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posted November 13, 2006 12:55 AM |
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Thou SHALT NOT.
Consis, dun get too paranoid that Barack will over-focus on a single race. One of the things most admirable about him is that he is a very egalitarian-minded individual.
Once again, I must remind you that you are training on one recent interview, by a woman who focused the interview on African issues. I have never heard Obama mention Africa but once or twice in the hours of dialogue I've heard from him in other contexts.
Bush has made many a speech about AIDS and I never saw or heard you or anyone afraid that he would train in on gay rights after one of them.
Do a little research and you will see that the man has taken positions on virtually any issue you might consider a critical political concern.
No wait -- let me get you started (since I know you tend not to follow that particular suggestion once you've made up your mind on something... 
-- BUT FIRST ---
(I can't get these to play but I have no doubt they're all good. Lots on the web about his appearance on the Daily Show...)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8467678942033070143
Okay, now the research:
Obama on the War in Iraq:
Obama on American oil dependency:
More on oil dependency:
Obama on illegal detention of alleged enemy combatants:
Obama -- more on constitutionality and the suspension of Habeus Corpus:
Obama on stem cell research:
Obama on global warming:
And lastly, but mostly
[url=http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060614-remarks_of_senator_barack_obama_take_back_america/index.html]the text of Obama's "Take Back America" speech:[/url]
Now if you walk away from this post thinking "I wonder what he thinks about XYZ issue.." then GO GOOGLE IT AND FIND OUT. He's pretty prolific. If you look you'll probably find something.
EDIT-by-Lith: fixed links
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posted November 29, 2006 03:45 AM |
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Retired General Wesley Clark?
I'm afraid not General Clark. You lost my support when Madonna went public for you. You might be appealing to some upper class ivy-educated elite socialites, but not me buddy. If you want my vote, you'll need to define yourself anew and stay the heck away from crafty filthy rich superstars like Madonna. She's nothing but trouble unless you want to raise money for some kind of foundation. The only thing she's good at is generating hype, buzz, and attention all to herself.
I didn't buy that stunt she pulled with the African child, not for an instant.
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posted November 29, 2006 09:00 PM |
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Well . . .
Say goodbye to Bill Frist. He says he's not running. Poor fella couldn't handle the pressure.
And . . . Colin Powell says Iraq is in a civil war. I'm thinking he knows what he's talking about.
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posted November 30, 2006 06:25 PM |
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Add Another Democrat:
Tom Vilsack, Governor of Ohio. I know virtually nothing about this person. It will be interesting to see what he is like.
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posted November 30, 2006 07:41 PM |
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I didn't even know this thread existed. Cool.
I've always enjoyed studying and learning Government and Civics. US and World History were two of my favorite classes in High school while American Government was an easy 4.0 in College.
I admit that when Bush first got into office I was not only surprised but a bit appalled that our system worked in the manner that it did. Choosing the the guy who won the popular vote was kind of what I figured they would do. Guess I was wrong. Also, I had more hope in the workings of our Government due to the fact that I was a bit naive about how things really work. I thought that even though he technically didn't win the election (with his speeches on the infamous "lockbox". Yes I remember that.) that the checks and balances in place would keep him from doing something too crazy. I also kept telling myself that the President really didn't run the show. Congress would keep him on a leash. Guess I was wrong again.
Something I thought was funny but true excerpted from America: The Book which was released before the 2004 elections.
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With Texas tamed, Bush turned his eyes to the Oval Office. The 2000 election was quintessential Bush. He lost the popular vote thus winning the Presidency. In just four years, President Bush has streamlined our bloated job market, tossed over the unnecessary list of National Allies, and insured that our military doesn't become bored and complacent. He is widely expected to lose this election, serve a second term, and be named Emperor in 2008.
Now I would like to take a moment to bring up what Consis said earlier:
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And I'm very sorry to say that I didn't even read the information presented to me in my ballot. I was so incensed that I bubbled in every democrat that I could find. I want our soldiers to come home no matter what.
I agree with this yet at the same time I don't. I understand the point of voting for every visible Democrat based on the fact that Bush is republican and the thought that all republicans think alike. I have never thought that a candidate is only what his party makes him (meaning I don't believe that they are all mindless robots or puppets if you will).
I couldn't stand our Democratic Governor due to the way she was driving Michigan's economy into the ground yet she was re-elected because of her party. Everyone I asked said "better to vote for the lesser evil"
Yeah. Sure.
