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grendal
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 14, 2006 07:29 PM |
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solution to the noob/vet conflicts
I suggest having a choice where a veteran can choose an option which would flag his/her thread as a veteran thread. No newcomers would be allowed to post (but can read) in this thread until they have applied to a moderater to have those previllages.
This would prevent the noobish comments which invariably get veterans in trouble. It would also alert veterans to threads which contain newcomer posts. This way they can approch them with a little more diplomacy.
Also this would give newcomers, who want to learn, a better idea of which threads to read and take advice from.
Just a thought 
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Russ
Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
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posted March 14, 2006 07:35 PM |
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Very good idea.
What would be the criteria for deciding on who's a vet and who's not? You obviously can't base it on time spent in HC, because some people who posted here for a long time make very noobish comments, yet some relatively new players who pick up quickly make some good posts.
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grendal
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 14, 2006 07:39 PM |
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Yeah deciding who would get the veteran designation would be a tough thing to do. I think the best way would be leaving it up to the mods to make that determination. Angelito would be a great choice to make the decisions. Lots of work though im sure.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted March 14, 2006 09:48 PM |
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The MAIN problem arent the noobies, the Problem is the so called FANAGES...thats were the noobies get all this stupid stuff from....means they read all through those great advices that are listed there and think they are well prepared for this forum....OR where do you think these noobies get those very bright info like
"Only take Experience from chests when the Experience/Cash ratio is good"
"Split your army into 2 Main Heros, one with the fast creatures and one with the slow creatures to defend the castle. Put second Hero into garrison".
"Go straight for capitol, the 4000 extra money will help you to get Black Dragons in Month 2".
"Take Solmyr as starting hero. With his chain lightning special he will be a good main hero"
...and and and and and... similar nonsense you will find on the Fanpages and even in the "Ubi`s Official Book of Solutions". So when they come here, they dont get that all theyve "learned" was nothin but pure nonsense.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted March 14, 2006 09:59 PM |
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Example: This is taken of "Age of Heroes"-Fanpage
"Fight any neutral army camp you think you can beat without many casualties and take the experience from any treasure chest you encounter (unless you really REALLY need the money). Go as far as you can in any given direction and then pick a new one. Don't be afraid to stray far, you can always run away if things get hairy. If you're lucky, you can keep at it for a good month or so without feeling the need to go back for reinforcements."
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted March 14, 2006 10:20 PM |
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Hehehe, I must agree with Xar about HOMM3 writings on AOH, that's why I'm getting your guys help in updating the HOMM3 section.
As for the proposal in this thread, optimal solution is putting something like "MP: thread name" and stating the rules of the topic in the first post:
Topic Rules: this thread is for discussion of multiplayer strategy which strongly differs from how many people play single player. I ask that unless you've played HOMM3 in multiplayer mode, or want to learn to play HOMM3 in multiplayer mode, you do not post in this thread. Please post single player strategies in other threads. I request that moderators clean this thread according to these topic rules.
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Russ
Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
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posted March 14, 2006 10:39 PM |
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multiplayer strategy which strongly differs from how many people play single player.
I think angelito already said this: "Any good multiplayer strategy will also work in single player. However, this does not work the other way around. Killing AI is too easy with any strategy, but that strategy will seldom work against an experienced online player."
After playing a few online games and learning a few tricks, I've played a few single player games and I've noticed an ENORMOUS difference. I've annihilated the AI on some maps where I used to have problems earlier.
So, saying that the multiplayer strategy is not applicable to the single player is even more misleading than some of the noobish posts.
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted March 14, 2006 10:54 PM |
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Yes, good point. That was just an idea of how thread rules could look, feel free to rephrase it. The main things are clarity and no personal discrimination. Making the whole thing bold and red could also be a good idea, then people don't have an argument that they've overlooked it.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
The last hero standing
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posted March 15, 2006 12:33 AM |
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Yes, i must agree to Russ. Mentioning that SP is else then MP is one of the most noobish thing to say. There is no difference.
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Nebuka
Promising
Supreme Hero
Save me Jebus!
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posted March 15, 2006 05:17 AM |
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I'd actually hate that. Threads would be boring without amusing noobish thoughts from Xarfax, Russ, and others like them.
Crag over Solmyr? Money from chest? Clerics bad??? Hello! Rion and first aid bad? Get real.
You just must laugh at such claims.
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Consis
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Of Ruby
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posted March 15, 2006 05:35 AM |
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Yup
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Threads would be boring without thoughts from Xarfax.
True statement.
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Zsa
Famous Hero
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posted March 15, 2006 05:41 AM |
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SILENCE NEWBS! The fanpage has spoken
Now seriously, i think there is enough stuff on the threads for the advantages/disadvantages on different castle threads to remake some of the AOH overviews (for the individual castles at least).
The info posted in those threads is generally good, just ignore everything Evil_Warrior and William posted (with a few other posts).
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greek_god_su...
Famous Hero
Bringer Of Light
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posted March 15, 2006 03:10 PM |
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Maybe we should have one forum for newbies and one for vets? Then there would be some way to limit newbies from posting to the other forum. Maybe certain post count or sth? But then again, someone would need to go teach them real strategies to their forum before they´d be ready to move into next level...
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Jebus
Promising
Supreme Hero
TheJester akaJeebs akaJebfoo
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posted March 15, 2006 03:33 PM |
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Yeah I brought that up last year and it was shot down pretty fast...
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Russ
Promising
Supreme Hero
blah, blah, blah
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posted March 15, 2006 04:12 PM |
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Crag over Solmyr? Money from chest? Clerics bad??? Hello! Rion and first aid bad? Get real.
