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angelito
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posted April 05, 2006 02:02 PM |
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Weekly Library Question 14/06
After a short break, we continue our series 
5 statements, some of them true, some wrong...or maybe all true...or all wrong....you decide.
Everything is refered to Heroes 3 Complete.
1. I once saw a creature on the battlefield getting moral, even though, no other unit was present, nor any spell active.
2. I once saw a hero gaining a new level, but he dinīt fight. And no, there was no Treasure chest near...neither a Learning stone...neither a Tree of knowledge...neither a Pandoras box....and neither an Altar of sacrifice.
3. There is a rumour, a big leader once had 55 heroes under his command. Their banner all had the same color.
4. It is written in a mystery tome, a Giant deals 50% more damage to Blackdragons, but NOT vice versa.
5. The highest increase of speed a unit can recieve is +18
Would be cool to read explanations coming with your answers
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Zsa
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posted April 05, 2006 02:50 PM |
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2. It helps to have a dungeon town with battlescholar academy. 
3. The maximum number of towns you can have is something around 48. Having a hero garissoned in each plus another 8 heroes would give you 56. So yah it's possible.
5. 5 (haste) + 3 (prayer) + 4 X 2 = 8 from speed arties with hero garissoned inside castle with a copy of all speed arties from main hero + 1 Nat terrain + 3 Haste (Haste specialty hero) = +20 speed
That's the max speed i think (unless i'm missing something).
4. I forgot how that went 
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pacifist
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posted April 05, 2006 02:57 PM |
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1. a minotaur always has +1 moral
2. an event can give xp too.
3. 47 heroes in garrison (I don't know what's the maximum number of castles in a map)
4. I think giants and black dragons don't hate each other.
Made some tests with SoD and it's confirmed.
5. Do you mean in battle or outside of battle too (like with artifacts) ?
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angelito
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posted April 05, 2006 03:05 PM |
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1. With "having" good moral, i meant it gained a second turn in that round.
2. I knew i forgot something..."and there was neither a town near nor an event took place"..
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Guitarguy
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posted April 05, 2006 03:10 PM |
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2. I never really tried this, but how about visiting Sirens?
-Guitarguy
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Zsa
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posted April 05, 2006 03:10 PM |
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haha, you bastard I was wondering that it was too easy
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angelito
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posted April 05, 2006 03:13 PM |
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Good one Guitarguy.
Sirens can work similar as Altar of sacrifice (refering to creatures).
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dimis
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posted April 05, 2006 03:19 PM |
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Edited by dimis on 5 Apr 2006
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Quote:
1. I once saw a creature on the battlefield getting moral, even though, no other unit was present, nor any spell active.
2. I once saw a hero gaining a new level, but he dinīt fight. And no, there was no Treasure chest near...neither a Learning stone...neither a Tree of knowledge...neither a Pandoras box....and neither an Altar of sacrifice.
3. There is a rumour, a big leader once had 55 heroes under his command. Their banner all had the same color.
4. It is written in a mystery tome, a Giant deals 50% more damage to Blackdragons, but NOT vice versa.
5. The highest increase of speed a unit can recieve is +18
1. Correct. A ballista and/or tent and/or ammo cart was still present ... I don't remember if I have encountered it with wandering creatures though ...
2. Is it possible with an event? [EDIT: It took me too long to write the post and you excluded this one out ... ]
3. I don't see a problem. The hero must have at least 47 towns where in each one of them a hero must be garrissoned (on top) and 8 more heroes wandering around. Other player one hero. Additionally 4 more heroes in the tavern (2 each). Summing up 60 heroes on the game which is possible. I don't know of course if there are some limitations to the towns that can be placed on map, etc...
4. It's been too long since I last played dungeon, so this one needs testing ...
5. Correct. Tried the following:
Brissa - Level 67 with Expert Haste carrying Archangels, Sprites, Silver Pegasi and Phoenixes with 2 bonus artifacts summing up to +3 Speed. After expert Slow, Archangels have 11 speed (on grass) and Phoenixes 12 speed, and then when Expert Haste is casted the Archangels have 27 speed and Phoenixes 30. Silver Pegasi moved from 8 speed to 23 and Sprites from 6 to 21 ( ).
