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SirDunco
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posted June 16, 2005 06:00 PM |
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Somtimes I get Scared...
Sometimes I get scared when I look around and see, all the hate, all the xenofobia, all those hairless heads...all of them...
Don't you? When I walk down the streets and see a gang of skinheads, wearing camoflage and bomber jackets with swastikas and SS symbols...when I see a hakenkreuz painted on the wall...when I see somewhere written "Sieg Heil!"...when I see someone wearing 88...when I hear them talking...when I hear people agreeing to their actions...When I hear people who hate all different...When i see people like them on the internet...or when I just see anyone like them...when I know they exist...Don't you?
Have you ever felt like this? Known you alone can't stop them? Known the police will do little? Known that they are here?
Or did you just no realise that they are...
The point of someone pursuing you on the fact that your skin colour is different, that your hair is different, that you dissagree, that you speak not what they want to hear, that you are doing the right thing?
Or what do you think?
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Lord_Woock
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posted June 16, 2005 06:14 PM |
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Please let me know if the neonazis get any close to power in Germany so I can move out to Kenya.
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted June 16, 2005 07:18 PM |
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The thugs in jackets i am not so worried about. Its the brains behind them that scare me. The wolves in sheeps clothing that operate like child abusers to befriend people that their in built radar has taught them to see as vulnerable.
I recently came across one on ICQ who tried to befriend me and then introduced me to a site about a movement in Britain called Chavscum.
When i went to the site i saw instantly from the word "Britains new ruling class" exactly what it stood for. When i contacted this woman who had tried to befriend me to make it clear that this was something i would have nothing to do with, she claimed to be their enemy and started to list everything bad about them.
However, from this point on she went from contacting me everyday to not bothering again.
She was clearly to me testing the water for a possible new recruit.
I still remember the awful and intense feeling that came over me as i became aware of what i was up against.
These people are truly demonic.
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Leo_Lion
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posted June 17, 2005 02:47 AM |
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Where the heck do you live, SirDunco?  I haven't seen any Neo-Nazis in Canada in ages...so, I don't have much to say about being afraid of them.
In addition, if you allow people like this to scare you, then you might eventually turn into an American Republican, who is afraid of anything and everything. If you do this, you will buy a house in the suburbs that is guarded by a private security company & surrounded by a 3 meter fence. You'll likely got out and buy a rifle/shotgun/handgun and hundreds of rounds of ammunition..."just in case" an intruder were to get by all of the other security measures. 
HONESTLY; being exposed to people who are consumed with hate and prejudice is a unique opportunity to learn something about yourself. If you find that you are repulsed by their beliefs and their actions, then you can confirm within yourself that you are the opposite of these things. Basically, you can confirm within yourself that you care about others and that you do not judge them based on their race/religion/whatever.
I once explained this briefly in IYY's I hate stupid people Thread. I described how I always try to distinguish between people & the "stupid things" that they do or that they believe in.
Without having a direct source against which to compare yourself, how can you ever be sure that you aren't a "hateful individual" or that you aren't "prejudiced"?! So, in a funny sort of way, you should be glad that there are Skinheads & Neo-Nazis...you should almost thank them for being "who they are"...because through them, you can see how negativity only reduces the beauty of life. Therefore, if you focus on the positive in each situation, you will be sure to live in a world that is truly beautiful.
As President Kennedy said in one of his famous speeches: "The only thing to fear, is fear itself!"
This is such a correct statement, on so many levels! If you consider the reasons why Neo-Nazis or Skinheads believe certain things or act in certain ways, you can identify that the source of their "ways" is fear. Whether it be the fear of people who are different than them or the fear of losing their power to other groups; the main reason why "they are who they are", is FEAR. And since they can't overcome their fears, it is manifested through hatred and prejudice! 
So, that is why you - SirDunco & Dodd, must avoid being scared of people like Neo-Nazis & Skinheads. You must overcome your fear of people who are part of these groups, as they themselves are slaves to their own fears. Essentially, you must avoid being afraid, yet welcome the opportunity to be around people who are scared!
