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Darkshadow
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Cerise Princess
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posted May 24, 2008 10:07 PM |
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Naadir level 15 after killing 90 Marksmans will rise 15 ghost  cool in neutlar battles funny in real battles. Also they are summoned creatures so the enemy will have to kill only our non-summoned creatures (normal creatures) and you'll lose the combat with ghosts or not... they are like the gated creatures (but less in numbers). Naadir has just pathetic spez imo...
Is it me or do you suck using Naadir?The summoned ghosts aren't the best but they can do little usefull things like clearing retaliation.
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Lexxan
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Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted May 24, 2008 10:44 PM |
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Don't forget that in the endgame Naadir is by far the most powerfull Hero (he starts with Summoning and Dark). Why is Arantir IMBA ? Because he starts with the best starting skills for a Necrmancer (and has the Avatar of Death of course  )
I mean, Mass Slow, Confusion, Weakness, etc and Expert Phoenix are easy to achieve with Naadir/Arantir => Very lethal indeed.
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VokialBG
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Legendary Hero
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posted May 24, 2008 10:53 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 00:03, 25 May 2008.
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Is it me or do you suck using Naadir?The summoned ghosts aren't the best but they can do little usefull things like clearing retaliation.
Yes in neutlar battles, but agains player... you think that he will spend a turn to attack 15 summoned creatures? Level 3? Pff.., also you have to kill full stack of enemy creatures. The only good use here is blocking the enemy shooters. I prefer 3 times RD (in principle) per turn with Kasper, than Naathir. Or smashing howl against the enemy morale and initiative, after all the whole point of Necro is anti-morale... of course maybe we have different styles of playing...
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alcibiades
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
of Gold Dragons
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posted May 24, 2008 11:30 PM |
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I think you write off Naathir too quickly. First off, during creaping, his special is amazing, helping you a lot in the first one or two weeks. And even in final battle, the special may come of use to you, for instance with eating up retaliations (very valuable) and blocking enemy path, essentially working like a boosted last stand (not quite as valuable, though, because Necro no longer depend a lot on ranged power). Still, a good special coupled with excellent starting skill combination (Dark + Summoning = foolproof for Necro) makes him an excellent hero imo. Whether he is the best if probably a matter of taste, but fact is that most of the other heroes start either with a less good speciality or a less good combination of start skills.
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Lexxan
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Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted May 25, 2008 12:26 AM |
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I think you write off Naathir too quickly. First off, during creaping, his special is amazing, helping you a lot in the first one or two weeks. And even in final battle, the special may come of use to you, for instance with eating up retaliations (very valuable) and blocking enemy path, essentially working like a boosted last stand (not quite as valuable, though, because Necro no longer depend a lot on ranged power). Still, a good special coupled with excellent starting skill combination (Dark + Summoning = foolproof for Necro) makes him an excellent hero imo. Whether he is the best if probably a matter of taste, but fact is that most of the other heroes start either with a less good speciality or a less good combination of start skills.
100% agree with Alci
Naadir is wonderfull with Sorcery and Attack.
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zamrai
Adventuring Hero
Moonlight Melody
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posted May 25, 2008 11:33 AM |
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Naadir start with useless skills and stupid ability, can help you only vs neutrals in early game...
Useless skills?! 
Actually, Dark Magic + Summoning Magic are great starting set for Necro because Necro not depends on army anymore, not after nerfed necromancy. His army itself is weak and the only things that save his ass are ---level 5 spells from Dark and Summoning--- and using brain in combat to use them properly.
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Naadir level 15 after killing 90 Marksmans will rise 15 ghost cool in neutlar battles funny in real battles. (...) Naadir has just pathetic spez imo...
How many times it must be written here to some of you understand - Naadir special has tactical meaning. If you call this useless it means you weren't good enough to make use of this ability. Like I've written and Alci has - covering troops (against big units especially) and disabling enemy's shooters by making ghosts of some weak stack standing next to them is HUGE advantage.
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VokialBG
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posted May 25, 2008 11:48 AM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 11:54, 25 May 2008.
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You have to kill enemy stack first (full one), as I said his ability is good in neutral battle vs not very strong enemies in early game its good, agains real army its nothing. Yes you can avoid few retaliations (mostly 1 ) and block the enemy shooters. And the AI will even attack the summoned stack and lost a turn. But come ooon Naathir is nothing more then an average hero... He has his tactical use, but it sucks... believe he is average only because of his summoning and dark (this give him little priority in later game), you cant win with a ghost stack (especially in late game against strong enemy with big stacks and how about a runemage with all his spells and def, you will not be able to summon the ghost after your first turn ) If he win a battle is cuz of the magic not his spec.