Hey, easy there! At least we, noobs, all agree that zombieZ r DA BOMB! 
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angelito
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted March 17, 2006 02:13 PM |
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..Angelito would be a great choice to make the decisions. Lots of work though im sure.
Thx for the credit Grendal, but i don´t want to implement a "2-class" system here.
In my opinion, it´s much much easier.
If a "noob" gives a statement, which is "noobish" (and prolly "wrong"), just don´t react on that.
Let him share his opinion, may it be right or wrong. You all vets know, which is the "better" (= more effective) way to play, others have to learn that first. Don´t take that "I love Solmyr" as a personal attack towards your playing skills...
I think we shouldn´t "convince" everyone with our "playstyle". If the newcomers finally will enter "gamespy", they will learn pretty fast, which style is more effective (multi-), and which is prolly more fun (single- ??).
My 2 cents...
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greek_god_su...
Famous Hero
Bringer Of Light
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posted March 17, 2006 02:51 PM |
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Yup, Angelito just said what I always think when vets start reacting to noobish comments.
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FriendOfGunnar
Honorable
Legendary Hero
able to speed up time
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posted March 17, 2006 07:10 PM |
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This is a old problem of course, which is how to separate signal from noise. I have some ideas I want to share but first I've got another suggestion that I think will eventually feed into the topic of this thread. It has to do with the number of forums here:16. At about 50 posts a day that works out to about 3 posts per forum (ignore the hazy math and follow my point). I think it's a bit overwhelming. It also tends to lead to an over-reliance on "Today's Posts" I think.
My suggestion is to basically just tighten up the forums and create a new role for the "Library of Enlightenment", specifically:
1. Folding "Lands of Axeoth", "Wake of Gods", "Library of Enlightenment", and possibly "Map Haven" into one new forum, (I'll give it the working title of "Lands of our Youth")
2. Folding "Other Side of the Moniter", "Other Games Exist Too", and "Newcomers Inn" into the Tavern of the Rising Sun. (Perhaps you can make Newcomers Inn just a bulletin board at the Tavern)
3. Turning Library of Enlightenment into a true archive for the entire website (excluding Bards Glade Pyre and Turban Tribunal). In other words the only way to get in there without getting your thread terminated is if you're referred there by a moderator.
4. Coliseum: As Val mentioned there's going to be occasional contests that occur there. Whenever a new contest emerges it could be a good time to clean house and either delete the old threads or move them to the new "Library of Enlightenment".
5. For all forums there will be a 6 page (adjustable) limit. When the threads get pushed past that line they'll automatically go to the VW unless a mod wants to a) revive them, b) send them to the archives, or c) just delete them with no mercy.
In my mind the new line-up would look like this:
Tournament of Honor
HOMM5:
HOMM1-4, WOG, Equilibris
CCG's
Coliseum
Library of Enlightenment (all archives)
Tavern: Serious and Casual Offtopic
Volcanic Wastelands: Silly Offtopic
Bards Glade Pyre
Turban Tribunal
Mod Squad
So now I finally arrive at the main point of this thread. If you fold all of the HOMM forums into one forum you can put a disclaimer in the code of conduct:
"When creating a new thread in the "Lands of our Youth" you must include the following at the start of your thread:
H1:HOMM1
H2:HOMM2
H3:HOMM3
WOG:Wake of Gods
H4: HOMM4
EQ:Equilibris
MP: Multiplayer experience"
This last one is important. There's only about 15 MP vets here who contribute regularly. If a person sticks an "MP" at the beginning of their thread then moobs and noobs will be reluctant to post in it. Meanwhile all of these H3 threads that pop up like weeds after a thunderstorm can be ignored by the MP vets because they'll have the designation H3 on it. With this system there's no need to put a "stay out" sticker on the thread. There's also no need to lock threads which are considered redundant because people will eventually lose interest in them, they'll gradually fall to the bottom of the pond, after which they'll be incinerated in VW.
(Also one more suggestion. All of these H3 completes, H3 millenium editions, etc… get a completely new life whenever they're put in the discount bin at a video game shop. I recommend that you require all new members to go to the respective threads and list their favourite hero, favourite and least favourite town, favourite level seven, favourite HOMM, and why they hate/don't hate HOMM4, etc…)
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Vlaad
Admirable
Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
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posted March 17, 2006 08:20 PM |
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Folding "Lands of Axeoth", "Wake of Gods", "Library of Enlightenment", and possibly "Map Haven" into one new forum, (I'll give it the working title of "Lands of our Youth")
Here, have some tossquila! Cheers!
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grendal
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 17, 2006 09:44 PM |
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I can understand the reluctance to create a "2 class system". However, the fact remains it is already here (strategy wise). Maybe not in the rules of posting, but definately in the way most of the people think.
Leaving it as is doesnt address the noob/vet problem. Relying on vets/noobs to respond accordingly also hasnt worked in the past and will continue to cause problems in the future. This problem has been going on for years and isnt going away. The community has lost the posting of several good members as a result. To me, implementing a "2 class system", strictly for a strategy thread, isnt really creating a 2 class system (it exists already). Also a "2 class system already exists with the rewarding of red stars. If a person posts enough good strategy threads (or fiction or whatever) they get rewarded. (no flood protecting and a bunch of stars by their name) Why is acknowldeging the advanced understanding of how the game is played online any different than acknowledging "good posts" with red stars?
Actually, reading Valerys' post, i think that would be the best way to go.
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