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maretti
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posted August 12, 2005 06:39 PM |
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Special dragons
Special dragons (azure, crystal, sulfur and faeriedragons) are all very cool but are they usefull in online gaming? They cost alot and its pretty difficult to get them in higher numbers cause the dwellings are allways heavily guarded so almost impossible to get early in a game.
Whats your experiences and opinion about these dragons? Where they usefull, even worth the money? Have anybody ever won a game because of special dragons?
Personnaly i have never had succes with them on random maps which is a pitty because i think it would be cool if they were a factor in the game. They are simply to expensive and normal lvl 7 creatures are stronger compared to the cost. On special maps like crystal city its another story.
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lkru33
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posted August 12, 2005 07:27 PM |
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I am a random map player and have only seen a special dragon dwelling 1 time in all of the games I've played... and that was on the "True Random" template.
So hypathetically speaking, if I were to come across a dwelling, would it be worth the money and resources spent to purchase these dragons? My answer to this is no. Why? Because I am not a very fast player as it is, so by the time I have built all of my creature dwelling upgrades and bought out all of my troops, my opponent is usually already in my land or close to it. If I am playing you for example, I may not have enough time to buy the troops I have in my castle let alone throw out an extra 20,000, not to mention the 10-20 resources that I'm sure I will have already traded away just to make my builds.
If by some miracle I end up with 2 azure dragons in my party and I happen to fight against Fortress... 1 cow attack and say goodbye to 40,000 gold and 40 Mercury... just like that.
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maretti
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posted August 12, 2005 08:48 PM |
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The only template I know where these dragondwells are present is true random. But my guess would be that they are present on an xl map about half the times and sometimes with 2 or 3 simmilar dwells. So with 1 or 2 dungeon towns and a lot of money (topes are very common on true random) it is possible to get a real powerstack.
Against fortress its probably not the right strategy as you pointed out but if you play fortress you could get them pretty easily if you are lucky with some easy guards (2 azures for example)
Btw as I recall azures cost 30000 gold.
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tigris
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posted August 13, 2005 07:41 PM |
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wellcome back foo :P
u should try the "frozen dragons" template.I think that one is the only one that makes these dragons worth while, sometimes.Anyways it's a very cool template IMHO
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lkru33
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posted August 15, 2005 04:28 PM |
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Btw as I recall azures cost 30000 gold.
Marettifoo, you are right!! It has been so long since I've played a game with these creatures involved, I forgot the exact amount of gold and resources for each.
- Azure Dragon 30,000 gold + 20 mercury
- Crystal Dragon 20,000 gold + 10 crystal
- Rust Dragon 15,000 gold + 14 sulfur
- Faerie Dragon 10,000 gold + 8 gems
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DragonMaster
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posted August 20, 2005 10:25 PM |
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Yes, these dragons are worth it.
Not only are they all level 10 creatures,
The faeries have a offensive spell ability.
I would not use them in stacks of one,
that is never a good idea.
Now for the power of these babies:
I will compare them to the Black Dragon.
Black Dragon(HP:300): Magic resistant.
Faerie Dragon(HP:600): Useless against Blacks.
Rust Dragon(HP:750): Acid(Reduces defence and extra damage when defence is 0)
Crystal Dragon(HP:1000): Faster than a Black, so strikes first.
Azure Dragon(HP:800): Power to outmatch 3 Blacks.
So there is more power, and more HP.
Yes,they're worth it.
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Fire is not a dragons only strength, so don't come to close to it's mouth, when he is not flammable.
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2XtremeToTake
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posted August 20, 2005 10:37 PM |
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But the question remains, how many peasant's does it take to Kill an Azure?
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DragonMaster
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posted August 20, 2005 10:40 PM |
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Well, an Azure has 800HP.
Peasants deal 1dam a piece.
Normally you would guess 800 peasants.
But, keeping in mind the HUGE defence of the Azure,
and the rather wimpy attack of peasants,
I would guess you need around 1200 peasants per Azure.