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posted November 30, 2006 10:31 PM |
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Tom Vilsack is governor of Iowa, not Ohio, Consis. And he doesn't stand a chance of winning the nomination. The only way I can see him having a chance is if Hillary Clinton and Obama both die somehow. Or commit political suicide like Kerry did, which is almost the same as dying.
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posted December 01, 2006 05:25 AM |
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Ha!
As I said . . . I know absolutely nothing about Vilsack.
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posted December 01, 2006 06:37 AM |
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You know he's running for president. 
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Senator Brownback? From Kansas?
"Senator Brownback filed his exploratory papers today, and he looks forward to traveling around the country to spread a conservative message,".
Brownback, who often speaks about Ronald Reagan ideals, is expected to try and appeal to social conservatives in his party if he fully commits to a White House run. Brownback is an anti-abortion rights lawmaker, who has also led the fight against human cloning. The Kansas Republican has also been a leading voice against the genocide in Sudan.
"I have decided, after much prayerful consideration, to consider a bid for the Republican nomination for the presidency," Brownback said in a letter posted on a website that was launched to coincide with the opening of his exploratory committee.
Brownback was first elected to the Senate in 1996 to fill the two remaining years of retired Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole's, R-Kansas, term. He won re-election with 65% of the vote in 1998 and a second full term with 69% in 2004.
I don't know about the rest of you but I certainly don't want another religious fanatic for president. I'm a christian . . . I still don't want our president going off to pray for the right decision. It gives me a sick feeling as I wonder what the heck our president would really be praying for. Too many times has history taught us that religion cannot be the decisive force in leading a nation. The United States of America is not a theocracy!
. . . well at least it isn't in MY opinion . . . LoL, what the heck would I know about such a thing . . .
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Ok I've Got It!
In the year 2008 when Hillary Clinton becomes president . . . . I will officially decide to pursue a coveted spot at the round table of Heroes Community moderators. Another Clinton as president and me as a moderator . . . A NEW AGE WILL SOON BE UPON US.
December 28 Edit:
~ I guess John Edwards had quite the dramatic moment in New Orleans. He says he is going to run for the presidency again. (never saw that coming)
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posted January 05, 2007 03:41 PM |
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Oprah Winfrey
Somehow she is going to be tied to Obama. I just know it. Nothing has come out yet, but I have an eery feeling about this. Her statement about being "fed up with inner city schools" here in America was very disturbing to me. I suppose what she's trying to say is that if you don't like the schools in your own country then go build one in the land of your ethnic ancestors. This whole thing stinks of negligent racism.
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posted January 05, 2007 10:40 PM |
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Huh?!?!?
Consis, how much do you know about the state of inner city schools these days? Anyone who isn't fed up with them needs their head examined, no matter what flavor they are or where they come from.
...And what does the comment have to do with Obama?
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posted January 06, 2007 05:56 PM |
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It absolutely baffles me that Oprah is actually being criticized for her philanthropy.
I suggest that any who criticize Ms. Winfrey's decision should read the book ,"The End of Poverty" by Jeffrey Sachs. Oprah opening a school in South Africa is exactly the kind of thing I wish more super rich Americans would do. Lifting Africa out of poverty is good not just for Africans and for easing a guilty concsience but also benefits the US both directly through trade and indirectly through security.
In terms of the effectiveness of schools that will essentially only train a cohort of elites rather than say distributing medicine to a larger group of the population, I would suggest one look at the role that the IIT campuses have played in fueling India's rapid growth.
Well done Ms. Winfrey (but your show still sucks  )
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Well . . .
I was very fortunate to have watched a session that Nelson Mandela gave with an entire school campus audience. I don't recall the school at the moment. One thing I recall very clearly though was what he said to students who asked him how best to change the world to make it a better place. He said, "Start in each your respective local communities. Get involved and do what you can with the people of your local communities."
Maybe I'm a fool. Quote it if you like . . . but wouldn't it be more inspiring to the people, of any given region, that they stand up and take the reigns of future responsibility for themselves? Sovereignty is supposed to be inherent isn't it? And I ask you, how is that brought about? How is it that we Americans feel so strongly about our own country? Why? Are we able to help the african people because we're simply richer? Is it because our nation is farther along on some judgmental international evolutionary scale? If that is true then I say "Yes, we should help those who are less fortunate because it's not their fault they're so poor . . . They're simply less evolved".