For example, I would like to thank you - SirDunco, for starting this Thread and expressing your fear of Neo-Nazis and Skinheads. Through your actions and beliefs, I have been able to confirm within myself that I am not afraid of those people...based on the reasons that I stated above. Furthermore, I have been able to confirm that I see the beauty in the differences that life presents us; I see how fear can lead to joy. Finally, I hope that I have helped others, including yourself - SirDunco & Dodd, to see things in a new and beautiful way. 
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Conan
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posted June 17, 2005 04:18 AM |
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Where the heck do you live, SirDunco? I haven't seen any Neo-Nazis in Canada in ages...so, I don't have much to say about being afraid of them.
May I remind you, my dear friend, that the Reform party changed their name to the Canadian Alliance (now known as the conservatives) because they had allied themselves with neonazis during such demonstrations in Ottawa?
NeoNazis in Canada are still very present. Did you not hear the head of such an organization of white supremists being shot dead in Toronto just this year? And about the fact that he was once part of the KKK?
In any case, you do have a point with the republican stance in the US. We must not be affraid as you put it so we won't become insane. Instead, fight for what you believe in and in the values you trus, SirDunco. Knowing that I do this, and that I'm on the right path, that I do my part, I don't fear much, because if I am to die, I will die with a clean conscience.
It might be easy for me to say these things living in a Country where you are free to say what you think, but I do understand and sympathize with your situation.
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Leo_Lion
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posted June 17, 2005 05:03 AM |
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I said:Quote:
I haven't seen any Neo-Nazis in Canada in ages...
To which Conan repplied:Quote:
May I remind you, my dear friend, that the Reform party changed their name to the Canadian Alliance
Hahaha! I don't know if you meant for that to be funny, Conan...but it was! 
Neo-Nazis = The Reform Party = The Canadian Alliance
Hahaha! I love to hate Conservatives & Republicans!
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Conan
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posted June 17, 2005 05:27 AM |
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It's no joke and it's sad you took it that way.
Preston Manning sympathized with neo-nazis when they gathered on Rideau street in the 1990's.
It's a fact.
Here is a link that talks about the what the right represents.
Want more? How about Wolfgang Droege? He was a former member of the KKK and he was part of the Reform party when it was founded in 1992 by Manning. Don't beleive me? Check out www.heritagefront.com. I wont link it because I want nothing to do with them.
To clean their image, they changed their name to the Candadian Alliance, then allied with the Conservatives which had under 10 seats. So you can say that alot of members that where under Preston Manning's reform party in the 1990's are now Conservatives like Rahim Jaffer, Howard Hilstrom, Inky Mark and Gurmant Gruwal, just to name a few.
I hope people understand me when I say I won't ever be voting Conservative in my life.
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted June 17, 2005 05:40 AM |
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Actually Leo in my day to day living i am not thinking about such people. I was making the point that to be confronted by such a person without warning was like being in some horror movie.
Nothing would ever persuade me to be greatfull that such people exist. I do not and never have agreed with the opinion that you need evil in the world to have something to measure good against. It is only our tendency to take things for granted that causes such an unatural need rather than it being a sad reality of life that we have no choice over. If you ponder on that which is good your appreciation will increase without you having to expose yourself to anything harmful, and this is a much healthier way of going about it.
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SirDunco
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posted June 17, 2005 01:48 PM |
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Where the heck do you live, SirDunco? I haven't seen any Neo-Nazis in Canada in ages...
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I happen to live in central Europe... Slovakia...but that doesn't matter but i can assure you that there are and a hack-of-a-lot NeoNazis in Cananda just like in the US and if i'm not misstaken there is a KKK wing functioning in Canda, just like in the USofA where they exist completly legaly...dissgusting.
The thing I'm affarid of is not them as actual physical persons, but of what they represent, their values, thoughts and believes. Of their idieology which is apparently still at large...
Those are the things which scare, dissgust and appal me...the very point of someone just being able to think in such a way...
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Conan
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posted June 18, 2005 01:28 AM |
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there are and a hack-of-a-lot NeoNazis in Cananda just like in the US and if i'm not misstaken there is a KKK wing functioning in Canda, just like in the USofA where they exist completly legaly...dissgusting.
Wrong, the KKK is an illegal operation. Both in Canada and in the USA.