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2XtremeToTake
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posted August 20, 2005 10:46 PM |
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Ah yes but you also have to calculate speed
An azure dragon will definitly go first over a peasant
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angelito
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posted August 20, 2005 10:49 PM |
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Some of your facts are wrong though, let me correct them..
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...Not only are they all level 10 creatures,
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Faeries are level 8
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I would not use them in stacks of one,
that is never a good idea.
I guess itīs the other way around. The more faeries in one single stack, the more powerfull their casted spell will be and deal more damage.
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Faerie Dragon(HP:600): Useless against Blacks.
They have 500 hp
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Crystal Dragon(HP:1000): Faster than a Black, so strikes first.
They have 800 hp
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Azure Dragon(HP:800): Power to outmatch 3 Blacks.
They have 1000 hp and they can even outmatch 6 blacks.
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DragonMaster
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posted August 20, 2005 10:50 PM |
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Hmm yes, good point.
Lets see,
an Azure has a attack power of 50.
Lame defence of a Peasant of 1.
up to 75 Peasants can be killed(I always go over the top to make sure I have enough.)
So add 75 to it.
1200+75=1275 Peasants.
Because of my error(HP:1000 instead of 800)
add 300 more peasants.
1275+300=1575.
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DragonMaster
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posted August 20, 2005 10:57 PM |
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Yeah, I knew I was gonna be wrong somewhere.
Thanks for adjusting it.
You see, the game is on another computer which I don't have access to right now, so I couldn't check.
I know most facts though, so I posted here.
On the Faerie Dragons:
Seperate stacks leave them vulnerble to attacks. Okey 500HP is not easy to blast away, but I think toghether they are a more powerfull force.
Sorry about the Crystal-Azure mix-up.
By the way, 6 Black Dragons with 1 Azure?
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tigris
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posted August 20, 2005 11:02 PM |
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keep adding peasants lol
damage calculation is explained somewhere else
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angelito
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posted August 20, 2005 11:07 PM |
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Even if it only was a guess, he is nearly right with 1275 peasants vs. 1 Azure. If "fear" doesnīt appear that is....
And yes, u will need 7 Black dragons to kill 1 Azure. Without any bonuses like "offense, armorer" or other stat boosters.
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DragonMaster
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posted August 20, 2005 11:12 PM |
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How strange this might sound.
I've fought almost 200 battles including Azures,
but I've never seen fear.
How much peasants is it then?
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maretti
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posted August 20, 2005 11:20 PM |
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my guess would be about 5000-10000 peasents to kill one azure
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angelito
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posted August 20, 2005 11:33 PM |
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You should keep in mind, the difference between attack and defense skill is only valuable till it reaches "28"....everything else is useless....and also keep in mind, u canīt get more than 300% bonus to your damage.
If u have 1300 peasants, fight will go like this:
1 Azure makes about 230-275 damage per round.
Peasants retail with about 310 damage (yes, about 1000 peasants will make that much damage), and on their turn they deal the same damage again, 310, and Azure retails with 230-275.
So after round 1, u will have about 750-840 peasants left, and the Azure has 380 hitpoints left.
2nd round, Azure attacks with 230-275 damage, peasants retail with about 180 damage. On their turn, they attack again with 180 damage, while Azure retails with 230-275.
After round 2, u have about 300 peasants left, and the Azure has about 20 hitpoints left.
Here u can see, about 1300 peasants could be enough to kill 1 Azure, canīt be said exactly, coz of the damage range the Azure has (70-80 damage).
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DragonMaster
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posted August 20, 2005 11:35 PM |
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Yeah, I was pretty close.
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Fire is not a dragons only strength, so don't come to close to it's mouth, when he is not flammable.
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maretti
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posted August 20, 2005 11:57 PM |
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ok i was way off, but i have to correct one thing, the azure will only be hit by retaliation so i guess it takes a little more peasents
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DragonMaster
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posted August 20, 2005 11:59 PM |
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That is if Fear is of effect.
Without fear, the Peasants can attack.
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