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pacifist
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posted April 05, 2006 03:20 PM |
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Well a minotaur can have a second turn , we assume he had a moral bonus of course
For question 5 : the increase can be +20 in the case of a phoenix slowed previously with haste specialist and prayer.
In my case it was on native terrain : speed 22 became 11 after expert slow from opponent, then haste + prayer gives 31 speed.
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dimis
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posted April 05, 2006 03:25 PM |
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For question 5 : the increase can be +20 in the case of a phoenix slowed previously with haste specialist and prayer.
I don't think so, because you are going to do that in 2 phases because you need 2 rounds to cast 2 spells.
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angelito
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posted April 05, 2006 03:28 PM |
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@pacifist
Perhaps my english is too bad to understand, but u still donīt get what i want in no.1...
- A creature gained a second turn in the same round even though NO other unit was present (alive...however u wanna call it) on the battlefield.
@dimis
Warmachines "count" as level 2 creatures.
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dimis
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posted April 05, 2006 03:39 PM |
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Quote:
@dimis
Warmachines "count" as level 2 creatures.
So, is it possible for a stack to receive morale bonus when it finishes off the opponent? I know I can make some testing, but I don't want to ...
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pacifist
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posted April 05, 2006 03:39 PM |
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For 1 : Ok I think I understand now
Then the fight is over if there are no other creatures
I can only think of a weird situation : a stack of efreet sultans attacks some basilisks, medusas or scorpicores, they retaliate and paralyse them but are killed by the fire shield (natural not spell) and before the end of fight the stack of efreets gets a morale bonus but they cannot move.
Have to test if it's possible
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Xarfax111
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posted April 05, 2006 06:02 PM |
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2. i think Angelito meant a scholar
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supersonic
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posted April 05, 2006 06:09 PM |
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Quote:
1. I once saw a creature on the battlefield getting moral, even though, no other unit was present, nor any spell active.
2. I once saw a hero gaining a new level, but he dinīt fight. And no, there was no Treasure chest near...neither a Learning stone...neither a Tree of knowledge...neither a Pandoras box....and neither an Altar of sacrifice.
3. There is a rumour, a big leader once had 55 heroes under his command. Their banner all had the same color.
4. It is written in a mystery tome, a Giant deals 50% more damage to Blackdragons, but NOT vice versa.
5. The highest increase of speed a unit can recieve is +18
1. Happened to me once. When you attack with the stack that waited, you can get morale, though that morale movement counts as though you started a new turn (done with dragonflies)
2. Events, battle scholar academy, syrens, cheat codes
3. Possible. 47 towns, all have garrisoned heroes, abd 8 around.
4. Actually it is vice versa. Dragons deal additional damage, but giants don't. Read from val's page.
5. 4 speed arties, (+8), adv. haste cast by terek on 1 level creature(+8), adv. praver (+4)
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Russ
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posted April 05, 2006 06:34 PM |
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5. Terek with advanced haste and prayer. Isn't advanced haste speed +6? I think Terek's bonus on level 1 unit is +3, so the total is +9. I doubt that those arties on a 2-nd hero affect the battle. So, I think +4 is the most you can get from the arties. +4 from advanced prayer and +1 from native terrain.
Grand total: 9 + 4 + 4 + 1 = 18.
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maretti
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posted April 05, 2006 10:19 PM |
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5. Mulich with a phoenix on grass and 4 speed from arts cast prayer, this gives 33, is slowed which gives 16, then he cast haste which brings it on 38, so speed is increased 22 with one spell.
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Solmyr77
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posted April 05, 2006 10:55 PM |
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4. I think your point is, that those creatures only hate their upgraded counterpart, but in a short test(AB 3.2 w/ a RoE map) neither giants nor red drags showed this hatred in their stats or strikes. Maybe giants only hate blackies in 4.0 or my test became a 1.4 test due to the map.
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angelito
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posted April 05, 2006 11:08 PM |
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Mullich (+2) with phoenix (21) on grass (+1) with all speed arties (+4) casts prayer (+4) makes 32, After slow casted, phoenix has 16, after haste casted, phoenix has 37, which makes a difference of 21 in 1 round.
But u know what?...this is NOT the most...
Letīs see who will find this one out...
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maretti
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posted April 05, 2006 11:16 PM |
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Im not used to having phoenixes in my army, thought they had speed 22.
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