are strong enough to kill low tier creatures (As Kastore killed goblin in Evil Ending video) But for high tier creatures blasters are not so dangerous - crusader's armor, for example, can reflect blaster Bolt , so It's logical when Goblin can't kill crusader.
And there will be no sense to have Cart in Blacksmith witch will not affect on the army. I see no problem in filling it with rockets and batteries for blasters. Actually, Elite Stingers (Upg of Stingers) will have something about 2 or 3 rockets for the battle, so they desperately need ammo cart. 
PS - here is concept art (by Agar6) of jump-troopers, but in real they will be different.
PSS - changing of ammo cart graphics isn't a good idea, because it's unreal to point when it should look like Forge's cart and when like usual. Example - We have bought a hero in tavern and Give him Inferno army. So,,, because it's a forge hero, should be ammo cart modern? Answer - No. And here is a technical difficulty.
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Salamandre
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Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted November 03, 2010 07:43 PM |
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To add a new ammo cart there is only one way, the forge should come with its own scripts.
Possible:
Check if any shooter from forge is present. If yes, then:
Change a battle obstacle to the new ammo cart look
Check at the start of each battle the obstacle present and remove the one which looks as the new ammo cart (ERM does not say if we can get !!BF:O?y1/?y2)
Place the ammo cart in the empty squares near the hero (outside the grid)
If ammo present, modify the number of shoots
The downside is that the new ammocart will not have HP, so may lead to abuse.
I already did this in Atlantis so the team equipped with Machine guns had a box of ammunition instead of wooden ammo cart. Without scripts, there is no reason to speculate, the ammo cart has only one def, hence it can not variate from a faction to another.
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Hobbit
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posted November 03, 2010 08:23 PM |
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And they're pretty weak. I mean Foot soldiers will be equal to upg. Elves in terms of damage (but still a bit weaker). They and their blasters are strong enough to kill low tier creatures (As Kastore killed goblin in Evil Ending video) But for high tier creatures blasters are not so dangerous - crusader's armor, for example, can reflect blaster Bolt , so It's logical when Goblin can't kill crusader.
And there's a quote that I heard from one of Might and Magic fanatics some time ago (as I understood it's from MM6 and it's said by some dragon slayer - I don't know, I didn't play this):
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Long ago I found an old weapon that fired sunlight and could kill almost anything I used it against. I kill so many dragons, it got to be routine. I could shoot them of the sky like big, slow ducks.
It doesn't mean that it could be a weak weapon.
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And there will be no sense to have Cart in Blacksmith witch will not affect on the army. I see no problem in filling it with rockets and batteries for blasters. Actually, Elite Stingers (Upg of Stingers) will have something about 2 or 3 rockets for the battle, so they desperately need ammo cart.
That was just my idea. And I didn't say that Ammo Cart should be in Blacksmith - it would make no sense as you said.
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Why does it stink HoMM5 for me?
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Alustor
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ooo da :)
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posted November 03, 2010 09:35 PM |
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the concept is great
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revolut1oN
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posted November 03, 2010 09:54 PM |
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@Hobbit
Probably because everything stinks for u
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OxFEA
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feanor on DF2.ru
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posted November 03, 2010 10:30 PM |
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the forge should come with its own scripts
No way for scripts.
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Hobbit
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posted November 04, 2010 01:11 PM |
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Probably because everything stinks for u
Wow! That's awesome! Never thought in that way.
But really - isn't this minotaur just a little bit too... heavy? Just look:
 
Ok, I know that he must be muscled to take all this stuff on him... but he isn't just muscled - he looks like he's big! Ok, maybe that's just my impression and in game it would look better...
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don_komandorr
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posted November 04, 2010 02:08 PM |
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Please ReAD carefully - I sad, that minos will look different. Not like this.
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