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Leo_Lion
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posted June 18, 2005 04:24 AM |
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It's no joke and it's sad you took it that way.
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I hope people understand me when I say I won't ever be voting Conservative in my life.
Wow...now that you've explained it even further, Conan, I am amazed at how so many people overlooked that issue during the last Federal Election. Even more shocking, is the fact the Liberals didn't exploit this issue during their campaigning.
Thanks for opening my eyes to this, Conan...I now agree with you that it is no laughing matter! 
I also have to agree with you about voting for those intolerant Conservatives; not going to happen with me! 
Dodd, while I agree with you that I don't need negative influences to help me see the beauty and good things in my life...I also believe that negative people & circumstances act like a "slap in the face" that reminds us to rise above certain challenges and obstacles. If our lives were like a straight line, then we would never be able to become better people.
The fundamental concept behind this line of thinking, is that if you don't do things to prove to yourself & to others that you are "a particular type of person", than you are not "that type of person". Only through action can reality be achieved or constructed!
For example, if I say that I am a tolerant individual, yet I chastise people every time that they make a mistake, then I am not a tolerant individual. I would actually be an intolerant grump!
On the other hand, if I say that I see the beauty in life in every situation, and I am able to do this even when my wife has a miscarriage (as it really did happen 6 months ago), then I am not only telling myself & others that I am positive individual, but I am proving it! I am making it real!
Therefore, I am glad that my wife & I were able to experience a miscarriage, even though it was a difficult event. That situation allowed me to "be" who I want to become and, in the same way, facing your fears of Neo-nazis/Skinheads/heights/spiders/whatever...can allow you, & everyone else, to become better people.
As for the KKK, I'll just stick to what Michael Moore said in Bowling for Columbine:
"The same year that it became illegal for the KKK to exist, the NRA was created."
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SirDunco
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posted June 18, 2005 11:45 AM |
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Wrong, the KKK is an illegal operation. Both in Canada and in the USA.
Illegal eh? I can recall quite strongly that during my four year stay in Pittsburgh, PA there was at least one large march, or promenade of KKK members, dressed in their "Knight Costumes", promenading and wavig around their and Nazi symbols, ofcourse the police didn't round them up and take them away...Not exactly illegal in my oppinion...
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DoddTheSlayer
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posted June 18, 2005 04:43 PM |
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Maybe they have just been decriminalised like canabis in the UK.
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Svarog
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posted June 19, 2005 01:30 PM |
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In US free speech has no limits. You can say anything you want, and its ur democratic right to form a party or organization whith whatever agenda comes to mind. On the other hand, its illegal to spit on a street or forgetting to get rid of your garbage in some districts. One word - Americans....
As for Neo-Nazi, I must say I'm pleased I dont see much scum on hte treets lately. U see Skinheas very rarely on the streets, but they are so brainless green boys that they dont even know what they represent. I'm much more concerned about the actual ideology that is still much present (of course, in its own little Macedonian context; not surprising for a poor multicultural country), and not its parade costumes.
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Conan
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posted June 20, 2005 03:15 PM |
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Illegal eh? I can recall quite strongly that during my four year stay in Pittsburgh, PA there was at least one large march, or promenade of KKK members, dressed in their "Knight Costumes", promenading and wavig around their and Nazi symbols, ofcourse the police didn't round them up and take them away...Not exactly illegal in my oppinion...
Well, perhaps you went before the law passed? (That NRA year) I'm not sure about the US. But I know in Canada we have something called hate crimes under which it is illegal to propagate hate of a group because of their religion, culture and sexual orientation.
That means that anyone trying to bring a collectivity to hate a group is performing an illegal operation.
Here is the law in Canada:
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Hate Propaganda
Advocating genocide
318. (1) Every one who advocates or promotes genocide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years.
Definition of "genocide"
(2) In this section, "genocide" means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy in whole or in part any identifiable group, namely,
(a) killing members of the group; or
(b) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction.
Consent
(3) No proceeding for an offence under this section shall be instituted without the consent of the Attorney General.
Definition of "identifiable group"
(4) In this section, "identifiable group" means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 318; 2004, c. 14, s. 1.
Public incitement of hatred
319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Wilful promotion of hatred
(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.