What a pile of nonsense. Those African peoples are human the same as us. We fought, bled, sweat, and paid the full price for our right to exist. And we did it with no small amount, no shortage, and certainly no insignificant portion of mistakes and failures! If those people want the civil liberties that we have then I say let them fight for it with their own blood and sweat. I say they are responsible for comitting genocide ON THEIR OWN PEOPLE! They'll get no sympathy from me. They're savages not because of the color of their skin but because of the horrific tragedies they choose to commit on their own flesh and blood.
Oprah built a school there? So what? How long will it stand before some blood-thirsty genocidal criminals decide to burn it down? And why? Ask yourself why they would do it? Is it because the school is from America? (possibly) Is it because the school has too many christians? (also a possiblity) Or is it because they don't want their women to learn how to read? I say this is the most likely reason.
People talk about a great many things . . . but what can you do when those HUMAN BEINGS behave in such a way. I say leave them be.
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More On Oprah
More than once, I have said how much Oprah is a product of the American dream. Only in America could a story like hers be possible. In all of the history of the world her story is purely American and very much unique. And it doesn't even matter that I am saying this. People already know this and agree upon it. She is a great and inspiring American woman. And for some people, her skin color makes all the difference in the world. Who might those people be? Could they be other women of "minority" social status? I think some might be. I believe many of those women and even some of those men, who have a darkened skin color, think of her as so much more than simply some minority who is living the American dream. I would even venture forth to say that some people actually regard her as a representative. Yes indeed, you might on occasion hear the words, "She is of my people" or perhaps simply "My people" from many different Americans. This recognition goes far beyond a simple relative rags-to-riches story of a fellow American minority. It might very likely be that this describes much of what defines a 'representative of the people'. What people . . . per say? I don't know exactly, but there are some of whom, WITHOUT QUESTION, regard Oprah as their natural representative . . . and in some more seriously fanatic persons . . . ordained by God! Have you ever heard her being called: "Momma Moses"? (coined by Elvis Presley's daughter) Whether Oprah Winfrey believes she is a representative of "her people" or not, I believe the fact remains that she is indeed seen in such a light . . . whether she has openly sought the office or not; and whether she accepts this or not.
Now I ask you . . . if one of your state's two elected senators went off and built a school in some foreign country before ever having built a single school in the district of their respective constituents' community . . . how would that make you feel? What if this representative had said: "I'm fed up with inner city schools so I decided to build one in Africa." How would it make you feel if you had in some way contributed to the election of such an official? What if you voted for this person?
In all the english language, I feel there is one word that best describes the nature of this case. I feel (as do many fellow Americans) that this is a sad case of abandonment. Some people might feel that they have been abandoned by their proverbial mother.
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posted January 08, 2007 09:50 PM |
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Better than building no school at all, no?
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My Point:
. . . Is . . . Let's say a mother of three children (of which none can read or write) discovers that the neighbors' children (who also cannot read or write) are being beaten and raped.
What should the mother do?
1. Call the police and report the child abuse happening across the street.
2. Run over to the house of violence and attempt to teach the abused children to read and write.
3. Ignore the abuse and teach her own children how to read and write.
Let's say Oprah is the proverbial mother. Let's say the respective government is the local police department. And let's say the children aren't simply being beaten and raped but also systematically murdered on some sickening scale of social/ancestral identification. Oh and did I forget to mention: They're all African.
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posted January 09, 2007 04:13 PM |
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And my point:
Is that all three options are better than if she bought herself a shiny new car.
I see what your point is, and sort of agree with it, but I'm just saying it could be much worse. Many people with means do much less than she does.
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posted January 09, 2007 04:57 PM |
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Hmm . . .
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That is a powerful argument. I cannot possibly disagree with it. Certainly incontestable.
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posted January 10, 2007 03:31 AM |
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Let no one be discouraged by the belief there is nothing one man or one woman can do against the enormous array of the world's ills -- against misery and ignorance, injustice and violence... Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be written the history of this generation...
It is from the numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current which can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
-- Robert Kennedy
Even Oprah can't solve all of Africa's or America's problems, but she can and did do something. And it will make a difference. And good for her.
(and to get this back to the presidency, vote Obama!)
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