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted May 25, 2008 11:53 AM |
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Zoltan can be usefull against RD spammers, summoners etc... but he can't do much against Light Magic (I don't count Resurrection only) and Destructive.
light magic block (especially cleansing) + dark magic spam = pwnage
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VokialBG
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posted May 25, 2008 11:55 AM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 12:03, 25 May 2008.
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light magic block (especially cleansing) + dark magic spam = pwnage
Don't think so, LM caster will need to cast his mass LM's only one time at the beginning of the battle. I agree for cleansing. But Haven for ex. has endless possibilities to clean your spells.
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zamrai
Adventuring Hero
Moonlight Melody
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posted May 25, 2008 12:02 PM |
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Edited by zamrai at 12:04, 25 May 2008.
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@Vokial
U know, I used to think of Naathir's special your way.
But I have been playing Necro a lot recently, testing different strategies to pull out more of his potential.
And Naadir seems the best choice for me, he is not an easy hero because his special is as good as one can use it (some just can't find it useful)
Practice:
Yesterday, with small pack of ghosts, I was able to kill pack of several dragons and get powerful artifact they were defending. And it was 1st week. The only thing I needed was firetraps speel and his special: Dragon comes by to ghosts in the corner -bam!- 3or 4 firetraps explode -dead dragons turn into ghost covering my real ones against the next ones giving me time to set another firetraps. Without Naadir special this tactic wouldn't succeded. And this works the same way all game long.
If you have Course of Netherworld you can kill a big hero's army before they will kill your ghost splitted 1-1-1-1-1 etc.
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted May 25, 2008 12:02 PM |
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Well, I thought Zolatan could block it then and cast mass slow
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Isabel
Known Hero
Dragonblessed
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posted May 26, 2008 02:51 PM |
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I like the ghosts actually. They are not that sucks, you know, even against human player they can block shooters and their incorporeal can let them waste your opponent one more turn.
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Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted May 26, 2008 02:54 PM |
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light magic block (especially cleansing) + dark magic spam = pwnage
Don't think so, LM caster will need to cast his mass LM's only one time at the beginning of the battle. I agree for cleansing. But Haven for ex. has endless possibilities to clean your spells.
You have endless possibilites removing their positive spells too.
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Nebdar
Promising
Supreme Hero
Generation N
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posted May 27, 2008 03:40 PM |
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Edited by Nebdar at 15:41, 27 May 2008.
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I like to play with Lucretia and in future i thry to add this set of skills:
1. Summoning and Dark School of course
2. Defence, for defence against very Mighty faction like Haven that usually is very highly boosted with morale, luck and init
3. Luck, beacause of chance of higher damage output than with Attacka skill
Now when in ToE there is some more spells espacially Vampirism, you can make with here and Vampires a real pure power.
I also where thinking to take light magic for overpowered Divine Vengenance mainly, because it is very high chance that on begining of the combat you will lose some troops(the more the better for you not for your enemy)
LM would be also good for battle against some one who use Dark And Light schools(there is nothing worse then make undead creatures more slower, and without morale bonus, they all can fall down to zombie league for init)
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Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted May 27, 2008 04:07 PM |
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Try stacking vampires with arcane armor and vampirism .But your magic guilds will not give divine vengeance, you will have to get Haven, academy or fortress to get high level light.
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Disturbed-Gnu
Supreme Hero
Pro Bacon Vodka Brewer
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posted May 27, 2008 04:24 PM |
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I think its naadir bacause of the raise dead spell, and ofcourse the soulhunter ability! Very cool when your high leveled!
But if i may choose a campaign hero/map editor map hero I would pick Markal as the best necro hero! He's army is very easy to raise! Because of his special ability!
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Nebdar
Promising
Supreme Hero
Generation N
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posted May 27, 2008 04:46 PM |
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Try stacking vampires with arcane armor and vampirism .But your magic guilds will not give divine vengeance, you will have to get Haven, academy or fortress to get high level light.
or Sylvan Town
I often play on Big Maps where there are always an extra Town to capture  (also when an Memory Mentor is available i can change my skills)
I would choose LM at start if there is an Haste, cleansing,Endurence,Rightoues Might for Mass effect ability
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted May 27, 2008 05:14 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 17:14, 27 May 2008.
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Naadir is the best. Definately.
And I like Raven too.
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arxur
Adventuring Hero
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posted May 27, 2008 06:28 PM |
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Well, in HRS we will find out soon who is the best necro hero...
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Darkshadow
Legendary Hero
Cerise Princess
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posted May 27, 2008 06:28 PM |
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Well, in HRS we will find out soon who is the best necro hero...
You can't compare them by that way.Well if you really want to, take arantir into the fight and see who wins...
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