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SirDunco
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posted June 20, 2005 06:43 PM |
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Well it appears that in liberal Cananda such a law exists, my misstake. But so far in the US no such law has been passed, which allows and encourages the existance of such organisations...It was my fault about Canada and thanks for setting me on the right track
Also I'm happy to hear that such a law exists...
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posted June 20, 2005 07:25 PM |
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Conan
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posted June 20, 2005 08:55 PM |
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just found this on CBC.ca
Ku Klux Klan a 'peaceful' group: murder trial witness
Last Updated Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:52:16 EDT
CBC News
The Ku Klux Klan is a "peaceful organization" that did a lot of good in Mississippi over the years, a defence witness said Monday as testimony wrapped up in a triple-murder trial dating back to 1964.
A ripple went through the courtroom in Philadelphia, Miss., as former mayor Harlan Majure made that statement.
Edgar Ray Killen arrives for court earlier this month. (CP file photo)
Majure, who was mayor in the 1990s, also said the part-time preacher accused of organizing the slaying of three young civil rights workers was a good man.
Edgar Ray Killen, 80, faces life in prison if he is convicted in the deaths of James Chaney, who was black, and his white colleagues Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner.
The three were in Philadelphia to investigate the burning of a church used to register black voters in the segregated state when they were ambushed by a gang of Ku Klux Klan members.
Their bodies were found more than six weeks later.
The case was made famous in the 1988 film, Mississippi Burning.
Killen was the only man ever indicted on state murder charges in the case, but he was never brought to trial on those charges.
Because of a hung jury, he was acquitted on federal charges of interfering with the three victims' civil rights, though a handful of other Klan members were convicted.
After Majure's testimony Monday, the judge started instructing the jury that will decide Killen's fate.
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Svarog
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posted June 21, 2005 02:48 PM |
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Actually we do have hate crimes laws in the U.S. So while the expression of "opinion" will never be outlawed (freedom of speech), any unlawful actions are punishable offenses. Much of that stuff was also supposedly formerly covered under statutes prohibiting "incitement to riot," but the laws turned out to be ineffective so they promulgated the "hate crimes" titles.
Indeed, but while in the US u can freely form an organization with whatever racist agenda, in Canada the law clearly states that even racist 'free' speech is punishable.
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Conan
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posted June 21, 2005 07:19 PM |
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update
Twelve jurors have found 80-year-old Edgar Ray Killen guilty of manslaughter in the deaths of three civil rights workers in Mississippi in 1964.
The former Ku Klux Klan leader had been charged with first-degree murder for his part in organizing the deaths of James Chaney, a black from Mississippi, and his white colleagues, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner from New York.
Edgar Ray Killen arrives for court earlier this month. (CP file photo)
A murder verdict could have meant life in prison for Killen. Manslaughter carries a maximum sentence of 20 years.
The prosecutor's office had indicated that it would be satisfied with the lesser verdict of manslaughter in order to get a conviction in the crime, which occurred 41 years to the day before Tuesday's verdict.
The case had cast a pall over the town of Philadelphia, Miss., since the three men's beaten and shot bodies were found during what became known as "Freedom Summer," when civil rights workers tried to register black voters in the segregated state.
FROM JUNE 13, 2005: 'Mississippi Burning' jurors start arriving
The three were in Philadelphia to investigate the burning of a church used to register black voters when they were ambushed by a gang of Ku Klux Klan thugs.
Their bodies were found more than six weeks later.
The case was made famous in the 1988 film, Mississippi Burning.
Killen, a part-time preacher, was the only man ever indicted on state murder charges in the case, but he was not brought to trial on those charges until this year.
Nine white and three black jurors deliberated for one day before coming up with their unanimous verdict in the case.
"How much time is enough that murder is not a crime anymore?" prosecutor Jim Hood asked before they retired for their deliberations. "How much time should pass before we say it's OK to murder?"
Killen's lawyer told the jurors that there was not enough evidence to convict his client, whom he admitted was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan.
"He's not charged with being a member of the Klan, he's charged with murder," said James McIntyre.
He also pointed out that the prosecution had failed to prove that Killen was present when the three victims were killed.
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