JollyJoker said:

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Obviously, when you play Tower with random heroes on impossible, and you get Piquedram and find Serena in the Tavern you are royally screwed, no matter what

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Salamandre said:

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Popcorn. I receive such warnings every week and even if I'm more amazing than you I just comply, I like order.

Also they have to justify their moderator fancy income.

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JollyJoker said:

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Obviously, when you play Tower with random heroes on impossible, and you get Piquedram and find Serena in the Tavern you are royally screwed, no matter what

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Impossible mode deserve its name. Many games suffer from unbalance on highest difficulty, even Civilization on Deity works with only a few nations, AOW 2 too from what I remember and so on. That's why pvp play intermediate difficulty so they could a) have the funds for digging a decent hero then b) be able to pass the special low level dwellings, like in dungeon case.

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and the question you can ask is, is it right to allow such a big difference in quality, when you could also get Cyra plus any Alchemist except Piquedram and Josephine.

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monere said:

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I like order, too. But real order, not tyranny, and when someone calls me idiot out of the blue just because I told him to stop whining and feeling butthurt, and then a MODERATOR warns ME, instead of the one who started the insults... sorry, but that's not order. That's masked tyranny.

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monere said:

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@Maurice.... I don't care too much about what you have to say, or do...

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Salamandre said:

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As I said many times, there is no problem in playing with whatever hero, granted you know the relation skills -> class, and win. The random choice was killed by the fan modification of templates, they are now closed and artificially allow very high level main heroes, so you get those offense, armorer and logistic skills kicking in and having priority, thus everything goes towards might hero pick. If you play Heroes 3 on the original template - no guards, no blocks, interaction with other player early, the main hero isn't important but how you grasp every square of the map before your opponent by using a flexible chain. For the 5 years I played in ToH, early vanilla, I never saw a main hero going beyond 10th level - maps were decent, not filled with utopias, relics and tomes crap, or at 10th level magic heroes are just as good or even better than might ones.

But that kind or gameplay is stressing as is based on constant skirmish so you ahve to pay attention to every move and every hero, then people wanted safe build-style game, with one big battle at the end. And this is how the game became unbalanced.

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Salamandre said:

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As I said many times, there is no problem in playing with whatever hero, granted you know the relation skills -> class, and win. The random choice was killed by the fan modification of templates, they are now closed and artificially allow very high level main heroes, so you get those offense, armorer and logistic skills kicking in and having priority, thus everything goes towards might hero pick. If you play Heroes 3 on the original template - no guards, no blocks, interaction with other player early, the main hero isn't important but how you grasp every square of the map before your opponent by using a flexible chain. For the 5 years I played in ToH, early vanilla, I never saw a main hero going beyond 10th level - maps were decent, not filled with utopias, relics and tomes crap, or at 10th level magic heroes are just as good or even better than might ones.

But that kind or gameplay is stressing as is based on constant skirmish so you ahve to pay attention to every move and every hero, then people wanted safe build-style game, with one big battle at the end. And this is how the game became unbalanced.

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Salamandre said:

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It's not Hota's fault, this style of gameplay existed and was predominant for the last 15 years. A majority of people prefer safe developing, build their main as they wish without worrying that opponent may steal resources, kill scouts and play the attrition card. Hota only optimize what players already like.

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Ben80 said:

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I have noticed that tournament community prefer to play on quite the same conditions:
1) 1 human player vs 1 human player, no more than 2 human, no computer players. Only red human vs blue human.
2) "fat" random map sizes of each template, not "lean". For example, 2sm4d(3) suitable both for M size and L size. Players always prefer L size.
3) 160% difficulty (or 200% but with not strong monsters).

So, they think that it is Heroes 3, but it is only little part of Heroes 3...
HotA oriented on current tournament fashion and often make rebalance for better playing on such specific conditions.
If someone wants to change game one should fit templates (for random) or maps to game mechanics but HotA doing opposite...

For example, in original game Necropolis actually quite balanced on "lean" sizes, 200%, strong monsters, + comp. players. Because of in such conditions Necropolis will not get very huge skeleton army from his respawn zone, it may have difficulties with early upgrade of Vampires and sometimes it may have difficulties with computer players.

BTW, current most popular playing conditions lead to quite monotonous game, though it require gaming skill, of course. What we can see always: 1) 8 heroes on first week 2) breakthrough to other zones on first week 3) almost no development of starting castle 4) finding Dragon Fly Hives or Griffin Conservatory.

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